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    What is the best mf 35mm lens to put on a GF1

    I have searched high and low and cant seem to find the answer to the above question.

    My experience has been in Leica screw fit lenses and I have concluded that anything wider than 35mm on the GF1 with this fit is a non starter.

    Keen to hear opinions, anything from Zeiss, Canon, Leica, Voigtlander or anything else anyone is happy with. I am looking for sharpness across the image and colour.

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    I wonder if lack of information stems from the odd effective focal length. By that I mean on the GF1 this is going to be a 70mm. I 'm probably wrong but can't recollect anybody making one back in the old days. I have a Nikon 35mm F2 but as yet I haven't thought to try it. Although the GF1 takes all these different lenses I still think dedicated lenses is the way to go. In fact until more focal length are provided I would suggest looking at the 14-45mm kit lens, 18mm ( 35mm effective) and that little zoom is hitting a sweet spot. If the relative aperture of about F4 ( guess) doesn't put you off. Although you could always turn the wick up a bit the GF1 is quite good enough at at 400 ISO or even 800 in B/W to suit most users.
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    It is correct 70mm is an odd focal length but a native 35mm lens is about as wide as you can go with a Leica M/Screw mount because of image distortion. Yes, the kit lens is a cracker (i have one) but I am looking for best IQ from a MF lens.

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    Re: What is the best mf 35mm lens to put on a GF1

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesson View Post
    Although the GF1 takes all these different lenses I still think dedicated lenses is the way to go. In fact until more focal length are provided I would suggest looking at the 14-45mm kit lens, 18mm ( 35mm effective) and that little zoom is hitting a sweet spot. If the relative aperture of about F4 ( guess) doesn't put you off. Although you could always turn the wick up a bit the GF1 is quite good enough at at 400 ISO or even 800 in B/W to suit most users.
    Well, that would suggest that those of us who are happily (and successfully) using a variety of legacy MF lenses on Panasonic and Olympus m4/3rds cameras have somehow made a bunch of poor choices.

    However, if you're looking for "the best mf 35mm lens to put on a GF1", there are lots to consider, including:

    * Contax G 35/2
    * Canon FD 35/2
    * Canon FD 35/2.8
    * Konica Hexanon 35/2
    * Konica Hexanon 35/2.8
    * Minolta Rokkor 35/1.8
    * Minolta Rokkor 35/2.8
    * Nikkor AI-S 35/1.4
    * Nikkor AI-S 35/2
    * Nikkor AI-S 35/2.8
    * Olympus OM Zuiko 35/2
    * Olympus OM Zuiko 35/2.8
    * Pentax Takumar 35/2
    * Pentax Takumar 35/3.5
    * Voigtlander Nokton 35/1.2
    * Voigtlander Nokton 35/1.4

    Some of these you'll be able to pick up at reasonable, if not cheap, prices. Others will be considerably more expensive (I haven't listed Contax C/Y or Leica M and R lenses).

    If you search for some or all of the lenses I've listed -- on this forum, on the Alternative Gear and Lenses forum at FredMiranda.com, on ManualFocus.org, and on Flickr -- you'll find lots of pictures made with particular 35mm focal length lenses. Once you find one that seems to offer the look you're after, you can look for a copy on eBay or on the Buy and Sell sections in this and other forums.

    Hopefully, other GetDPI members will comment on the lenses I've listed and offer alternative suggestions. But, if you appreciate lenses that draw in all kinds of fascinating and beautiful ways, pretty much the worst thing you could do is restrict yourself to dedicated m4/3 lenses.

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    Well, that would suggest that those of us who are happily (and successfully) using a variety of legacy MF lenses on Panasonic and Olympus m4/3rds cameras have somehow made a bunch of poor choices.
    Only if you consider my opinion to be omnipotent. I wasn't suggesting that anyone using M/F had made a bad choice I was putting forward an option. I don't like using M/F lenses on the GF1, that's probably just me, but to me I'm quite important.

    Richie I now understand. From your post I didn't realise that you already were a user.

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    Re: What is the best mf 35mm lens to put on a GF1

    There are no odd focal lengths. I sometimes use an OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 for portraits and an OM Zuiko 21mm f/3.5 as a normal lens on the GH1. Both of them work very well and are sharp enough for most purposes. I could use a faster 21mm, and will sooner or later buy the Panasonic 20/1.7, but until I can afford that, the Zuiko is doing a very good job.

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    When I said odd I did explain that referred to a 70mm produced for full format film camera. Hence if there does happen to be one it would be very lonely,as would a 95mm. lens As I'm sure you know 75mm 85mm 90mm were the normal lenses in the short telephoto range for full frame. I wouldn't classify 60/65mm, usually Macro lenses in this group If you don't know his site just Google Nikon lens reviews Bjorn. Sorry every time I try to provide a link something goes wrong.

    I'm not sure if this is the right place for me. I was actually looking forward to the company of some GF1 users.

    A simple opinion given to someone and two slapped wrists.

    But to chance my arm.

    Jonathan wrote

    Flickr -- you'll find lots of pictures made with particular 35mm focal length lenses .

    But, if you appreciate lenses that draw in all kinds of fascinating and beautiful ways
    I don't think I could make much in the way of a judgement based on Flicker and my monitor screen. Of course another problem is lenses show different results from different sensors. For Nikon lenses Bjorn is one of the best.. He tests Nikon 35mm focal length lenses with various cameras both film and digital and gives results, but all the cameras are Nikons.

    Please note.............I don't think I could.


    later buy the Panasonic 20/1.7,
    You could do far worse Jorgen. But again , only in my opinion.



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    Re: What is the best mf 35mm lens to put on a GF1

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesson View Post
    A simple opinion given to someone and two slapped wrists....
    It's unfortunate that you feel that way but the OP specifically asked for suggestions concerning legacy ("Zeiss, Canon, Leica, Voigtlander") 35mm MF lenses yet you recommended he stick with dedicated AF lenses.

    I don't think I could make much in the way of a judgement based on Flicker and my monitor screen.
    I suggested this forum, FredMiranda.com, and ManualFocus.org as well as Flickr. There are hundreds of threads on those forums devoted to well-informed discussions of the strengths and weaknesses of different MF lenses; discussions that -- as well as an abundance of images -- include perceptive opinions as to why one might prefer a particular lens over another. Within a relatively short period of time you can gather, from the photographs and ancillary information, a very good sense about whether a given lens might meet your needs.

    I've purchased (and been consistently delighted with) a variety of Pen F, Rokkor, Hexanon, and Contax G lenses based upon this kind of research.

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    Keen to hear opinions, anything from Zeiss, Canon, Leica, Voigtlander or anything else anyone is happy with. I am looking for sharpness across the image and colour.
    The OP actually did say " or anything else" Which I understood meant an alternative ,

    I reckon the little 14-45mm can be included as an "anything"

    But let's stop it. Don't lets argue about semantics let's try and help the OP

    I've owned/own two of the lenses listed The Voigtlander 35mm F1.4 wide open not that good, but that's on film, lovely build quality. Wouldn't feel qualified to give in words any details of how a lens draws, even if I was sure what it meant. Elsewhere on this forum there is a guy* showing examples and giving a lead to a review on 4/3 forum, wherever that is. The Nikon 35mm F2 AIS I haven't tried mine but Bjorn gives it a thumbs up on Nikons.
    I realise that's not all that much help but it's a start.

    Wesson.
    Last edited by Wesson; 23rd April 2010 at 05:24. Reason: * Name of the guy, Mike Woods

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    O.K just a playabout but it might provide some kick off.



    Nikon 35mm F2 100 ISO



    Nikon 35mm F5.6 100 ISO



    Pan 14-45 @35mm F5.6 100ISO



    Pa, 14-45mm @f5.6 but 400ISO

    All straight out of the camera, default sharpening only, Jpegs, re-sized forweb.

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    Re: What is the best mf 35mm lens to put on a GF1

    Quote Originally Posted by richie15 View Post
    I am looking for sharpness across the image and colour.
    Sharpness and color? Zeiss Contax Distagon 35/1.4! You'll also get superb contrast for free.

    Cheers!

    Abbazz

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    Re: What is the best mf 35mm lens to put on a GF1

    I have a couple listed here.
    I have the nikon 35mm f1.4. Mine is the pre-AI (factory converted), circa 1976 with the radioactive thorium glass I really like this lens, bit dreamy wide open but really sharp by 2.8. I have it for my D3, its a really long lens on the EP2

    I have just picked up a contax G 35mm f2. Focusing is different (and dependant on adaptor of course). I only picked it up as I got a really good deal on an ebay gamble (bad photos of lens). Initial tests look like this is pretty sharp wide open. Size is much more in keeping with the EP2 form factor. I bought this for the EP2 but not really sure what I will do with it as I have a 50mm as well but if I don't use it I can sell it on for a profit!

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    Re: What is the best mf 35mm lens to put on a GF1

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesson View Post
    O.K just a playabout but it might provide some kick off.



    Nikon 35mm F2 100 ISO



    Nikon 35mm F5.6 100 ISO



    Pan 14-45 @35mm F5.6 100ISO



    Pa, 14-45mm @f5.6 but 400ISO

    All straight out of the camera, default sharpening only, Jpegs, re-sized forweb.
    Nice shots, not razor sharp though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbazz View Post
    Sharpness and color? Zeiss Contax Distagon 35/1.4! You'll also get superb contrast for free.

    Cheers!

    Abbazz
    Thanks, do I need the wheel adapter though, this is what is putting me off Zeiss. I see some of these images are from a Canon SLR, anyone using this on a GF1?
    Last edited by richie15; 23rd April 2010 at 07:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbazz View Post
    Sharpness and color? Zeiss Contax Distagon 35/1.4! You'll also get superb contrast for free.

    Cheers!

    Abbazz
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon Delacour View Post
    Well, that would suggest that those of us who are happily (and successfully) using a variety of legacy MF lenses on Panasonic and Olympus m4/3rds cameras have somehow made a bunch of poor choices.

    However, if you're looking for "the best mf 35mm lens to put on a GF1", there are lots to consider, including:

    * Contax G 35/2
    * Canon FD 35/2
    * Canon FD 35/2.8
    * Konica Hexanon 35/2
    * Konica Hexanon 35/2.8
    * Minolta Rokkor 35/1.8
    * Minolta Rokkor 35/2.8
    * Nikkor AI-S 35/1.4
    * Nikkor AI-S 35/2
    * Nikkor AI-S 35/2.8
    * Olympus OM Zuiko 35/2
    * Olympus OM Zuiko 35/2.8
    * Pentax Takumar 35/2
    * Pentax Takumar 35/3.5
    * Voigtlander Nokton 35/1.2
    * Voigtlander Nokton 35/1.4

    Some of these you'll be able to pick up at reasonable, if not cheap, prices. Others will be considerably more expensive (I haven't listed Contax C/Y or Leica M and R lenses).

    If you search for some or all of the lenses I've listed -- on this forum, on the Alternative Gear and Lenses forum at FredMiranda.com, on ManualFocus.org, and on Flickr -- you'll find lots of pictures made with particular 35mm focal length lenses. Once you find one that seems to offer the look you're after, you can look for a copy on eBay or on the Buy and Sell sections in this and other forums.

    Hopefully, other GetDPI members will comment on the lenses I've listed and offer alternative suggestions. But, if you appreciate lenses that draw in all kinds of fascinating and beautiful ways, pretty much the worst thing you could do is restrict yourself to dedicated m4/3 lenses.
    Jonathan

    Thanks for the list and your input, the key for me is sharpness across the image, not just the centre. I want to avoid if possible real softness wide open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wesson View Post
    The OP actually did say " or anything else" Which I understood meant an alternative ,

    I reckon the little 14-45mm can be included as an "anything"

    But let's stop it. Don't lets argue about semantics let's try and help the OP

    I've owned/own two of the lenses listed The Voigtlander 35mm F1.4 wide open not that good, but that's on film, lovely build quality. Wouldn't feel qualified to give in words any details of how a lens draws, even if I was sure what it meant. Elsewhere on this forum there is a guy* showing examples and giving a lead to a review on 4/3 forum, wherever that is. The Nikon 35mm F2 AIS I haven't tried mine but Bjorn gives it a thumbs up on Nikons.
    I realise that's not all that much help but it's a start.

    Wesson.
    I did ask for opinions and an opinion is what I got, so thanks for that What I am interested in though is mf, for me there is something more satisfying about focussing the lens yourself, rather than reply on AF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richie15 View Post
    Thanks, do I need the wheel adapter though, this is what is putting me off Zeiss.
    No, wheel is only required on the contax G lenses

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    C/Y 35/2.8. You get the Zeiss sharpness and micro contrast without the weight and price of 35/1.4 or the new Z35/2.

    I actually found 35mm on m4/3 to be very useful. A few steps forward you get isolation, a few steps backward you get more space. Whereas 20 and 50s are more suitable for one way or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richie15 View Post
    I have searched high and low and cant seem to find the answer to the above question.

    What is the best mf 35mm lens to put on a GF1?
    The best lens of any FL you can put on your camera is the one between your ears. Everything else is relative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aleksanderpolo View Post
    C/Y 35/2.8. You get the Zeiss sharpness and micro contrast without the weight and price of 35/1.4 or the new Z35/2.

    I actually found 35mm on m4/3 to be very useful. A few steps forward you get isolation, a few steps backward you get more space. Whereas 20 and 50s are more suitable for one way or the other.
    Thanks what is C/Y?

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    This is one reason I question pixel peeping on the web isn't a very good way of accessing lens performance These files are from Jpegs not Raw, automatically sharpened and reduced to 50kb from the original 28Mb. And this is the 14-45mm at f5.6. So bearing in mind this and the fact I am the village idiot I don't reckon it's bad.





    I really must dust that model.

    Whatever, doing this has shortened the day a bit.

    Doesn't C/Y stand for Contax/Yashica?

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    I like the Contax G 35mm f/2. Very sharp across the frame, close focus capable, small size (compared to the SLR 35s), and just feels perfect on the GF1. You will need an adapter so see: http://contaxgm43.wordpress.com/
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    I've had a 35 Summicron v. IV since 1984 that I like very much with both my G1 and GF1.



    This was taken with the Summicron on my G1

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    Ron, that is the kind of sharpness I am after. Thanks for your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richie15 View Post
    Ron, that is the kind of sharpness I am after. Thanks for your post.
    Glad to help.


    Here is a link to the full-res of that picture. Didn't want to post that large an image here.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/ronssmi...7619167864622/
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    These were all taken with a 35/2 Carl Zeiss 35/2 Planar on a GF1:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/rjagits...7623844242522/

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonSmith View Post
    Glad to help.


    Here is a link to the full-res of that picture. Didn't want to post that large an image here.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/ronssmi...7619167864622/
    That is stunning, only problem is the cost

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    Quote Originally Posted by richie15 View Post
    That is stunning, only problem is the cost
    Not really ... I only paid about $465 for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonSmith View Post
    Not really ... I only paid about $465 for it.
    But was that in 1984

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    These were all taken with a 35/2 Carl Zeiss 35/2 Planar on a GF1:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/rjagits...7623844242522/
    Please dont take offence and I have seen your stunning images with the Zeiss but I am not sure I can get on with your adapter. If I was closer I would love the opportunity to try it out.

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    The Zeiss focus closer than the Leica M Summicron, and cost about $200-$250

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    Quote Originally Posted by richie15 View Post
    Please dont take offence and I have seen your stunning images with the Zeiss but I am not sure I can get on with your adapter. If I was closer I would love the opportunity to try it out.
    Closer? Where are you?

    If not my adapter, any adapter. The Zeiss is that good, and can't be beat on price either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Closer? Where are you?

    If not my adapter, any adapter. The Zeiss is that good, and can't be beat on price either.
    The UK I am afraid, I have seen the images of the 45mm as well

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    I'm shipping some to London, if you are nearby.

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    Yes, very close. I will drop you a pm

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    By the way, Richie, Monza (aka Robert) is a first rate gentleman and a pleasure to do business with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonSmith View Post
    By the way, Richie, Monza (aka Robert) is a first rate gentleman and a pleasure to do business with.
    Thanks Ron, I think the Zeiss is a good call, I am just not 100% about having the wheel on the adapter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbazz View Post
    Sharpness and color? Zeiss Contax Distagon 35/1.4! You'll also get superb contrast for free.

    Cheers!

    Abbazz
    Just wanted to mention that you photos displayed at the flickr link are outstanding!

    Thanks for sharing.

    Did you use the GF1 or other 4/3 camera to take these shots?


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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Closer? Where are you?

    If not my adapter, any adapter. The Zeiss is that good, and can't be beat on price either.
    I am one of the Londoners and your welcome to have a play with the adapter when it arrives if you can get to London. Don't have the 45 but have the 35 and the 90mm to play with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazedproductions View Post
    I am one of the Londoners and your welcome to have a play with the adapter when it arrives if you can get to London. Don't have the 45 but have the 35 and the 90mm to play with.
    That sounds fantastic if you dont mind, I will drop you a pm.

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    The Zuiko ZD 35mm macro is a great lens for the price (about $160 on eBay) but I'm not sure it will AF with the appropriate adapter (either Pana or Oly). You'd have to check the lens compatibility chart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon Delacour View Post
    However, if you're looking for "the best mf 35mm lens to put on a GF1", there are lots to consider, including:

    * Contax G 35/2
    * Canon FD 35/2
    * Canon FD 35/2.8
    * Konica Hexanon 35/2
    * Konica Hexanon 35/2.8
    * Minolta Rokkor 35/1.8
    * Minolta Rokkor 35/2.8
    * Nikkor AI-S 35/1.4
    * Nikkor AI-S 35/2
    * Nikkor AI-S 35/2.8
    * Olympus OM Zuiko 35/2
    * Olympus OM Zuiko 35/2.8
    * Pentax Takumar 35/2
    * Pentax Takumar 35/3.5
    * Voigtlander Nokton 35/1.2
    * Voigtlander Nokton 35/1.4
    I would advise you to stay clear of OM 35 mm. lenses, because their performance in m43 is less than spectacular (Been there, done that). I also suspect that the 35 mm Noktons may perform lamely with m43 bodies. I had great hopes for famous 35 mm Summicron-M, but I faced darkening and smearing in the picture corners. So the Summicron wasn't a real option.

    The only rangefinder type of 35 mm lens thats been tried and found excellent is Contax G Planar 2/35 mm.

    If that is not a satisfactory choice, I urge you to consider only the highest quality SLR-type wideangles.

    Best Regards,

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    Your very brave. I wanted to say this in my first post but didn't dare.

    The " Bentley" pictures I posted demonstrate that the 14-45mm is better than the Nikkor F2 35mm. Yes the Nikkor is faster which is why I upped the ISO to match. Yes none of them are Razor sharp but as I pointed out these are Jpeg files with no PP apart from re-sizing. I thought posting them in this form provided a level playing field.

    Thes are two examples of the 14-45mm @f8. Bit of a lens torture at this distance, quite a test for a budget lens IMHO.



    Corner crop from the same file.



    And re the earlier colour Querry. My main hobby is stamp collecting where accuracy of colour can make thousands of pounds difference to the value. I used to use a calibrated Epson 4990, now happily use the GF1 on standard settings here an example of " Shades"



    Also clearly shows how the printer ink has "bled" into the paper.

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    Abbazz
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    Re: What is the best mf 35mm lens to put on a GF1

    Quote Originally Posted by seakayaker View Post
    Just wanted to mention that you photos displayed at the flickr link are outstanding!
    Did you use the GF1 or other 4/3 camera to take these shots?
    Thank you for the kind words but, unfortunately, I am not responsible for these outstanding pictures. They were made by a gentleman named Aleksandr Matveev and I understand he is using a canon EOS 5D.

    Cheers!

    Abbazz

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