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    next step in the m4/3 war?

    Hi guys, after the presentation of the new Olympus E-PL1, that looks like answer to GF1, what will be the next move from Panasonic?I think a new sharper EVF for GF1, perhaps... What's you opinion?

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    I think the GF1 will do fine - hopefully Panasonic will be able to release a new high res EVF which will fit the GF1 interface.

    Next up from Panasonic, I expect a high spec replacement for the G1... hopefully without the faux DSLR hump, and including the rumoured new sensor with electronic shutter - and perhaps improved CDAF performance for action photography.

    That would really heat up the competition for entry level DSLRs... an area I think Olympus have been more careful to avoid up to now.

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    nothing wrong with the existing bodies, I'd appreciate some lenses in the line up

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    some prime lenses, something wide (and no 14mm is not wide enough thanks, what is the point of something already covered well by the standard zoom?) something telephoto (100mm would be nice, could remain compact) with OIS and snappy AF
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    the complete lack of this in their lineup makes me wonder if the system somehow makes AF motors unable to operate effectively

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    nothing wrong with the existing bodies, I'd appreciate some lenses in the line up

    <harpOn>
    some prime lenses, something wide (and no 14mm is not wide enough thanks, what is the point of something already covered well by the standard zoom?) something telephoto (100mm would be nice, could remain compact) with OIS and snappy AF
    </harpOn>

    the complete lack of this in their lineup makes me wonder if the system somehow makes AF motors unable to operate effectively

    I'll second that! Fast (aperture wise and focus wise) wide (real wide) primes!

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    The only thing that can tempt me to replace my G1 is a camera with a better sensor, i.e. more dynamic range and less noise. I'm less concerned with the shape of the camera - I like the handling of G1 except maybe the wheel in the grip - as long as it's not too large and heavy.

    I too really want a 10-12mm prime and brighter than f/2.8 please.

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    I think Panasonic is like General Motors - "take what we give you & like it".
    Panasonic G1 & GF1 bodies, Panasonic 14-45, 45-200mm, various Minolta, Pentax, Canon FD, M39 & M42 mount lenses.

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Evers View Post
    I think Panasonic is like General Motors - "take what we give you & like it".
    its a hard call ... i'd have lumped Oly into that category first these days (recalling that Oly gave us the Pen and the OM years ago). The Panasonic is clearly so much what everyone had been begging makers for years ago, and they did (after all) allow the use of legacy lenses with shooting with lens off (which they didn't have to provide).

    To me it is interesting how often I hear the old tune of "it can't be done" when asking for a 12 or 9mm lens for micro 4/3 ... if it was in a package such as the existing Olympus 17mm and even f2.8 I'm sure it would sell the makers socks off

    but no ... no ... that's just not possible

    yawn; why not?

    have these dopes forgotten that cameras like the Ricoh GR were popular because they had wider than standard lenses and that part of the appeal of the DP1 was that it too had wider than commonly available lenses??

    sheesh, are the marketing department even photographically oriented or is the problem that the "risk analysis team" is in complete fear?

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Evers View Post
    I think Panasonic is like General Motors - "take what we give you & like it".
    You know where that ended GM?

    [Panasonic can not afford that, at least for now..]

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    You know where that ended GM?
    In a little less hot water than Toyota these days.

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    Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    In a little less hot water than Toyota these days.
    Ohh? I haven't heard anything about them so far ... is a USA thing only?

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    Hi



    Ohh? I haven't heard anything about them so far ... is a USA thing only?
    Just try googling Toyota Recall . . . it's worse than the M8 launch

    Just this guy you know

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    Hi



    Ohh? I haven't heard anything about them so far ... is a USA thing only?
    They've had to stop selling cars (at least 8 models) until they get the gas pedal problem squared away and now there is a problem with the brakes on the 2010 Prius models.

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    I have been eagerly waiting sudden acceleration in my Prius.
    Actually any sort of acceleration would be welcomed.
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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    I see ... well that's all down to ****ty manufacture detail I'd say (perhaps they've been learning from GM?) rather than unimaginative production (the Prius leaves me cold anyway).

    Bob ... stab on the brakes ... assuming they work that's also accelleration (just in the other direction)

    heh

    normal transmission is now resumed

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post

    normal transmission is now resumed
    OK then, I want a new version of the LC1/Diglux 2 body with:

    1)current EVF technology
    2)same bounce flash
    3)interchangeable lenses - even though the original was stellar but for wrong sensor size
    4)fast mid range zoom in addition to the requested fast primes

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    OK then, I want a new version of the LC1/Diglux 2 body with:

    1)current EVF technology
    2)same bounce flash
    3)interchangeable lenses - even though the original was stellar but for wrong sensor size
    4)fast mid range zoom in addition to the requested fast primes
    noted ... I'll pass it along to one of the Joulu Tontu I know (being here in Finland) we'll see what comes of it ... just out of interest, have you been naughty? None the matter Santa knows

    ohh ... nearly forgot ... did you want that in a 4/3 sensor?

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    Hi
    ohh ... nearly forgot ... did you want that in a 4/3 sensor?
    Yes, I want the that body style with EVF on the left (flat no hump), bouce flash in the center, for micro 4/3. Articulating LCD desired as well.

    somehow I get the feeling the LX3 could be revamped as a fixed lens with 4/3 sensor made as small as possible.....but I haven't paid as much attention to the smaller sensor cams for a while so I could be misguided.

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    Ok, so to get this straight you want a fixed lens camera with interchangeable lenses in a 4/3 body ... with no hump, but bounce flash in the middle

    I'll get them onto it

    will you be wearing eye glasses with this?

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    Ok ... the Tontu just asked me how high it should bounce and why you don't want a wrist strap so you don't drop it in the first place...

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    Ok, so to get this straight you want a fixed lens camera with interchangeable lenses in a 4/3 body ... with no hump, but bounce flash in the middle

    I'll get them onto it

    will you be wearing eye glasses with this?
    No.....sorry if I'm not being clear! I want an interchangeable lens camera built like the old camera. I was simply noting the features of that camera that I liked.

    My comments about the LX3 are independent.

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    Ok ... the Tontu just asked me how high it should bounce and why you don't want a wrist strap so you don't drop it in the first place...
    Yes and tell Tontu I want a thinner L1 style strong body, to be able to carry heavier lenses as well.
    - Artculating screen.
    - Soft electronic shutter.
    - Dedicated MF magnification button.
    - New high ISO sensor
    - Fast primes
    - High reaching flash

    In case they forgot any of these wishes try to get them implemented before the 18th.

    And from Olympus same sort of body, or E-330 style, and specifications but with IS for longer MF lenses.

    Thank you.
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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    The pseudo DSLR looks brought about by the "hump"- I find it really useful functionally.

    I would rather have that than the martian design X1 pop up.

    The question of "fast primes" (fast aperture as well as fast focusing) still remains.

    Slow zooms make me :sleep006:

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    I haven't minded the pseudo DSLR look really--the EVF has been in the place I'm used to, the grip works very well for me. I have to check out the 'martian design X1 pop up' though LOL.

    I think the GF1 is perhaps a more attractive design (but that rather comes from our past associations with particular camera designs I think), but it doesn't work quite as well ergonomically for me--the grip is less, the EVF is an addon (though mine is always on), no tilt LCD. As a plus--I like the tiltability of the EVF.

    That being said--I'd really like more of an L1 design, but likely still won't upgrade for awhile unless there are actual upgrades that affect my shooting/IQ fairly substantially.

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    I like everything about my G1/GH1 in terms of form factor. The only changes I'd really want are:

    1. Better selection of fast primes in a wide range of FLs to complement the 20/1.7
    2. Improves sensor with increased dynamic range and reduced noise
    3. Shutter-less operation that would allow using an even wider range of non-standard lenses (2/3" high megapixel video lenses for example).

    I really like the hump on the camera to house the EVF, microphone, and flash. Keep the humpless design for the GF1/EP-x crowd. I also like the grip - it's very handy for tall people with long fingers.

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    OK then, I want a new version of the LC1/Diglux 2 body with:

    1)current EVF technology
    2)same bounce flash
    3)interchangeable lenses - even though the original was stellar but for wrong sensor size
    ...
    Yer singin' my tune. All about the body: start here:


    - Fit it with the G1 EVF
    - use the current or an improved 12Mpixel sensor with an mFT lens mount
    - Add the articulated LCD
    - Add the face detect AF, viewfinder overlays and other niceties
    - If you add the GH1's HD recording, also add a dedicated microphone jack in and sync signal.
    - Build it of magnesium.
    - weather seal it.
    - Keep the same battery as G1/GH1/GF1.

    Oh yes, long as we're doing the wish-list thing ...

    - add wireless remote shutter operation (front and rear receivers if IR)
    - add Olympus-dedicated wireless flash control
    - add the ability to turn off pre-flash TTL with the internal flash unit

    The only lens I'll need beyond what's shipping or announced as coming soon already is a fast 70-80 mm OIS lens. It's hard to believe that no 70mm f/2 lens has been offered as yet for either FourThirds or Micro-FourThirds: it's one of the most useful tele focal lengths imaginable for the format. I bought the ZD 50/2 Macro and use it with the EC14 on my SLRs, and have the Olympus Pen F 70/2 for the G1, because this field of view in a compact yet fast lens is so important to me.

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    The G1 and GH1 are very good and revolutionary ( exept in design ) cameras and I must admit they are ergonomicly quiet nice, except the space for your fingers around the grip, especially with longer nails.
    And the space for the knobs is a little small because of the lovely swivel LCD.
    As long the hump is functional, to house the EVF and flash, it doesn't bother me, but a somehow straighter design, I hope for.

    Michiel

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    Re: next step in the m4/3 war?

    Here is my guess-

    1. Smoothed out body that will be closer to the L1, with built-in EVF. It might still have a hump and grip, but more streamlined (and better looking.)

    2. Comparable video features to the GF1, probably the same sensor too but new Venus engine or whatever.

    3. Roughly same price as original G1 MSRP.

    So basically, a much better looking (not that I think the G1 is ugly) G1 with video. Seriously, I think that's it, and it will sell very well and fit right alongside GF1 and GH1. Any more features (such as better video, newfangled shutterless sensor, etc.) and it will overlap with other Panasonic cameras (which won't be updated for a little while.)

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