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    Panasonic G2 and G10 announced

    http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/syste...gms/index.html

    Announced at 'Focus on Imaging' show in the UK.

    I hope to handle one tomorrow.

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    Interesting how they've changed the kit from a 14-45 to a 14-42 like the Olympus collapsible, not that it is that big of a difference, but does anyone have an idea why?

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    Devon, I think this is a cost cutting exercise, apparently is has a plastic mount and no O.I.S switch. O.I.S now switched in body.

    Sadly for the HDR shooters there is no improvement on the 3/5/7 shot spread of the G1. Where is the 3 shot -2, 0, +2 option everyone wanted.

    I also notice this statement.

    " • The DMC-G2 comes with a function to check whether the battery and unit can be safely used together. • Batteries made by other companies which have been certified by Panasonic may be used with these units "

    Assuming Panasonic certify any of course ?

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    nice to see finally ... do let us know what you think Tipper!

    I see that the G10 has rather a lame EVF specification compared to the G1 ... I suspect you'll need to get the GH1 to get that now

    it is as I suspected, they played their best hand to lead with the G1

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    say, and isn't Live View Finder a new TLA?

    about time they hammered how good that system is.

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    and what is it with stating their lenses as 14-28 (35mm equivalent), I personally find that confusing

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    The camera's are not too exciting, but that 100-300mm f4 lens looks nice. Assuming it has OIS and is high quality glass, it may allow me to completely ditch my Canon stuff which I keep for nature photography.

    The 14mm is also sounds like nice lens, though I have hopes Olympus will come out with the rumored 12mm lens soon.

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    Kewk, where are you seeing the " 100 - 300mm f4 lens ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kewk View Post
    The camera's are not too exciting, but that 100-300mm f4 lens looks nice.
    did we see the same page? I looked again to see, but didn't see the 100-300mm mentioned there. I've heard it rumored and seen prototypes pikkies but not more yet ... can you toss me a link? I'm also very interested in a 300f4

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    http://43rumors.com/

    Yes it's only a "rumor"but his FT5 rumors are very reliable.

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    The 100-300 will be f/5.6 at the tele end.

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    The 100-300mm has been on the Panasonic lens roadmap for a while.

    As to the G10, it seems this is a low cost option to go below the G2. The G2, now that it has video, makes me wonder what they will do with the GH1 and it's replacement down the road. Curiously, here was little discussion on sensors either in the anouncements or in the DPreview hands on preview. I wonder if there are improvements there. Lastly, there was not statement of price or availability...

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    The 100-300 will be f/5.6 at the tele end.
    thanks, yep, that's the picture I've seen ... for me the lack of lens based tripod mount is a bit of a downer ... makes the lens more of a hand holding affair (or a beanbag).

    hope that OIS is good :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devon Shaw View Post
    Interesting how they've changed the kit from a 14-45 to a 14-42 like the Olympus collapsible, not that it is that big of a difference, but does anyone have an idea why?
    The DPreview comments say that it has a plastic mount. I think Panasonic introduced this to decreasing the costs of producing the lens to allow a lower price of the G10 and lens kit. It is odd that they included it with the G2. I would have thought they would the 14-45 with the G2 to differentiate it more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amin View Post
    The 100-300 will be f/5.6 at the tele end.
    You're right. Bummer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    Amin



    thanks, yep, that's the picture I've seen ... for me the lack of lens based tripod mount is a bit of a downer ... makes the lens more of a hand holding affair (or a beanbag).

    hope that OIS is good :-)
    Maybe it just doesn't need one? I don't know the size/weight of that lens, but isn't it possible that the camera based tripod mount will be just fine? Similar to the 70-300mm lenses for APS-C and regular 4/3.

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    Guess I would rather have a 300m f/4 than the zoom, but I could always pick up a Canon FD if I should ever decide I really need this focal length.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amin View Post
    Maybe it just doesn't need one? I don't know the size/weight of that lens, but isn't it possible that the camera based tripod mount will be just fine? Similar to the 70-300mm lenses for APS-C and regular 4/3.
    it is possible, but as a long time user of the EF100-300 I can say I constantly scratched my head as to how to make a mount for the lens.

    It definitely reduces cantilever type vibration (I'm not so concerned about the strain on the mount or camera) especially on a monopod. It can make changing the orientation from portrait to landscape much smoother and the I just happen to like working that way.

    Have you ever used a lens that way?

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    Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Guess I would rather have a 300m f/4 than the zoom, but I could always pick up a Canon FD if I should ever decide I really need this focal length.
    a good choice and a nice lens ... I have exactly that. But it might be nice to have AF from time to time. Sometimes its a struggle sometimes its like having an assistant to do focus for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripper View Post
    ... apparently is has a plastic mount and no O.I.S switch. O.I.S now switched in body....
    The announcement does mention OIS but it does not specifically states that's now IBIS. We assume it is since the new 14-42mm no longer has the switch. That will be a good thing, specially for those of us shooting with old vintage MF lenses. However, my concern is with regards to all new Lumix lenses not having OIS, particularly the 100-300mm, which I'm very much interested in for the long reach. If I had to guess, I'd say the new L lenses will not have OIS, which is bad for G1/GH1/GF1 owners. I just hope the lens will be fully compatible with the EP1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tullio View Post
    The announcement does mention OIS but it does not specifically states that's now IBIS. We assume it is since the new 14-42mm no longer has the switch.
    It's not IBIS, it's still in-lens OIS. All they're doing is moving the switch from the lens to the camera menu. No reason to assume it's IBIS, and it's not. The lens still says OIS. I'd guess all but the pancake lenses will come with OIS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by photoSmart42 View Post
    It's not IBIS, it's still in-lens OIS. ...The lens still says OIS. ...
    Yes, I noticed that the lens says OIS after I had written my post. That means if one uses the lens with the Oly EPn/EPL1, only the IBIS will be active, which is a good thing.
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    I do believe I am switching to Oly...I was hoping (foolishly, I know) for in-body stabilization. I like legacy lenses (actually, Oly's for the most part) too much...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mabelsound View Post
    I do believe I am switching to Oly...I was hoping (foolishly, I know) for in-body stabilization. I like legacy lenses (actually, Oly's for the most part) too much...
    Me too but I am afraid the Olympus M4/3 bodys are to fragile to carry a lot of legacy lenses without a tripod mount. And IS is most useful with the longer lenses.
    So there we have a problem.

    Would like a stronger M4/3 body, preferable something like the L1, with an EVF hump on it.
    But if that will come true, I doubt it, it is against the smaller and lighter direction M4/3 is going.
    For that I probably have to move back to Olympus 4/3, but do I really want that?

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    As a committed Canon EOS user, who is thinking about adding a Panny 4/3 for travelling, I am surprised at how few people are mentioning the G10.

    I am going to Focus tomorrow and had thought I might come back with a G1. Now I find the G10 offers me:-

    A new HD2 engine.
    6400 ISO instead of 3200
    Burst shooting and a viewfinder supporting it.

    I'm finding it odd that there is so much chat about the touch screen (IMHO a recipe for trouble) and movie mode (what serious photographer is going to try to make movies with a still camera?) and yet hardly anyone is making pointers to the way the 1 has moved forward with the 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonygamble View Post
    As a committed Canon EOS user, who is thinking about adding a Panny 4/3 for travelling,
    I was a commited EOS user, and for a long time too. After waiting years for digital EOS to allow me make sense of my TS-E lenses (24 and 90, so no full frame = no sense) and trying to like the 10D and 20D. When the G1 came out I gave up on the digital EOS and bought that.

    Now I'm a Panasonic FD and OM user ;-)

    I am surprised at how few people are mentioning the G10.
    I agree with you ... I think that the G10 is very interesting. Sufferers of CFO are perhaps blinded to the fact that the G10 will come in with more or less exactly the specification of the GF-1 + its LVF1 finder plus a few extra advances in onboard JPG engine. I'm willing to bet that the price of the G10 will be cheaper than that pair (GF + LVF).

    Since forums like this seem to be a small circle of friends (which is good to have btw) I put my thoughts about such a G10 -> GF-1 feature / price comparison on my blog.

    So, what'll happen with the pricing of the G10?

    If it comes in at less than the GF-1 (my suspicion) it will then make the GF-1 look more over priced and under featured than it does now. If it comes in over that price then it will be far too close to the G2 in price (which can't be too high with the GH1 already setting the upper limits and of course great cameras like the new Canon 550D nipping at the market).

    Adding Godfreys observation that the G10 will allow the use of more of the Oly 4/3 lenses I'm even more interested.

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    The G10 will surely come in cheaper than the GF1. I actually expect by a decent margin.

    Even though the size in mm isn't much different between the G1/G2 and the GF1 in practical use, they feel very different. Packing them in a bag with or without lens, they are very different (just traveled with both). So, it isn't all about specs, form factor makes a difference.
    Just as we've said all along that the G1 was the good value, I believe the G10 will carry that title going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    The G10 will surely come in cheaper than the GF1. I actually expect by a decent margin.

    Even though the size in mm isn't much different between the G1/G2 and the GF1 in practical use, they feel very different. Packing them in a bag with or without lens, they are very different (just traveled with both). So, it isn't all about specs, form factor makes a difference.
    well I sort of find the principle of charging so much more for just that (easier to make) form factor a little bit of a bitter pill



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    I understand, but even though I've said many times that if I could choose only one m4/3rds it would be the G1, I still have to say that the G1 and GF1 seem very different. Just now switching the 20 f/1.7 to the G1 and the FD 28 f/2.0 with metal hood to the GF1 (far from the pancake 20)--they still seem very different in handling and usage--along with the fact that the metal (mostly??) body of the GF1 seems quite different to my hands from the coated body of the G1. For some--that makes a difference--even to me at times LOL. And--I really do like handling it better with a 1/2 cover and mostly handling by the lens as opposed to a more 3 point handling/shooting of the G1. (Even when I have the EVf on the GF1 most of the time) I tned to angle it and look down rather than through from eye level--though at times the 3 point is helpful for shooting technique. There are pros and cons--with, I think, the pros going to the G1 for me.

    Some people will never like the DSLR form of the G1(et al) and prefer the sleek, no frills box like form of the GF1. The fact that you can stick the EVF in a pocket (in its case) and carry it separate does make it easy to carry the GF1in a large pocket or small handbag. I do it often--even adding the 45 f/2.8. The G1 just seems to take up a lot more room LOL in actual usage. I also read in various places that if the poster wanted a DSLR style camera they would just stick with their 'large' DSLR--not really getting the really big difference (for me) between, say, a 5D/D300--even E3 from the light G1--and the really REALLY big difference once one adds the lenses required for the DSLRs as opposed to what most of us shoot with on the G1--including adapted MF lenses.

    Still--I feel sure going on that as I upgrade bodies in the future, they are more likely to be in the G1 genre than the GF1. If THAT says much LOL.

    I'm not an apologist for the GF1--but I sort of understand the attraction to it over the G1---and some people are still willing to pay the difference. And--for some, its not that much to make them choose the G1.

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    I'm not sure if you're replying to me ... but assuming you are

    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    I understand
    ...
    I still have to say that the G1 and GF1 seem very different.
    ...
    they still seem very different in handling and usage
    yes, I do grasp all that, but my point is not that one size fits all, but that different sizes of essentially the thing should not cost as differently as they do.

    Once upon a time people would argue that this or that camera would be worth more or less because it had a better sensor, or more expensive technology.

    The EVF must add something to the cost, yet the GF does not have it standard the G1 and the G10 do so why is the GF dearer?

    that is my point

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    Yes, I do understand--its not rational OR reasonable, but that's the way it is. And--for some it doesn't make much difference so they (Panny) will continue to price it like that until it doesn't sell at that price. Competition will (and probably has) help in adjusting that price somewhat. I do have to say also that there is something 'different' about the GF1 as opposed to the G1--looks, form, feel. whatever--but it does play into that 'cachet' that some like in a camera.

    In all honesty I haven't priced the EP2 plus EVF to compare---so if one wants that form plus an EVF, maybe that's the better route if its less. If one just wants to get into the m4/3rds with an EVF--the G10 should do that we assume at a better price point. I think (haven't paid too much attention) that you still have to buy an accessory EVF for the EPL-1--so don't know if that gets at a better price point or not.

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    Di

    I'm not sure if you're replying to me ... but assuming you are



    yes, I do grasp all that, but my point is not that one size fits all, but that different sizes of essentially the thing should not cost as differently as they do.

    Once upon a time people would argue that this or that camera would be worth more or less because it had a better sensor, or more expensive technology.

    The EVF must add something to the cost, yet the GF does not have it standard the G1 and the G10 do so why is the GF dearer?

    that is my point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    I understand, but even though I've said many times that if I could choose only one m4/3rds it would be the G1, I still have to say that the G1 and GF1 seem very different. Just now switching the 20 f/1.7 to the G1 and the FD 28 f/2.0 with metal hood to the GF1 (far from the pancake 20)--they still seem very different in handling and usage--along with the fact that the metal (mostly??) body of the GF1 seems quite different to my hands from the coated body of the G1. For some--that makes a difference--even to me at times LOL. And--I really do like handling it better with a 1/2 cover and mostly handling by the lens as opposed to a more 3 point handling/shooting of the G1. (Even when I have the EVf on the GF1 most of the time) I tned to angle it and look down rather than through from eye level--though at times the 3 point is helpful for shooting technique. There are pros and cons--with, I think, the pros going to the G1 for me.

    Some people will never like the DSLR form of the G1(et al) and prefer the sleek, no frills box like form of the GF1. The fact that you can stick the EVF in a pocket (in its case) and carry it separate does make it easy to carry the GF1in a large pocket or small handbag. I do it often--even adding the 45 f/2.8. The G1 just seems to take up a lot more room LOL in actual usage. I also read in various places that if the poster wanted a DSLR style camera they would just stick with their 'large' DSLR--not really getting the really big difference (for me) between, say, a 5D/D300--even E3 from the light G1--and the really REALLY big difference once one adds the lenses required for the DSLRs as opposed to what most of us shoot with on the G1--including adapted MF lenses.

    Still--I feel sure going on that as I upgrade bodies in the future, they are more likely to be in the G1 genre than the GF1. If THAT says much LOL.

    I'm not an apologist for the GF1--but I sort of understand the attraction to it over the G1---and some people are still willing to pay the difference. And--for some, its not that much to make them choose the G1.

    Diane
    I only care for built in EVF and smallest possible body. I would not care about the style of the camera, but must admit I would prefer a slightly larger EP2 or GF1 like body with built in high resolution EVF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
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    The EVF must add something to the cost, yet the GF does not have it standard the G1 and the G10 do so why is the GF dearer?
    Because they can sell it for that much. Why is the G20/1.7 priced as it is? I think it is the same reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    Because they can
    yes, I'm quite sure that's the reason.


    I just wish the market would wise up a little and refuse to support that sort of thing ... but I'm just

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    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    Tony of course great cameras like the new Canon 550D nipping at the market).
    Surely the 550D is not really a substitute? One of my EOS bodies is the 350 and, although I have never handled a G1, I assumed it was much bulkier.

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    I just wish the market would wise up a little and refuse to support that sort of thing ... but I'm just
    Actually, you don't want to wish that the market refuse to support 'that sort of thing'. Higher initial prices, if they're supported by the market (as they clearly are), means higher profitability and good returns on investment, which in turn leads to more and better future products. It also invites competition, which in the long term also results in better products and cheaper prices.

    The market is wise enough to self-regulate pricing, and just because some people can't afford the initial high prices for a product (myself included), it doesn't mean there aren't others out there willing to be early adopters and make that investment.

    This is what the result of price controls on the market would produce: link (I have one from growing up in the old country)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonygamble View Post
    Surely the 550D is not really a substitute?
    550D
    Dimensions 129 x 98 x 62 mm
    Weight (inc batt/card) 530 g

    G2
    Dimensions 124 x 90 x 74 mm
    Weight (inc. batteries) 428 g

    550D looks a little blobby-er but its ball park ... 100g would be hard to feel once its got a lens on it and on your shoulder. Nowhere near the brick that a 5D is
    Dimensions 152 x 113 x 75 mm
    Weight (inc. batteries) 895 g

    of course I don't like the lack of EVF or articulating screen, but I know one GH1 / GF-1 / EP-2 owner who takes stock photography who's seriously considering dumping all his 4/3 gear to go with this ...

    Depending what you like to photograph the USM ring motor lenses on the Canon (like a EF300f4 IS) for which there is no parallel in the panasonic lineup. I know the G2 looks like it may be able to use CDAF compatible Oly lenses ...
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    Hi
    550D
    Dimensions 129 x 98 x 62 mm
    Weight (inc batt/card) 530 g

    G2
    Dimensions 124 x 90 x 74 mm
    Weight (inc. batteries) 428 g

    550D looks a little blobby-er but its ball park ... 100g would be hard to feel once its got a lens on it and on your shoulder. Nowhere near the brick that a 5D is
    Dimensions 152 x 113 x 75 mm
    Weight (inc. batteries) 895 g

    of course I don't like the lack of EVF or articulating screen, but I know one GH1 / GF-1 / EP-2 owner who takes stock photography who's seriously considering dumping all his 4/3 gear to go with this ...

    Depending what you like to photograph the USM ring motor lenses on the Canon (like a EF300f4 IS) for which there is no parallel in the panasonic lineup. I know the G2 looks like it may be able to use CDAF compatible Oly lenses ...
    The 550 looks like a very competent alternative, but the lack of EVF and articulated screen made me buy a GH1 a couple of days ago. Still, there are some very good reasons to consider the 550 as well, since it can use most of the same legacy lenses as the Panasonic plus a couple of unique EF lenses like the 70-200 f/4. Even being a Nikon user, I see it as a much more compelling alternative than the D90. Nikon is the one with the head on the block in this class now, and they need to come up with a really competent camera, and fast.

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    Well I had a 'play' with a G2 today at the 'Focus on Imaging' show in the UK.

    I thought Panasonic did well with their stand probably the largest floorspace of any exhibitor.

    I liked what I saw on the G2 it retains all the great features of the G1 and adds more goodies to the mix. The USP is of course the touchscreen and while some may view this as a 'gimmick' please remember the touchscreen replaces nothing you can still 'drive' the camera the traditional way ( i.e the G1) I guess the touchscreen will feel pretty familiar to the mobile phone generation who have similar functionality on their iPhones etc. I found the touchscreen intuitive and a worthy addition and thought it worked really well and there may well be more fine tuning to be done before the june release.
    I also welcome the ergonomic changes to the dial positions especially the front push dial moving to the back directly under your thumb. This is subjective but the build quality does seems better which has been one of the few complaints on the G1.
    The Panasonic rep said the New Venus Engine HD11 processor in the G2 would bring the Image Quality up to the level of the GH1, I hope so because the GH1 is accepted to have superior noise performance.
    Finally of course is the 720p video recording lets just hope it is all presented in an affordable package. I want one already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    Hi

    but I know one GH1 / GF-1 / EP-2 owner who takes stock photography who's seriously considering dumping all his 4/3 gear to go with this ...

    Depending what you like to photograph the USM ring motor lenses on the Canon (like a EF300f4 IS) for which there is no parallel in the panasonic lineup. I know the G2 looks like it may be able to use CDAF compatible Oly lenses ...
    And presumably the chip on the 550 is quite a bit bigger than 4/3.

    Yes, the legacy of Canon lenses is valuable. I used a 70-210 IS zoom on my 350d over the weekend to cover a stage play. Some shots on http://www.tonygamble.org/cowardprodn/ if you want a diversion.

    Tony

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonygamble View Post
    And presumably the chip on the 550 is quite a bit bigger than 4/3.
    The are of the Canon crop sensor is, nearly exactly, 50% larger than the µ4/3 and 4/3 sensor area. DOF- and noise-wise that is about 0.7 stops.

    The difference is either quite a bit, or nearly nothing, it depends on your take on it. The real difference is of course between FF and the 1.5, 1.6 and 2x crop sensors.

    About camera sizes... well, it is about the system you carry around, not just the camera. I'm interested in the total weight on your shoulder during a day's walk around a summer city.

    BTW; you have a lot of nice theatre shots!

    regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    I'm interested in the total weight on your shoulder during a day's walk around a summer city.

    BTW; you have a lot of nice theatre shots!

    regards,

    /Jonas
    So, as pellicle pointed out there was around 100gms difference in the body, we need to be thinking about matching Panny and Canon lenses. I use the EFS 17-85 on my 350d. I'm not sure what the Panny equivalent is. And I've not looked up what Canon would replicate the 20mm pancake that people are enthusing about.

    Thanks for the compliment on the theatre shots. It's our local amdram. I cover it with a wide zoom on my v old 1d, medium on the newish 5d and long zoom on the 350d - all lenses from my pre-digital life.

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    Tony

    you do have some nice theater shots there ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    The are of the Canon crop sensor is, nearly exactly, 50% larger than the µ4/3 and 4/3 sensor area. DOF- and noise-wise that is about 0.7 stops.

    About camera sizes... well, it is about the system you carry around, not just the camera. I'm interested in the total weight on your shoulder during a day's walk around a summer city.
    Jonas, back in June 2009 I packed a few lenses with my G1 to cover a conference. FD300f4, 100f2.8 and 50f1.4 as well as the Oly 9-18 and the Kit 14-45.

    When I picked up my pack I wondered where the hell did my light weight system go. So yes, its about the system.

    I would like to have had better noise at 1600iso or perhaps OIS in my 300f4 (like the EF does) as there was still enough shake to make my hand helds at 1/50th just that wee bit blurry for anything more than small display (lucky tat was all that was needed)

    My experience over this last year of using the G1 is that its a very competent camera and 5 years ago I would have been totally stunned with it. However I've also used other good cameras in that time and wonder if I should reconsider my gear ...

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    When I got my G1 over a year ago, I did some comparisons with my 400D which I had bought, used, to be my 'small' cam (and backup). There really wasn't enough difference to persuade me to carry the XTi with EF lenses as opposed to the m4/3rds kit (as Jonas says--its the weight/size of the gear carrying around). Once I mounted those lenses or put them in my bag, there wasn't any 'small' camera any longer. Others may feel differently about it--there are those that need a DSLR, regardless of which one. That's not me so the choice wasn't difficult.

    Where I saw the big difference, was, of course, with my 5D. When I want that 'difference' I'm willing to carry the 5D--but in fact just have sold off a lot of lenses that just didn't see any usage and kept just those that really make a difference for me with the 5D. I also sold the APS-c body.

    I think everyone has to make those personal decisions based on what they shoot, how they shoot, what their intended output is, etc. I will say that incorporating the m4/3rds system into my photographic world ended up with me not having a desire to upgrade my FF body.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    The are of the Canon crop sensor is, nearly exactly, 50% larger than the µ4/3 and 4/3 sensor area. DOF- and noise-wise that is about 0.7 stops.

    The difference is either quite a bit, or nearly nothing, it depends on your take on it. The real difference is of course between FF and the 1.5, 1.6 and 2x crop sensors.

    About camera sizes... well, it is about the system you carry around, not just the camera. I'm interested in the total weight on your shoulder during a day's walk around a summer city.

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    Hi Di

    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    When I got my G1 over a year ago, I did some comparisons with my 400D which I had bought, used, to be my 'small' cam (and backup). There really wasn't enough difference to persuade me to carry the XTi
    yes, I'm in that boat. Its the carrying the extra lenses which is the problem for me. So I'm thinking I should switch the G1 to an E-P1 (or two) and just have the 17mm pancake.

    decisions decisions ;-)

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    I think my Canon EFS 17-85 weighs 475 gms.

    I think the Panny 14-45 weighs 195 gms.

    Thereby might hang a tale regarding equivalent weights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kewk View Post
    The 14mm is also sounds like nice lens, though I have hopes Olympus will come out with the rumored 12mm lens soon.
    Can't find an announcement for this lens. Could you post a link?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post

    Jonas, back in June 2009 I packed a few lenses with my G1 to cover a conference. FD300f4, 100f2.8 and 50f1.4 as well as the Oly 9-18 and the Kit 14-45.

    When I picked up my pack I wondered where the hell did my light weight system go. So yes, its about the system.

    I would like to have had better noise at 1600iso or perhaps OIS in my 300f4 (like the EF does) (...)
    I'm lucky as I never felt the need for anything much longer than equiv 100mm. Try to find smaller lenses pellicle...

    The Cosmicar makes an OK and fast WA, the 20/1.7 is small but also what it is so a Schneider Xenon 25/1.5 comes to use instead. For a portrait/short tele the Zeiss Planar 45/2 is very good. So is the small and cute Pen FT 42/1.2. A little longer and the Voigtländer 75/2.5 beats anything else, and the Olympus OM100/2.8 is the same size as a standard 50/1.4.

    I don't regret selling the 5DMkII as I have more fun now. Sure, sometimes I miss the shallow DOF and less noise at base ISO, but I can get by. More workarounds, more fun and less to carry.

    Cheers,

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    I don't shoot tele either--I do have the 45-200 but I rarely use it. But--for those that want longer, OBIS--there will be the 100-300 next Fall. I'm assuming it will bea 'relatively' lighter lens. I do think that if you are going for lighter/somewhat smaller (as I am with this gear) then its relative. I know when I pack my Domke F6 with my G1, ZD 9-18, 20 f/1.7, 45 f/2.8 (Or perhaps my FD 50 f/1.8), 45-200--probably the FD 28 f/20 and maybe the Lensbaby Composer/FE plus the GF1--its still WAY smaller than anything to cover that FL with my 5D--or any Canon. I'd have to carry my Lowepro Magnum Pro--my Sling 200 won't carry that--I can't carry the 300 full LOL. OTOH--usually I would carry the 9-18, 20 on the GF1, 45 on the G1 and perhaps stick in the 45-200 and it would be really comfortable. I've carried my 5D, a WAZ, 24-70L, 70-200 F4L in a backpack and shoulder bag for many full days. The last time in Maine I was determined to find a better solution and enjoy my photography.

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