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    New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    APS sensor, smaller than GF1, plastic OR metal bodies, metal-bodied lens and a dirt-cheap price!! Astonishing. They will sell boatloads. Watch out, micro 4/3rds.

    http://dpreview.com/news/1005/10051102sonynex.asp#press

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    LCD cameras are useless in bright sun, and with f/2.8 speed it wiLL be a killer in low light situations

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Do you have any links to decent sample images?

    Cheers

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Do you have any links to decent sample images?

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    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/NEX5/NEX5A.HTM

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Y.B.Hudson III View Post
    LCD cameras are useless in bright sun, and with f/2.8 speed it wiLL be a killer in low light situations
    I was the first to say I wouldn't sell a G1 for a GF1 or a EP-1 because of that, but the Sony is so small (just think of a micro 4/3rds in a 3" long housing, that is essentially what Sony has done, the 16mm lens is smaller than Olympus's 17mm and it supports an APS sensor) I can forgive the lack of EVF, but maybe not a provision to add one later.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Y.B.Hudson III View Post
    LCD cameras are useless in bright sun, and with f/2.8 speed it wiLL be a killer in low light situations
    didn't seem to put a dent in the sales of the E-P1 ... even with a silly price tag

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Looks pretty cool but I won't be trading in for one. It's too ugly

    Also is missing a few key features imo.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Not too decent, E-PL1 looks sharper and clearer to me.

    Looking forward to some decent real world samples, everything I've seen so far sucks big time.

    I need Jono Slack to get his hands on one

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by RichA View Post
    APS sensor, smaller than GF1, plastic OR metal bodies, metal-bodied lens and a dirt-cheap price!! Astonishing. They will sell boatloads. Watch out, micro 4/3rds.
    No interest to me.

    Micro-FourThirds is a great complement to my FourThirds SLR kit and I share all the lenses between them. The Sony NEX doesn't share any lenses with what I have, and it will take a long time for Sony to come up with lenses on par with what I have already, not to mention the cost.

    I also think the control layout is truly awful-point&shoot-stuff.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Not too decent, E-PL1 looks sharper and clearer to me.

    Looking forward to some decent real world samples, everything I've seen so far sucks big time.

    I need Jono Slack to get his hands on one

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    Every reviewer I've seen that touched it says the Sony IQ is very good. With most saying the best so far.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    No interest to me.

    Micro-FourThirds is a great complement to my FourThirds SLR kit and I share all the lenses between them. The Sony NEX doesn't share any lenses with what I have, and it will take a long time for Sony to come up with lenses on par with what I have already, not to mention the cost.

    I also think the control layout is truly awful-point&shoot-stuff.
    Yeah control layout might suck we shall see but I do have lenses for it that can be shared with my A900 including the tiny but excellent 24-105.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    With an adapter you can even use the Zeiss lenses from the Alpha DSLRs (although they're subject to the usual APS-C crop factor). I wonder if Zeiss will make a nice juicy compact lens just for this camera in the wide arena. That would be sweet.
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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    On the subject of the size of the Sony I think it only fair to measure it size as from the thickest part of the handle and the tallest from the protruding lens mount.

    My reasoning is that any cases that you get will have to accommodate at least that and plus some for the lens that you have attached. So while it appears tiny in its minimum dimensions, its the thicker parts you have to consider.

    As for lenses, we can only hope there are more to come. Looking at Sony's current lens lineup would have me stick with my GF1. The Panasonic 20mm f1.7 has not been equaled by Sony yet.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Not too decent, E-PL1 looks sharper and clearer to me.

    Looking forward to some decent real world samples, everything I've seen so far sucks big time.

    I need Jono Slack to get his hands on one

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    I've owned a few 4/3rds cameras and agree that Olympus has produced some astounding lenses, particularly when it comes to edge quality. But nothing from the Olympus micro 4/3rds realm has been staggeringly good, none match my Nikon 16-85mm zoom. So, you are left with adapting 4/3rds lenses, which is a satisfactory solution.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    I've posted a 3200 iso comparison to m4/3 and a 12800 iso sample here:
    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16437
    IQ really looks incredible. iso 3200 looks totally usable and 12800 in my eyes could be used in B/W for small prints. I'm dying to see more, specially images that show hard dynamic range conditions.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Nice to see a mirror-less body with a bigger sensor than 4/3, but everything else about the designs just turns me off. I'm obviously not their target market!

    One observation I have not yet seen any reviewers make:

    The two announced zooms have optical stabilisation in-lens: the body doesn't have stabilisation. Folks with a stable of lenses from Minolta/Alpha SLRs will be used to having the body provide the stabilisation, which they won't get when they hook them up to a NEX body.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    I think that's overall strategy olympus may be thinking of for the long run.


    Update 4/3 lenses and m4/3 cameras so eventually they work as good as native m4/3 lenses. Eventually I think you will have consumer grade m4/3 lenses and pro 4/3 lenses with 4/3 and m4/3 bodies getting merged into one line.


    Else I can not think of any other reason why olympus would not come out with better m4/3 lenses which is core strength of their system.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RichA View Post
    I've owned a few 4/3rds cameras and agree that Olympus has produced some astounding lenses, particularly when it comes to edge quality. But nothing from the Olympus micro 4/3rds realm has been staggeringly good, none match my Nikon 16-85mm zoom. So, you are left with adapting 4/3rds lenses, which is a satisfactory solution.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    I have little interest in putting my big ol' Alpha lenses on the NEX for normal use. It's two completely different types of cameras.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Okay, this is gonna look a little silly.


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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    This was my first digital camera in 1999 - 2.11 megapixels, 5x optical zoom, USB, -50 +90 degree rotating Lens, No Viewfinder, Aperture range F2.8 - F3.3, LCD 2 ", LCD Dots 123,000............look familiar in any way?



    back to the future...
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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    I have little interest in putting my big ol' Alpha lenses on the NEX for normal use. It's two completely different types of cameras.
    No either do I BUT I can see using it on a tripod when I want to have two bodies and don't want a second A900. Can't really see using it with my big lenses any other way. However, I can see it with my 24-105.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Agreed there, Terry. That's why AF doesn't seem all that important to me.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Every reviewer I've seen that touched it says the Sony IQ is very good. With most saying the best so far.
    Is it possible they're focusing on high iso IQ? I'm asking for pointers to low iso shots which show the lens quality - which so far hasn't looked that sparkling in the samples I've seen.

    Cheers

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Is it possible they're focusing on high iso IQ? I'm asking for pointers to low iso shots which show the lens quality - which so far hasn't looked that sparkling in the samples I've seen.

    Cheers

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    Here is one from Imaging Resource
    Sony NEX-5 Image Quality
    Though I wouldn't say the Sony NEX-5 blows all the other cameras out of the water, it certainly does better at more elements in our Still Life target than any of the cameras we set it against. For the price, the Sony NEX cameras are the new quality leaders.

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/NEX5/NEX5A.HTM

    I just got home from a trip and have to pack to get out of town again in the AM. I will look for the other links that I saw last night.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    didn't seem to put a dent in the sales of the E-P1 ... even with a silly price tag

    Well, E-P1 was a unique camera, pretty much first of a kind (G1 aside) with unique retro design that was equally attractive to both amatures and pro's alike.

    Sony - is a bit different animal. It looks like a toy and it has no decent optics (for now, hopefully Zeiss will do something) unlike those choices Oly-Pana-Leica has (and will have even more in the near future)
    Will it sell? Sure it will, Best Buy and other mainstream consumer electronic stores will move them easily. Will it become a classic camera like GRD, E1, D2, E-P...? - I don't think so. (just my opinion based on the pix I've seen)

    The other question is - What is the flange distance of the Sony E-mount?
    Based on pictures I've seen it looks kinda short. Maybe even less than 20mm (just look at image below, looks almost close to 15mm, could be exciting feature)

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PROD...antom_1200.jpg
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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Isn't a short flange distance better? This way you can use more lenses as there is room to adapt them to the proper distance. If the distance is to big is when you are in trouble. The other dimension that is supposed to be very good is the opening which is wide enough to accommodate a lot of lenses. This is something that the Samsung apparently didn't do in their design and it knocked out a lot of lenses from being compatible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Isn't a short flange distance better? This way you can use more lenses as there is room to adapt them to the proper distance. If the distance is to big is when you are in trouble. The other dimension that is supposed to be very good is the opening which is wide enough to accommodate a lot of lenses. This is something that the Samsung apparently didn't do in their design and it knocked out a lot of lenses from being compatible.
    Yes, short flange distance is good. My word "exCiting" was missing a "C" (what a difference it makes) but now its corrected.

    If the overall depth of the body is 40mm, than looks like the mount protrusion should be around 9-10mm, and the sensor does not seem to be too deep after that (maybe another 7-9mm inside) Mount diameter looks also pretty wide, so no problem there. It will beat Samsung in this regard. But Oly looks way cooler.
    No matter what, I think competition is great.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Y.B.Hudson III View Post
    LCD cameras are useless in bright sun, and with f/2.8 speed it wiLL be a killer in low light situations
    Strap on a Hoodman and they actually can work ok. I know - it looks kind of stupid.

    The new Sony basically straps a sensor on a lens. Looks very weird but is intriguing.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    It won't matter how small the camera is if the lenses are big. I can't really see a 24mm EFOV lens as a "walk around" lens either.

    GF1+20/1,7 still looks like the best compact compromise to me.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Here is one from Imaging Resource
    Sony NEX-5 Image Quality
    Though I wouldn't say the Sony NEX-5 blows all the other cameras out of the water, it certainly does better at more elements in our Still Life target than any of the cameras we set it against. For the price, the Sony NEX cameras are the new quality leaders.

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/NEX5/NEX5A.HTM

    I just got home from a trip and have to pack to get out of town again in the AM. I will look for the other links that I saw last night.
    Those are the images I've seen... poor lens quality.

    If you see anything decent, I'd appreciate any links

    Cheers

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    This NEX3/5 thingies, I consider them as APS-C digital backs (I do see some use for them). I would not be excited about the lenses just like anything Olympus churns out for the m4/3rds.

    G1 is a camera. NX10 less so...

    IMO, only one brand seems to know how to make an useful camera/lenses and that is Panasonic.

    If only they can emulate Samsung in bringing out useful flashes...

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    This NEX3/5 thingies, I consider them as APS-C digital backs (I do see some use for them). I would not be excited about the lenses just like anything Olympus churns out for the m4/3rds.
    I'm waiting for SHG lenses for m4/3rds too... but the imaging resource comparisons show the NEX lenses are shocking - the E-PL1 + kit lens outclasses them

    The Samsung NX at least has a half decent pancake lens for APS-C... maybe the problem for Sony is down to the ultra short registration distance?

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    I would wait till I can see how the lens (I don't care about the zooms) is put together.

    The NX10 30/2 is a heliar type design. Unlike the Pana 20/1.7/G1 (for visible), the NX10 sensor could use better lenses. The NX10 sensor is very sharp (unlike some review outfit claimed). The pen F 40/1.4, in particular, makes that cam sing. Having a slow lens (f/2.8) is no joy. It is quite clear that Sony went for the 16/2.8 to be different from Samsung and the m4/3rds. Their idea of wide attachments, while a welcome thought, are not likely to be impressive. I do not have a good impression of Sony's wide attachments (even for video).

    Anyway, with such high pixel density cams, hand-held shooting isn't going to give a true measure of what they are capable of.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Registration distance is 18mm according to another site.

    Competition is good but the interface looks too simplified, although the size is spot on! With a bigger sensor, the same lens for FF or m4/3 will give different results! Very affordable.
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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Won't there be a problem with such a short registration distance... in terms of the angle of incidence of light hitting the sensor?

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Won't there be a problem with such a short registration distance... in terms of the angle of incidence of light hitting the sensor?

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    That is a Leica specific problem.

    I use lenses (non Leica) with shorter BFL on my G1s. No problems.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Are you talking about FF lenses?

    The Sony R1 had an extremely short distance from rear lens element to sensor - so I can believe this is something which could be overcome... but no sign of it yet with the Sony lenses for release with the NEX.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Are you talking about FF lenses?

    The Sony R1 had an extremely short distance from rear lens element to sensor - so I can believe this is something which could be overcome... but no sign of it yet with the Sony lenses for release with the NEX.

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    The issue I see on the NEX lens used in the Imaging Resource tests is in the extreme corners. The Leica lenses on m4/3 had problems much further into the frame.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    The NEX 16mm lens looks pretty rough in the periphery of the frame in the samples shown on this page. At f/5.6, I'd expect sharpness to be maintained beyond the central 50% of the image, and it doesn't look to be the case. It appears to do well at f/8 though.

    On second thought, maybe they got a bum lens?? The IR samples at f/6.3 look pretty decent.
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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    They are all the same, I would think. One was shot under overcast conditions and shows unpleasant CA and other problems.

    The other was shot under gentle sunny conditions. Even "lens babies" will look nice, stopped down, under such lighting.

    The 16/2.8 isn't impressive but at least it is unlikely to be built like the Olympus lenses for m4/3rds (nothing can top that).

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Yes, the Sony lenses look fantastic on the outside... all shiny metal. That's the most important thing

    Cheers

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Yes, the Sony lenses look fantastic on the outside... all shiny metal. That's the most important thing

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    Sony might have missed an opportunity in providing a review outfit with their production stuff to them. They would have claimed, "all metal body, harking back" to glory days of film (while using a dog of a manual focus lens to proclaim that the NEX3/5 isn't as sharp as the m4/3rds).

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Yes, big mistake in supplying the reviewers with production sample cameras - should have sent them brochures instead

    In fact, I think this is what they did for dpreview

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    I find myself teetering on the brink of m4/3rds denial, trying to proove that my GF-1 is a superior camera!

    I think it will be interesting to the samples that Dpreview will put up when they finally get a chance to fully review the Nex-5. The Lumix 20/1.7 sells the GF-1 to me, so I'll be interested to see if the little Sony pancake lens is of the same quality.

    The only thing which I find a bit odd is that they have gone for a 24mm equivalent pancake lens. I don't know why but in much the same way that the marketing hacks have insisted on useless increases in pixels, it seem de jour for pancake lenses to get wider and wider. Most people will find a 24mm equiv lens less easy to work with than the 35mm and 40mm equivalents from Olympus and Panasonic.

    Incidentally, I do firmly believe that Sony will in the end dominate the prosumer camera market. They are a bit like Microsoft in their agressive and relentless competitiveness.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Won't there be a problem with such a short registration distance... in terms of the angle of incidence of light hitting the sensor?

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    If its really true that flange distance = 18mm, than I understand why the samples are so bad in corners.
    By making the flange so short and sensor so big, Sony is pretty much have to:
    a. make larger lenses, to deal with angle of incidence.
    b. use extensive in camera pp
    c. develop sensor with microlenses like M9
    d. all of the above together to achieve better image quality.

    Looks like this camera was design by Sony's Marketing department and not by R&D. (having worked for Fortune's 20 company, I know how those things develop.)

    I think the idea behind the shorter flange was to make lenses smaller than those of m4/3 competition. Sounds like Sony marketing people did not know about "Angle of Incidence" and that why they ended up in the "Circle of Confusion"

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    I must admit, the Nex system look very nice. It's not all good of course (with all of the downsides pointed out by others here), but it's certainly got some advantages over the available m4/3 cameras at this point. Low light performance looks amazing. If I was deciding right now between my GF1 and the Nex, it would be a touch choice.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
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    The Sony R1 had an extremely short distance from rear lens element to sensor ...
    This is an irrelevant fact. The Zeiss T* lens used on the Sony R1 was a fixed lens designed in conjunction with and exclusively for that camera's specific sensor. The rear elements of the lens were designed to collimate the light paths and provide nearly exactly orthogonal incidence of light to sensor across the entire sensor photosite array. The in-lens shutter mechanism allowed the rear elements of the lens to approach arbitrarily close to the sensor assembly.

    It's a design at least very difficult to achieve with an interchangeable lens mount and focal plane shutter, if not impossible. The closest possibility I can think of is Ricoh's interchangeable "lensors".

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    This was my first digital camera in 1999 - 2.11 megapixels, 5x optical zoom, USB, -50 +90 degree rotating Lens, No Viewfinder, Aperture range F2.8 - F3.3, LCD 2 ", LCD Dots 123,000............look familiar in any way?



    back to the future...
    I have no problem with the size of the lens vs body. My first "serious" digital camera was the Sony F707 which was a superb performer for its day, with that wonderful fast 5:1 Zeiss zoom on the little swivel body. The lens provides an excellent way to grip the camera and with the swivel body it was brilliant for waist level shooting.

    Amongst other things I dislike about the NEX cameras, aside from the lens problem and control ergonomics which look hopeless to me for any serious shooting, is the complete lack of any eye level viewfinder, standard accessory shoe or flash connection.

    I could see one of these with the flip-out screen and ultra-zoom lens as a waist-level only camera, but why I'd spend the money for that when I have other cameras that are just as good at it while being more versatile is a question I can't answer yet.

    Of course this means I'll have to eat crow when I discover how wonderful the NEX are and buy one ... LOL!!!

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Believe it or not, there actually is an OVF available for the 16mm lens.

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    Re: New Sony, all I can say is, "WOW!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    This is an irrelevant fact. The Zeiss T* lens used on the Sony R1 was a fixed lens designed in conjunction with and exclusively for that camera's specific sensor. The rear elements of the lens were designed to collimate the light paths and provide nearly exactly orthogonal incidence of light to sensor across the entire sensor photosite array. The in-lens shutter mechanism allowed the rear elements of the lens to approach arbitrarily close to the sensor assembly.

    It's a design at least very difficult to achieve with an interchangeable lens mount and focal plane shutter, if not impossible. The closest possibility I can think of is Ricoh's interchangeable "lensors".
    If the light leaving the rear lens element is nearly exactly orthogonal, then why would it be difficult or impossible to achieve with an interchangeable lens? couldn't you just move the lens forward?

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