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    Oly E-P2 Test

    The British Journal of Photography (BJP) has published a test report by Edmond Terakopian, award winning photojournalist of the Olympus E-P2 with several lenses. The report is in the current issue of BJP.

    The lenses tested on assignment with the E-P2 body are: Leica 35mm Summicron, Olympus 17mm pancake, Olympus 14-42mm, Leica designed Panasonic 45mm F2.8 Macro at ISO500. The pictures look stunning at the sizes printed.

    The E-P2 earned his high praise and his only real gripe was that RAW processing in some 3rd party converters struggle with both these and RAW files from the Panasonic G series due to the embedded lens correction data in the exif data.

    He used Exif software "facefullof bees" to strip out this data so that he could use his favourite unspecifed converter. He did mention though that the JPEG's from this camera are also superb.

    He particularly liked the EVF viewfinder attachment, anti-dust system and in camera stabilisation so that any lens fitted is also stabilised.
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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    Dave

    just as an aside - I am the "facefullofbees". I was put in touch with Edmond via our very own Jonoslack.... so apparently this whole social networking thing works :-)

    Indeed it was Edmond who encouraged me to make my simple Applescript based convertor available to the world at large.

    Oh and I think you will find that Edmond is an Aperture user, and indeed seems to have been a beta tester

    cheers

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    its nice to read, but I suspect that either Oly is better represented in the UK than Panasonic is or many jurno's are just plain dumb. Quite a few things mentioned in that article were already in place on the G1 (which sells for quite a bit less than the E-P2)

    oh well ... :-)

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    its nice to read, but I suspect that either Oly is better represented in the UK than Panasonic is or many jurno's are just plain dumb. Quite a few things mentioned in that article were already in place on the G1 (which sells for quite a bit less than the E-P2)

    oh well ... :-)
    Well, but the G1 does not come even close to the EP2 in so many areas

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Well, but the G1 does not come even close to the EP2 in so many areas
    Just as the E-P2 does not come even close to the G1 in so many areas. :sleep006:

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    yup..... E-P2 is nowhere nearly as ugly and plastic feeling as the G1 :-)

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    Come on kids! No fighting!

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    Difficult to compare two cameras that are aimed at completely different audiences. Both do their job very well. Apples and oranges.

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    In my best scouse accent...

    Eh Eh... Carm down, carm down!

    What's one award winning photojournalist's opinion anyway?

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    Quote Originally Posted by lattiboy View Post
    Come on kids! No fighting!
    My apologies, I wish I hadn't written that response. My hope was that responding to the first infantile and pointless post with an equally infantile and pointless post would nip that tangent in the bud. Color me equal shades of naive and optimistic.

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    I read this before and saw the "pointless and infantile" quotes and decided to leave it go and see if got out of hand....recognizing "pointless and infantile" is the first step towards recovery

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    hmmm... whatever happened to gentle joshing

    infantile and pointless are pretty extreme descriptions of mild and good humored banter

    lighten up everybody....we are all supposed to be friends here

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    somebody point out the pointless and infantile quote.... I am not seeing anything like that

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    unless of course its mine... that was made with a smiley

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    and if it was psomu's comment then you are all way too sensitive

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    Kevin, if we're all quiet, will you keep going?

    Cheers

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    more than likely..

    I actually like pointless and infantile sometimes.... its usually what makes me smile.... up to the point that somebody calls it pointless and infantile... then I get angry that someone is spoiling my fun

    peace out...

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    Quote Originally Posted by kevinparis View Post
    ...pointless and infantile...pointless and infantile
    Ah, now I remember....I must order Jono's book before it's too late for the donation to work....
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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    I didn't expect this thread to start this sort of controversy.
    I really didn't realise that I was entering the Pana G1 forum either. Ah well, now I know. A bit like mentioning Sony on the Nikon forum I suppose.
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    Just to change the subject back to things E-P2, etc.

    If you are an Aperture 3.0 user with a PEN digital you can convert the .ORF files to .DNG and work with them in Aperture 3.0. There are a few significant assumptions;

    1. You have the very latest ACR plug-in on your Mac and the most recent version of Adobe Digital Negative Converter. In my case I have PhotoShop CS4 up to date on my Mac. Although PhotoShop is never invoked here - the Converter needs access to the lastest and greatest ACR plug-in.

    2. Open Adobe DNG Convert app and go to Menu item 4 and click Change Preferences, top item is Compatibility and this MUST be set Custom which ensures linear (demosaiced) is turned-off. This step is critical.

    The Adobe app will merrily convert all the .orf files to .DNG which can be imported directly into Aperture. I always ensure that I embed the original raw file for the future when Apple raw support the camera images I am converting to DNG. Of course this assumes you are willing to work with .DNG files. You can also automate or script this process for convenience purposes.

    Cheers, Terry.

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    dave

    don't worry... i think nobody was harmed.... still dont quite understand where it all went wrong :-)

    terryc

    For those of us with aversion to DNG or haven't kept up to date with Adobe, my little routine converts if slowly a copy of your original .orf to something Aperture 2 and 3 recognises.

    Call me old fashioned... but something about DNG makes me feel uncomfortable

    Just wish Apple would sort themselves out on the support and I could get on with using the best all in one app out there for photographers....


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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    I really didn't realise that I was entering the Pana G1 forum either.
    At the risk of derailing this thread I don't think anyone was making this G1 centric. I think the conversation went astray with Peter's comment about the E-P2 vs. the G1 even with a smile face.

    All of the m4/3 cameras are excellent and different ones will appeal to different users. There is not a compelling killer feature on any of the cameras to say it stands head and shoulders above the others.

    For instance some people think the G1 is ugly and the E-P1/2 are beautiful and for others it is exactly the opposite
    I could make a whole list of thingsl like this.

    We should all be thrilled that there is a new format that is thriving with the 6th body and 8 lenses in the stores and a bunch more on the way.

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    >Call me old fashioned... but something about DNG makes me feel uncomfortable

    What about it? Better to have endless incompatible raw formats? That is where DNG comes from.
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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    actually don't think the conversation ever went astray until people tried to stop a fight that wasn't there

    all m4/3 cameras take the same lenses and for 99% of the world the same photos. any differences between them come down to aesthetics and user interface.

    As a qualified industrial designer I reserve my right to say that the G1 to me is ugly.... but then again i also think the leica m8 and 9 are flawed design wise....why else would you have to buy grips and Thumbsups before you feel comfortable using them

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    Uwe

    maybe I am behind the times... but from what i understand DNG is just a wrapper for a RAW file ... if an app such as Aperture didnt understand the underlying RAW then wrapping it in DNG wouldn't make any difference

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    actually it seems like a DNG is not a RAW file at all.... though i understand you can keep a copy of the original RAW as part of the wrapper

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital...e_(file_format)

    The process of DNG conversion involves extracting raw image data from the source file and assembling it according to the DNG specification into the required TIFF format. This optionally involves compressing it. Metadata as defined in the DNG specification is also put into that TIFF assembly. Some of this metadata is based on the characteristics of the camera, and especially of its sensor. Other metadata may be image-dependent or camera-setting dependent. So a DNG converter must have knowledge of the camera model concerned, and be able to process the source raw image file including key metadata. Optionally a JPEG preview is obtained and added. Finally, all of this is written as a DNG file.

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    >actually it seems like a DNG is not a RAW file

    Leica raws use DNG.
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    I've never been in a situation where I've experienced incompatibility issues with RAW formats.

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    Just for the record and not wishing to stir things, the on-line version of the EP-2 article can be found at http://www.bjp-online.com/public/sho...ml?page=873395 I am not too sure if you have to be a subscribing member to enter this site but it could be worth a try.

    For the mag bashers I would tend to agree about press reviews in consumer mags. I gave up taking the "Amateur Photographer" years ago because of their reviews which seemed to me to favour brands with the largest ad. spend!

    BJP is aimed at Pro photographers, it is a weekly publication and attracts very little in the way of advertising. I like their reviews but most of all I like the "tests" by working pro photographers, worts and all usually!

    To redress the balance and perhaps placate the Pana G series brigade, this test did mention that the Panasonics are way faster at AF than the E-P2.

    Oh, should I also mention that I am not a 4/3 user so not biased in any direction but I still keep looking....one day I might leave my lump of a full frame DSLR behind....but not yet!
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    Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Well, but the G1 does not come even close to the EP2 in so many areas
    well as the owner of a G1 and seriously wanting to justify the swap to a E-P2 can you iterate a few, cos I can't think of many more than IBIS and perhaps AF with a wider range of Oly lenses.

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    Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    Just for the record and not wishing to stir things
    To redress the balance and perhaps placate the Pana G series brigade, this test did mention that the Panasonics are way faster at AF than the E-P2.
    keeping that statement firmly in mind for this post:

    Oh, should I also mention that I am not a 4/3 user so not biased in any direction but I still keep looking....one day I might leave my lump of a full frame DSLR behind....but not yet!
    certainly, after getting my 45-200 2 days ago I can say that its about twice as slow in racking from 2meters in front of me to infinity in bright sunny snowy days as my Canon EF100-300 USM was. I suspect that this area will be hard to conquer for a while as essentially the AF on a SLR is a parallel processing system not dependent on the same CPU or having any IO bottle necks sharing communications subsystems.

    My 1989 EOS 630 with a 100-300 USM that I bought in 1991 eats it for brekky.

    the IOS on the 45-200 is very nice however (and seems to increase the cameras battery appetite too ;-)

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    Quote Originally Posted by terryc View Post
    Just to change the subject back to things E-P2, etc.

    If you are an Aperture 3.0 user with a PEN digital you can convert the .ORF files to .DNG and work with them in Aperture 3.0. There are a few significant assumptions;

    1. You have the very latest ACR plug-in on your Mac and the most recent version of Adobe Digital Negative Converter. In my case I have PhotoShop CS4 up to date on my Mac. Although PhotoShop is never invoked here - the Converter needs access to the lastest and greatest ACR plug-in.

    2. Open Adobe DNG Convert app and go to Menu item 4 and click Change Preferences, top item is Compatibility and this MUST be set Custom which ensures linear (demosaiced) is turned-off. This step is critical.

    The Adobe app will merrily convert all the .orf files to .DNG which can be imported directly into Aperture. I always ensure that I embed the original raw file for the future when Apple raw support the camera images I am converting to DNG. Of course this assumes you are willing to work with .DNG files. You can also automate or script this process for convenience purposes.

    Cheers, Terry.
    Hi Terry
    My experience of this is that it simply doesn't work with lenses which have lens correction information (i.e. all the m4/3 lenses). The situation changes sometimes. . . and then seems to go back again.
    Kevin's simple action is probably an easier way of going about it at the moment (it works with all lenses).

    all the best

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    Hi Jono,

    I bought Kevin's script - I am not sure I agree telling Aperture that a PEN generated RAW image is an E30 RAW image. That said to each their own. I assume you have tried the DNG conversion with the most recent Adobe Digital Negative Converter and Aperture 3.0?

    I did not post my comments to cause a competition between Kevin's (for sale script) and DNG conversion to Aperture 3.0, etc. but unfortunately it quickly turned into that. Consider my post an option until such time as the PEN is supported.

    I understand there can be lens correction issues with the conversion to DNG - for example GF1 images will not convert to DNG files that will work in Aperture 3 and I believe this is related to the linear DNG option (demosaiced) being turned off as required by Aperture.

    As for Kevin's script suffice to say we all are aware how to fudge the header data using a text editor - that trick has been around for awhile (survival for Aperture users). Kevin by his own comments has produced a rudimentary script to automate same - and I applaud that effort.

    I am back to the shadows

    Best regards, Terry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    Just for the record and not wishing to stir things, the on-line version of the EP-2 article can be found at http://www.bjp-online.com/public/sho...ml?page=873395
    Thanks! No online version of the sample photographs though, or am I missing something?

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Campbell View Post
    Ah, now I remember....I must order Jono's book before it's too late for the donation to work....
    . . . erm What book was that Robert?

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    Quote Originally Posted by terryc View Post
    Hi Jono,

    I bought Kevin's script - I am not sure I agree telling Aperture that a PEN generated RAW image is an E30 RAW image. That said to each their own. I assume you have tried the DNG conversion with the most recent Adobe Digital Negative Converter and Aperture 3.0?
    Hi There
    I haven't tried it again - because last time I tried it, it did work for a while, and then it broke again with the next version of DNG converter - Having to keep swapping back and forth is a pain, and as the EP-1 apparently has the same sensor as the E30 I thought it a more convenient and safer way to go.

    all the best

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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

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    Thanks! No online version of the sample photographs though, or am I missing something?
    No, you have to buy the mag to see those........they are not that daft!!
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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    Hi Jono

    I wondered where you have been lurking lately! I have noted your posts over on the Leica M forums. We miss you back at the Sony ranch though.
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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    Hi Jono

    I wondered where you have been lurking lately! I have noted your posts over on the Leica M forums. We miss you back at the Sony ranch though.
    HI Dave
    Thanks for missing me.
    Silly too, I am using the Sony quite a lot these days - still love the files and the camera, no question of any kind of treachery here!

    I'll have to drop in again and stop participating in pointless arguments on LUF (frustrating in the extreme).

    all the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    No, you have to buy the mag to see those........they are not that daft!!
    They ought to put up some crap versions so people buy the mag for a better version!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinparis View Post
    yup..... E-P2 is nowhere nearly as ugly and plastic feeling as the G1 :-)

    K
    I tried the E-P2 again tonight. The focusing is slow and annoying compared to the Panasonics, with the kit lens anyway. Hunt, hunt, back and forth to finally land in-focus. Terribly slow. I point my G1 into a darkened room, bang! It's in-focus without the use of the focus assist light. Since the last software upgrade, it's as quick or faster than my D300. Olympus and Panasonic have obviously taken different roads, as the technology between the two is not (apparently) shared. There is a difference in the 4/3rds consortium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichA View Post
    I tried the E-P2 again tonight. The focusing is slow and annoying compared to the Panasonics, with the kit lens anyway.
    ...
    Olympus and Panasonic have obviously taken different roads, as the technology between the two is not (apparently) shared. There is a difference in the 4/3rds consortium.
    yes, I wonder if its related to the mass of the lens systems which need to be moved and the fact that Panasonic stop the lens to review contrast (aka focus) at a faster rate than Oly?

    However I use myself as a bench mark, if the lens / camera system can focus faster than me then its good enough. I know we've come to rely on really hot AF systems (like the Canon EOS + ring motor USM lens) for stuff which we perhaps couldn't previously have done, but given the lack of precision we see in all AF systems (back focusing is the current flavour, but it goes back decades on rec.photo) perhaps we are trying to push the frontiers further simply with expectations?

    I was watching the downhill skiing on the olympics and noting that (watching on TV and timing myself based on experience) even with 5 frames / sec I could really only get two shots off in a spot and have the skier at the feature I want ... and that is assuming my AF was tracking perfectly.

    Doing an Indy back in 2003 on the Gold Coast I got my best stuff by prefocus on a part of the track and snapping one shot.
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    Re: Oly E-P2 Test

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    . . . erm What book was that Robert?
    I've forgotten...remind me please, Jono
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