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    Sony joins in

    While obviously not a m4/3 it is competition

    Here is the news release:
    http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_ro...ase/56463.html

    Press conference with prototypes happening now at PMA. Pictures to come

    APS-c Exmor R sensor.....this could get interesting.

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    Concepts. That's even earlier than prototypes.

    We have several people at PMA, I'll have them stop by and get some pics/info.

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    Bring it on. Long live the competition.

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    Re: Sony joins in

    Now it may get hard for Nikon and and Canon to stay out of this game.
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    Re: Sony joins in

    Thought I'd just post these links, which contain pictures of the mockup Sonys:

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/1002/10022103sony2010.asp

    In the following link scroll down to find the mirrorless cam mock up:

    http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2010/Sony/

    If you follow the first link and enlarge that picture you can a rectangle on the top of each camera, looks like it could be a pop up flash, so no hot shoe? But then again its just a mock up :P
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    It will resemble the shipping product just as the original Olympus Pen prototype resembles the E-P1 (which is to say not much...)

    Off the top of my head, the only real cameras that looks that minimalistic (I like it myself) are Ricoh ones.

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    Pretty psyched about the A700 replacement. To this day that's my favorite camera of all time.

    The NEX models look..... eh. The backlit sensor could be interesting, but the cameras look very uncomfortable to use. Also, "concepts", so we won't see anything for many, many months or possibly a year.

    Still, pretty awesome everybody is jumping on the EVIL bandwagon.

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    Cute, another useless toy... with out a EVF?*





    * and a pancake focus by wire sponge, w00t,w00t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Y.B.Hudson III View Post
    Cute, another useless toy... with out a EVF?*
    Based on the concept model, there is also no hot shoe. Hopefully the production model will differ in that respect!

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    Re: Sony joins in

    When I posted the original link, the models hadn't been shown. They certainly came across as being further along than they are.

    It still really surprises me that Panasonic is completely silent at PMA. Perhaps they were waiting for Sony to make their announcements? I know that sounds far fetched but so is the silence.

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    >It still really surprises me that Panasonic is completely silent at PMA.

    PMA is not anymore a key event to announce. Panasonic is in a god position because the models by other makers hardly beat their current models.

    I hope the GH2 will have serious video improvements.
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    Re: Sony joins in

    Since these are mockups of only the low end mirror-less cameras, the most interesting thing to me is the size of the mount. It looks like it is the same diameter as Alpha, which could mean fullframe someday.

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    Re: Sony joins in

    Too funny not to share - admitting your vaporware. Read the poster's comments.

    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=34604266

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    I'd like to think that Olympus as it stands is Panasonic's own real competition. Sony, Canon and Nikon has their own DSLR line to push to the professional market and will likely continue to do so, having been so well developed into the industry, it's highly unlikely they will become serious mirror-less systems competitors anytime soon- Generally speaking.

    Sony has it's mirror-less system as more of a novelty project (by my own opinion) for now.

    Canon seems to have a plan with their DSLR full frame cameras however, with Zeiss Compact Primes (for Cinema) coming in canon mount. How this addresses mirror-less systems is in that the technology in itself breeds a viable and professional method of videography. (As we see in GH1, and the speculative GH2). Canon seems to intend to react to this by breeding more professional DSLR's and even more professional lens.

    Nikon, I don't know. Doing nothing?

    Panasonic on the other hand, has vested entirely into the system so a professional camera is more likely to come out from them first, as well as from Olympus since they were the ones that started 4/3. They will be the ones who will compel the other three companies to take the system more seriously. Especially with all the new technology their system can bring into the field.

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    Re: Sony joins in

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post

    APS-c Exmor R sensor.....this could get interesting.
    No EXMOR-R sensor.

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    Re: Sony joins in

    The "FOCUS on Imaging" exhibition opens in two weeks at Birmingham NEC, UK so we shall see what Sony are announcing there.

    Anyone else planning on going? I shall be there on Sunday the 7th March if anyone here wants to meet up and put a Face to the Avatar, so to speak!

    The fighter/bomber will NOT be parked in the expensive car parks by the way!
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    Good news and bad news same time

    While competition is always good, especially when we see Sony (and maybe later Canon) jumping on the mirrorless camera train, I fear that Sony does not take this one too serious (similar as Canon and Nikon will do).

    Bad news is that Sony should do their homework in the Alpha FF DSLR line first I guess and bring the next generation of sensors with higher MP count, no AA filter and better DR. As should the others with their top end models. I have a bit the feeling that all these vendors are getting nervous about the latest success of Pana and Oly with the M43 system and the mirrorless concept of DSLR.

    Nikon - well this company became so strange in their product to market behavior lately for me that I do not understand their real strategy - other than optimizing their business, which is of course a more than valid decision for them. But WRT innovations this company sucks in my opinion.

    On the other side I do have high hopes in Sony, as they might bring some great Carl Zeiss glass for their new system, so that would mean a really interesting competition to Pana and Oly, which already have a lens lineup with great quality.

    End of the day - some other new camera systems to choose from, which makes life not really easier, except one starts slowly ignoring all these hypes. Which I am kind of close to

    PS1: I miss any really great news during PMA 2010 so far and I fear that not much more will come

    PS2: I am actually very happy with my Oly M43 system so far - but never say never again ......
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    Re: Sony joins in

    I don't think any of these (Sony, etc) take the mirrorless cams seriously.

    Nike have already said they don't care about EVF (even if customers want it).

    Good for Panasonic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I don't think any of these (Sony, etc) take the mirrorless cams seriously.

    Nike have already said they don't care about EVF (even if customers want it).

    Good for Panasonic!
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    Do you remember when Olympus brought out the E300 (the first SLR with Live View). Dpreview called it:

    A Solution looking for a Problem

    I'm not sure whether we should care that much if NIKE aren't interested in EVF, but I'm absolutely certain that if it had been Nikon saying that they will have to eat their words . . . . soon!

    (and that's however grumpy I've been about them).

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    Re: Sony joins in

    well if you watch this you can see how really much of a mock up these things are

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRK-DxE4CHA

    watch at 1:06 when he removes the lens... he dosn't press the obvious lens release button, nor does he twist the lens

    and the close up at 1:43 shows no camera/lens connectors and no sort of bayonet mechanism to lock the lens on

    Maybe Sony are doing something clever... or these are really just mockups to get some news coverage

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinparis View Post
    Maybe Sony are doing something clever... or these are really just mockups to get some news coverage

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    Hi Kevin

    Well - I guess they're trying to slow down sales of Olympus and Panasonic by pre-announcing (it was always thus).

    all the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Vivek
    I hope you're flourishing

    Do you remember when Olympus brought out the E300 (the first SLR with Live View). Dpreview called it:

    A Solution looking for a Problem

    I'm not sure whether we should care that much if NIKE aren't interested in EVF, but I'm absolutely certain that if it had been Nikon saying that they will have to eat their words . . . . soon!

    (and that's however grumpy I've been about them).

    all the best
    Hi Jono,

    I get confused by Nike and Nikon logos.

    As for the review outfit, you know how high an esteem I hold them at. :-)

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    Jono, It is Nikon, it seems.

    Mr. Tetsuro Goto: Currently, electronic viewfinders are not terrible. La résolution, la reproduction des couleurs, les dimensions les rendent assez inconfortables. The resolution, color reproduction, dimensions make them very uncomfortable. Les viseurs optiques sont largement supérieurs. The optical viewfinders are much higher. Mais bien sûr, nous étudions très attentivement ce domaine : les viseurs électroniques sont déjà meilleurs que les viseurs optiques dans certains domaines, comme le cadrage en basse lumière. But of course we are studying very carefully the field: electronic viewfinders are already better than optical viewfinders in some areas, like the framing in low light. Dans un futur proche, il est possible que nous intégrions des viseurs électroniques également, mais pour l'instant la qualité n'est pas encore là. In the near future, it is possible that we will also electronic viewfinders, but for now the quality is not there yet.
    From here, googlified version of the French magazine interview:

    http://translate.google.com/translat...ml&sl=fr&tl=en

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Jono, It is Nikon, it seems.

    Ah - Vivek, thank you for the clarification
    The idea of an EVF in a pair of trainers was a little confusing (and anyway, it's been years since I was supple enough to get my eyes to that level).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Vivek
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    Do you remember when Olympus brought out the E300 (the first SLR with Live View). Dpreview called it:

    A Solution looking for a Problem
    Thanks, I looked for this quote. No video without Live View. The Panasonic sensors are called LMOS (Live MOS as I understand) and this was a smart move.
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    Oh my...
    When I've read Sony's announcement and looked at their "prototype" only one thing comes to my mind - SONY is in desperation mode.

    And quiet honestly they should be... They haven't done anything outstanding for a very long time. (R1 back in 2005 was the last Sony camera I looked at)

    I think the days when Sony could strive just by playing it safe and spending their R&D budget on Marketing are gone.

    Canon and Nikon are next... Its time to invest some money to R&D guys. Stop recycling those old AF lenses and digitalizing those old film bodies. Lets see somehting new, lets see innovation.

    New EVF are right there with OVF already, AF will get improved and when curtain shutter will get replaced with electronic one lets say on E-P5 model, thats when Canikon will start to get worried (but it might be too late...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    The Panasonic sensors are called LMOS (Live MOS as I understand) and this was a smart move.

    They are NMOS sensors (a variant of CMOS sensors). Olympus started to call them "Live MOS". The switch occurred after Kodak ditched Olympus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photomorgana View Post
    New EVF are right there with OVF already, AF will get improved and when curtain shutter will get replaced with electronic one lets say on E-P5 model, thats when Canikon will start to get worried (but it might be too late...

    It is already late..

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    Re: Sony joins in

    The question I have is, given their residency on the Alpha system, will we see Zeiss lenses on the new mirrorless Sony platform? Modern Contax G anyone?

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    I hope so, Chad. For both our sakes, anyway, being the Zeiss fanatics that we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    The question I have is, given their residency on the Alpha system, will we see Zeiss lenses on the new mirrorless Sony platform? Modern Contax G anyone?
    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    I hope so, Chad. For both our sakes, anyway, being the Zeiss fanatics that we are.
    From DPreview:
    In a wide-ranging interview, Mr Imamura also told us that the company’s relationship with Carl Zeiss will extend to lenses designed for the mirrorless interchangeable lens camera, unveiled at this year’s PMA.

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    Re: Sony joins in

    Also I would hope for an adapter to add Leica M - lenses to the body. Full manual for sure, but with live view and a hopefully very good view finder (with 100%-mode) focussing should not be a problem. But of course Zeiss glass is very welcome :-)

    Andreas

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    It still really surprises me that Panasonic is completely silent at PMA. Perhaps they were waiting for Sony to make their announcements? I know that sounds far fetched but so is the silence.
    Panasonic has at least one teaser that they will be announcing new cameras at Focus on Imaging in early March. Perhaps they are taking a cue from Apple, who always manage to get a lot of attention while avoiding CES to make their own announcements separate from the fray.

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