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    Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    I borrowed some L pro Canon glass to play with, so I tested it against the GH1 and its Sunday best.
    Both cameras at base 100 ISO, fast shutter (sun!snow!), handheld from ca 25m from the focus plane, several shots taken and the best picked, LR 2.6 raw no tweaking. My usual garden view which is fairly challenging: sun and snow and contrasts. Focus on the double red-yellow swing. Crops from GH1 are 100% 1600 pixels wide, the 5Dm2 got a preferred treatment by downsampling from 21MP to the same crop (ca 2:1).
    Here I compared wide/fast glass. 5Dm2 sported: 24mm/1.4L II and 24-70/2.8, GH1 wore Schneider Kreuznach 10mm/f1.8 c-mount , lumix 7-14 and lumix 14-45. All glass at/around 24mm FF or equivalent , wide open and then slightly closed down. You can read pix descriptions with mouse covering and EXIFs are there too.
    Next I'll test around normal f-lengths (50mm FF) and finally a slight tele.

    From left-right and then top-down:
    1) full view 24mm FF 2) GH1+SK 10/f1.8 3) GH1 + SK 10/f2.8 4) GH1 + lumix vario 7-14 at 12mm/f4
    5) GH1 + lumix vario 14-45 at 14mm/f3.5
    6)5Dm2 + 24-70/2.8 at 24mm/f2.8 7) 5Dm2 + 24-70 at 24mm/f6.3 8) 5Dm2 + 24/f1.4 at f1.4 9) 5Dm2 + 24mm/f1.4 at f 2.8
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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    kind of non test.... GH1 or indeed any micro 4/3 camera will take great pictures... but the 5D Mk2 will be capable of taking even better pictures IQ wise. I know.. I own a e-p1 a 510 and a 5d Mk2 - the differnce comes out not in these sort of shots - but in areas where low light and DOF are more of a factor

    just my opinion

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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    My view of the above (don't read if you don't want to get prejudiced before reaching own conclusions):
    -better 12MP with good sharpness than 21MP with worse one, especially when not printing billboards or going to 6400ISO.
    In other words GH1 and its glass performs surprisingly good compared to full frame "semi-pro" Canon 5Dm2 and the pro line of best L lenses (here the wide ones).
    My special disappointment is the 1600$ 24mm/f1.4 LII USM when wide open at 1.4. I just could not get it focused at the double red-yellow swing. 5Dm2 has a known problem with focusing, only the center cross mark is reliable, so I used it exlusively. Never mind, several tries and still very soft. Even worse, there seems to be no other plane of focus before or behind the swing. Is the flagship lens simply so soft wide open at f 1.4? I prefer to think my unscientific method failed somewhere. See the attached 100% BEST crop though...The 24/1.4 gets sharp in my test at f2.8, same as the vintage Schneider Kreuznach Cinegon 10mm/f1.8 which is several times smaller and cheaper, and after cropping the vignetting out...(SK is soft wide open too at f1.8). The 24-70 L glass is sharp from f.2.8 wide open but so is the amazing 7-14 lumix vario and...kit 14-45--which is the winner to me given the price and size.
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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    Quote Originally Posted by kevinparis View Post
    kind of non test.... GH1 or indeed any micro 4/3 camera will take great pictures... but the 5D Mk2 will be capable of taking even better pictures IQ wise. I know.. I own a e-p1 a 510 and a 5d Mk2 - the differnce comes out not in these sort of shots - but in areas where low light and DOF are more of a factor

    just my opinion

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    Yes, it is a non-test of 3200ISO and higher and shallow DOF. Only real pros go to such dark places and like to blur their backgrounds to hide the surroundings . Us mere mortals like to see clearly what's in the pictures. I know it's crass...

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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    I have a GF1 with 7-14 and 14-45 lenses. I also have the 5DII with a 28-70mm and 17-40mm. Although GF1 is an exceptionally good camera, and so are the 14-45mm lens, and especially the 7-14mm, for critical work I take the 5DII with me, especially for high ISO, like in museums etc.

    But because of its smaller size and weight, I think 80% of the time I carry rhe GF1 setup with me.

    These are very different systems for comparison.
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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    Quote Originally Posted by nugat View Post
    My special disappointment is the 1600$ 24mm/f1.4 LII USM when wide open at 1.4. I just could not get it focused at the double red-yellow swing. 5Dm2 has a known problem with focusing, only the center cross mark is reliable, so I used it exlusively.
    Regardless of the AF prowess (or the lack thereof) of 5DII, why would you shoot landscape with a 24/1.4 at f/1.4?

    Which system lens for m4/3rds offer an f/1.4 lens and would it focus on such an object, reliably within a reasonable time period? I would not think so.

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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    OMG... i think vivek and I agree :-)... you know i'm kidding vivek

    The point of a 24/1.4 isn't to take landscapes. But if you are a photojournalist that ability might get you the shot that gets you paid. Horses for courses

    I am not a real pro... not even a fake pro... but i do recognise that the full frame of the 5D offers me an alternative set of opportunities that I cant get with current lenses on 4/3... whether one is better is entirely down to your own judgement

    here is the same lens - OM 24/2 on the 4/3 and the Canon - each is in my mind good - but i could not have got the canon shot on the Ep-1 and probably vice versa.




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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    I think it goes without saying that they are very different cameras, with different advantages. And that glass has a big impact on the output. If you are really in the market for these cameras, this sort of testing is not that useful.

    But I find these comparisons interesting, especially since OP included many different lenses on the GH1. Maybe moreso because there's a SK 10mm available locally to me for a relative bargain. (I don't think I want it due to too much crop.)

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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    You read my mind, Kevin! One way to take care of any AF problems!

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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Regardless of the AF prowess (or the lack thereof) of 5DII, why would you shoot landscape with a 24/1.4 at f/1.4?

    Which system lens for m4/3rds offer an f/1.4 lens and would it focus on such an object, reliably within a reasonable time period? I would not think so.
    Ok, let's see how the 20mm/1.7 panny and 25mm/1.4 luxD behave wide open in comparison-top row the two pics on the left (from the same distance of 25m). Unfortunately the sun came out and the shutter 1/4000s on GH1 was not enough for the snow (I had no gray filter). Next-top row the two pix on the right- both lenses slightly closed down (f4). And the Canon equivalent of 50mm/f.1.4 wide open-middle row and at 2.8-bottom row. (Don't know why the site software places the pictures that way...) How is that for sharpness wide open in the focal plane? The 5Dm2 still draws the premiun from downsampling the crops. Is it too much to expect from a 1600$ lens (24mm/f.1.4) to be sharp in the focal plane? Again the 20mm/1.7 panny costs as much as the 50mm/f.1.4 canon. One does it, the other does not.
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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    oh one other thing when doing these sort of comparisons is to remember that the DOF will be different for equivalent focal lenghts at the same f stop - eg a 17mm at f2.8 on a ep-1 will have more DOF than a 35mm at f2.8 on a FF camera

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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    Quote Originally Posted by kevinparis View Post
    oh one other thing when doing these sort of comparisons is to remember that the DOF will be different for equivalent focal lenghts at the same f stop - eg a 17mm at f2.8 on a ep-1 will have more DOF than a 35mm at f2.8 on a FF camera

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    And?
    We are talking sharpness in focus plane, not DOF.
    Anyway, from the 25 meters I shot the DOF extends from 5.36 meters and 9.16 meters to infinity respectively for the the two examples above.

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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    think you need
    1) to check you DOF calculations... according to dof master canon 5d 50/1.4 goes from 17m to 43m, and 4/3 25/1.4 goes from 13.5 to 164m - certainly never to infinity...

    2) realise that the canon and indeed nikon an olympus OM 50/1.4 lenses were made for bragging rights and to offer the brightest view for manual focussing in the view finder... they are all notoriously soft wide open... especially hightlighted at the distances you are shooting at.

    I did note that the Canon at 2.8 was in the same ballpark as the panaleica at 1.4 which kinda bears out my ideas... plus the canon still seemed to me to have a greater 3 dimensionality.


    I am not trying to put you down... i know the 4/3 cameras produce great results... but no matter which way you cut it a canon full frame used correctly in a real world situation is capable of producing a superior result.

    If it wasn't the case most photographers who depend on their tools for a living would be using 4/3... but oddly they aren't

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinparis View Post
    think you need

    I am not trying to put you down... i know the 4/3 cameras produce great results... but no matter which way you cut it a canon full frame used correctly in a real world situation is capable of producing a superior result.

    If it wasn't the case most photographers who depend on their tools for a living would be using 4/3... but oddly they aren't

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    What he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinparis View Post
    think you need
    1) to check you DOF calculations... according to dof master canon 5d 50/1.4 goes from 17m to 43m, and 4/3 25/1.4 goes from 13.5 to 164m - certainly never to infinity...

    2) realise that the canon and indeed nikon an olympus OM 50/1.4 lenses were made for bragging rights and to offer the brightest view for manual focussing in the view finder... they are all notoriously soft wide open... especially hightlighted at the distances you are shooting at.

    I did note that the Canon at 2.8 was in the same ballpark as the panaleica at 1.4 which kinda bears out my ideas... plus the canon still seemed to me to have a greater 3 dimensionality.


    I am not trying to put you down... i know the 4/3 cameras produce great results... but no matter which way you cut it a canon full frame used correctly in a real world situation is capable of producing a superior result.

    If it wasn't the case most photographers who depend on their tools for a living would be using 4/3... but oddly they aren't

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    My figures were for the lenses you brought in, or just as it's written "examples above" (see below). I don't feel put down. We are talking numbers, math, sums. Cannot dispute facts, can one...?
    I use Leica, Canon, 4/3 and compacts. Leica is not soft wide open-at a price. Horses for courses.


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    oh one other thing when doing these sort of comparisons is to remember that the DOF will be different for equivalent focal lenghts at the same f stop - eg a 17mm at f2.8 on a ep-1 will have more DOF than a 35mm at f2.8 on a FF camera

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    And?
    We are talking sharpness in focus plane, not DOF.
    Anyway, from the 25 meters I shot the DOF extends from 5.36 meters and 9.16 meters to infinity respectively for the the two examples above.
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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1--short tele

    Here we go: Russian 50$ 85mm/f2 Jupiter and Lumix Vario 45-200 on the GH1 and the 1800$ Canon 70-200/f2.8 L. This time Canon does it. Beauty of a lens.
    Top row Jupiter, middle and first of bottom the 45-200 Lumix, th elast three Canon.
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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    I am sorry, but I also have to take the side of Kevin and Vivek here. Another thing to note here is that the 24/1.4 you are talking about is covering double the image area -- the larger the image circle and the faster the lens, the more difficult it is to design. This is why you don't see f/1.4 medium format lenses, or even f/4 large format lenses. The 24mm f/1.4L is an old lens (it was first released in the 80s), and as Kevin mentioned it was designed with photojournalists in mind. Speed was a priority, not absolute resolution.

    BUT

    You may want to check the shot of the 50mm f/1.4 Canon again. At f/1.4 it is not focused on the swing set -- take a look at the barn directly behind the swing-set...it is sharper. The lens is focused behind the swing-set, so the swing-set looks soft because it is out of focus. You might try focusing in live view and see if you get similar results.
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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    I am sorry, but I also have to take the side of Kevin and Vivek here. Another thing to note here is that the 24/1.4 you are talking about is covering double the image area -- the larger the image circle and the faster the lens, the more difficult it is to design. This is why you don't see f/1.4 medium format lenses, or even f/4 large format lenses. The 24mm f/1.4L is an old lens (it was first released in the 80s), and as Kevin mentioned it was designed with photojournalists in mind. Speed was a priority, not absolute resolution.

    BUT

    You may want to check the shot of the 50mm f/1.4 Canon again. At f/1.4 it is not focused on the swing set -- take a look at the barn directly behind the swing-set...it is sharper. The lens is focused behind the swing-set, so the swing-set looks soft because it is out of focus. You might try focusing in live view and see if you get similar results.
    Don't be sorry, I'm not. I am not sure what side they take? The side of personal preferences? Then they cannot be wrong. The 24/f1.4 LII I show here is the new version-- Lll not l. The purpose of redesign was to dramatically improve performance wide open. As I said (from everyday experience) Leica fast glass is never soft wide open (except old Noctilux f1). All Leica glass is full frame, third the size and only three times the price (hi hi). If I was a photojournalist covering a battle in Afghanistan I'd like to see the glint in the eye of the taliban sniper from far away...when printing big, not on the spot there...

    And one last thing. Let's not forget it's a semi-pro (some say pro) full frame 21 MP camera with the best pro glass against a quarter-size-sensor 12MP enthusiast small gadgetry.
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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    BUT

    You may want to check the shot of the 50mm f/1.4 Canon again. At f/1.4 it is not focused on the swing set -- take a look at the barn directly behind the swing-set...it is sharper. The lens is focused behind the swing-set, so the swing-set looks soft because it is out of focus. You might try focusing in live view and see if you get similar results.
    You are right, the barn seems more in focus than the swing. I took several pics always focusing with the central main target on the swing. The barn is some 20 meters behind but not even on the line of sight! Darn, that 5Dm2 focusing mechanism is really bad for such an expensive toy. Strangely the seemingly ulterior contrast detect on GH1 almost never fails that badly.

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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    Nugat

    your tests are interesting, but (forgive me if I did not spot this particular point in the above) I wonder if you are getting a few things confused

    for instance you write:

    Is it too much to expect from a 1600$ lens (24mm/f.1.4) to be sharp in the focal plane? Again the 20mm/1.7 panny costs as much as the 50mm/f.1.4 canon. One does it, the other does not.
    firstly I would say yes, it is too much to expect that a 24mm f1.4 is sharp all over the focal plane, expecially wide open. That is not the objective of the lens. My ultrabright lenses are not sharp wide open, but when stopped down to 2.8 are far sharper than the same focal lengths which are native 2.8 wide open.

    Next I notice you seem to make shots which do not compare feature size directly. Doing so makes for quite problematic interpretation of the test data, so I prefer to to my testing so that I get the framing of each subject similar. I have (for instance) tried to compare my 10D to my 4x5 camera. On my 4x5 a 90mm is a wide angle lens, but I would not however put a 90mm on the 10D and compare the images. In this test I used a 10D with a EF24 f2.8 and the widest on the 4x5 is a Fujinon 90mm f8. The results are in favor of the 4x5 in many ways.

    Even though the 10D got to record details of only a smaller portion (thus potentially be advantaged) I decided to do this test anyway as I was curious to see how a 5D (which has similar pixel density) would compare to my 4x5.



    Segment from the 10D
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    segment from the 4x5


    Now if I had used a 90mm lens on the 10D I would of course see that the 10D captured more information.

    This is the problem that I had with your test when you used
    Ok, let's see how the 20mm/1.7 panny and 25mm/1.4 luxD
    closer to the mark of your own test I also put a 5DMkii against my G1 in my blog on Bambi vs Godzilla. But my purpose was to compare per pixel detail with the same focal length, I was interested to see what possibility there was for a camera such as a hypothetical 5DMkIII which would have the same pixel density as the G1.

    Lastly I think it is important to remember DoF as everyone has been talking about because at the magnifications you are using to examine your images (100% view of what is essentially 3744 pixels per inch expanded to your monitor of approximately 90 pixels per inch is a x40 magnification). In this situation DoF is a very significant factor. Accuracy of placing the focus zone precisely on the target you are seeking to evaluate will play a major factor. Please remember that DoF is related to the aperture diameter NOT the f stop, so if your focal lengths vary you will need to alter f-stops to match the DoF between comparisons.

    The G1 is outstandingly good a tool for accurate focus placement using its live view, did you do the same for the 5D??

    Lastly if shutter speeds and other such things were not identical and a tripod was not used then the effects of tiny 1/2 pixel radian camera shake will blur the image and be impossibly difficult to determine from focus issues or resolution issues (well, it is a resolution issue, just not a sensor one).

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    There is no point in comparing lenses at other than equivalent apertures. As there is no mFT lens with an equivalent aperture to the 1.4 of the Canon 24mm, there is no point in comparing anything.
    The Canon may be good or not, at 1.4 it is the best out there, and nobody knows if an equivalent Panasonic or whatever lens would be better or worse.

    A second point: downsizing an image (as you have done with the Canon image) usually also lets the image appear less sharp (which cou can counteract with some added sharpening). So the fact that the Canon image appears less sharp initially, does not say much.

    Lastly, you need to keep in mind that all DOF calculations depend on assumed circles of confusion and viewing distances. They are certainly not meant for 100% views on computer screens, iow, if something does not seem perfectly sharp on a cropped view on a screen, it might still be perfectly inside the depth of field.

    So, as much as I love testing (and I also own a 5DII...), this will not get further as to the conclusion that under favourable lighting conditions and if not more than 12 Megapixels are needed, mFT does a perfectly good job at 1/3 of the weight.

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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    GH1 is good but not that good . I think I should know as I own both G1/GH1 + Canon pro bodies + L lenses.
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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    I can perfectly well understand why this sort of, basically not necessary, test is carried out. How can one avoid to? In some way we always compare things to each other. I didn't set anything up when I bought my 5DMkII but you can be sure I in some way compared the images from it to what I got from my G1.

    But, as many already mentioned; you need to focus super carefully, you need a tripod, you need to compare at equivalent aperture values, you need to compare lenses of the same sort (sort of speaking), you need to adjust the shooting distance to get the same framing. If testing the AF you need a target the AF mechanism can lock on to.

    You also need controlled light and exposure all the images correctly (avoid lifting images in PP) and to decide on the goal with the test. Depending on what images you want to capture you should tailor your test in a way matching that.

    Reading this far it is more or less obvious that your test is kinda superfluous.

    I bought the 5DMkII mainly for a documentary project. There was no doubt I got more details and more robust raw files being able of taking some post processing way better than my G1 images do. At the same time there is no doubt the G1 is more practical for my everyday snaps. I also don't mind carrying around less value and weight. Nothing new under the sun there.

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    Initially I planned to answer point by point using as much science as possible to defend my "unscientific" test. But this is of course self-contradictory and self-defeating a task. So I'll answer plainly.
    I tested the 5Dm2 and its lenses for a week on an assignment covering a TV production of a survival type show. I find the system lacking in two areas: focus/sharpness and environmental durability ( cold and wet). Whether it's the lenses or the inadequte AF is secondary to me (although the AF falling reliability in low light is especially defeating the camera's skills here). The final proof is in the pictures: I get more (twice) sharp pictures from my Leica and 4/3 systems. The overall "takers/good" rate is even higher (3-4:1) for the two smaller cameras. Maybe it's the workflow, maybe ergonomics, maybe habit. Canon 5Dm2 is not for me. I am sure it can be great for landscapes, weddings, packshots etc etc. For an impromptu coverage of surprising and fast moving events-no. Even my Leica is better for me here. Next I'll look at the D700 or its successor and te GH2. High ISO low noise is more important to me than megapixels, I can easily rest at 12MP. And fortunately I am not in a hurry. All of the above without prejudice to all those who own, use and love their 5D's.
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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    That is good to hear.

    I thought you own a 5DII and are using it to do these tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugat View Post
    I find the system lacking in two areas: focus/sharpness and environmental durability ( cold and wet).
    first time I brought my G1 in from -25C (I'm in Finland after all) it packed a wobbly and wouldn't play for a while (even after the mist had left). I now ziplock bag it or leave it outside most of the time (bring in the battery).

    So, I can't say my G1 is much better at this sort of abuse :-)

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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

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    canon and indeed nikon an olympus OM 50/1.4 lenses were made for bragging rights and to offer the brightest view for manual focussing in the view finder... they are all notoriously soft wide open
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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    I believe there is no doubt that both combos can produce great images.
    Of course it is much harder to nail focus/hit the focus plane when you have a shallow DOF compared to a larger DOF.
    And you normally would stop lenses further down on larger sensors than you would do on small sensors.

    My wife owns the gh1 and I use Canon (besides Leica and MF) and in my opinion it comes more down to the following points:
    -optical viewfinder vs eVF (I prefer the first but I know there are also reasons to prefer the second)
    - AF - does one want/need a servo AF which works well for sports etc. or is a contrast AF fine
    - lenses: are the lens options for m4/3 enough? If one uses third party lenses: is one willing to manually focus?
    - MP: how big does one want to print, are 10 MP enough or does one want more?
    -size: of course the m4/3 bodies and lenses are smaller, on the other side a camera in the size of a 7d/5D might be easier to hold steady

    In the end for me it comes down to:
    m4/3: more portable, less expensive, maybe fun for experimenting with all brands and old lenses, but on the other side limited regarding higher ISO, shallow DOF, fast lenses and overall lens selection, fast tracking AF, and probably Dynamic range

    what I realized after once trying a 50 Summicron on the gh1 was that if I would use m4/3 I would rather use the original m4/3 lenses since I felt the 50 Summicron doesnt really lead to that much better IQ over the Pana Zoom.

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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    what I realized after once trying a 50 Summicron on the gh1 was that if I would use m4/3 I would rather use the original m4/3 lenses since I felt the 50 Summicron doesnt really lead to that much better IQ over the Pana Zoom.
    I agree with you here. I had an EP-1 for awhile (my dad is now using it on a long-term loan), and I am also a Leica shooter, so I had lots of lenses to try. In general, the Leica lenses do not do much better on the micro 4/3rds cameras than the dedicated lenses. A lot of this has to do with the lack of micro-lenses...Leica lenses that are sharp from corner to corner on the M9, M8 or film are really soft in the corners on micro 4/3rds. Then there is the general problem in focusing these manual lenses at arm's length on a small screen...even the magnified view is not much help because it is hard to hold it completely steady while turning the ring, and you also lose sight of the overall scene, so it makes composition difficult. Better to stick to the dedicated lenses for most things I think.
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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

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    Better to stick to the dedicated lenses for most things I think.
    ouhh ... but my FD and OM lenses are so much fun! Jokes aside my OM 50mm f1.8 is a great portrait lens (though perhaps easier to use on G1 than EP at least for someone with trouble close focusing on a camera back like me) and I'm really quite happy with my telephotos. But there are advantages to lenses like the 45-200 that you don't get with legacy stuff (its just that viceverca is also true)

    perhaps I don't feel its better for me, but would not say that's universal

    yours "sitting on the fence"

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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

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    Better to stick to the dedicated lenses for most things I think.

    After I bought that wretched 20/1.7, I lost several weeks of shooting.

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    "horses for courses"

    I love that this discussion exists. I love having both formats.

    However there is a saying "horses for courses" that I think applies here. I have a 5DMKII and L glass and an EP-1 and a few lenses including a 20 1.7. They are both great for what they are designed for. I carry the EP-1 to be inconspicuous and to take great pictures in good light and where I don't need speed to capture an image. In perfect circumstances they are both great - in less perfect circumstances or where I may need to heavily crop the 5DMKII shines. Unfortunately I don't have access to M9 so I can't comment on that.

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    Re: Canon 5Dm2+L glass vs GH1

    Jim, One of the reasons could be that users of many brands and systems use the m4/3rds through converters and lenses.

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