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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Checkers might be a good sport for the G2...

    Time between shots in a burst G2 .438 sec./ G1 .395 sec./ EPL-1 .350 sec.

    Quantity of shots to fill the buffer (raw+small jpg) G1...3/ G2...3/ EPL-1...9





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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Hudson, it wasn't really the time between shots that I was thinking changed it is the viewfinder blackout or freezing of the image is a better way to describe. You get back to a live view faster. If I were shooting where I needed to use burst extensively (sports), I would only shoot jpeg and then there is no buffer issue it goes until you fill the card.

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    Re: Fun with the G2

    shoot in jpig... if your like the high contrast that Panasonic pumps out...

    Once you press the trigger live view is finished until the burst is done.

    @nd yes...Dear the time between shots is my contribution to this thread and not an answer to your question...

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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Quote Originally Posted by Y.B.Hudson III View Post

    Once you press the trigger live view is finished until the burst is done.

    @nd yes...Dear the time between shots is my contribution to this thread and not an answer to your question...
    My contribution to the thread....Live view is definitely live in burst (except in H) I just tried it again....I can clearly see the sailboats moving in the bay while shooting.



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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Picked up a G2 kit at Gatwick Airport on Friday evening and, so far, not much time to play with it - and the weather here in Western Scotland is awful today.

    However, a few thoughts on its physical characteristics :

    - Unlike some others, I never had any problems with the coating peeling on the G1 but the coating on the G2 is quite different and less "sticky" than the G1 (which I liked a lot). Overall the G2 feels more "plasticy" than the G1;

    - the 14-42 kit lens definitely feels much cheaper than the 14-45 lens supplied with the G1. I don't like the plastic mount.

    - Some of the buttons seem to operate less smoothly.

    I believe that Panasonic have taken some cost out of the new model - and that is reflected in build quality. But, hey, I get video and a touch screen so, overall I'm a happy bunny - and I can now sell both my G1 and my Oly E-P1 - and might actually turn a profit on the upgrade.

    Hopefully I'll get the chance to take it out and try a few shots next week if the weather improves.
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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Terry... I think my horses are faster than your boats

    I will read the manual and get back @ you... 'cause it's obvious that our perceptions are differing...

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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Ok...Terry...

    From my experience...G2 in burst mode M, and L...sure it gives you live view between exposures, but then it blacks out during the exposure.

    I prefer the freeze frame review with out black-outs in H to the flickring blackness of M&L...or am I still missing something? *


    * with the M&L you would have to stop during the action to review the exposed images for exposure/focus/event conformation.**


    ** and if speed is a concern and not aesthetics, one should be shooting Nikon...



    Hudson...
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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Perhaps I am missing something here?

    First off can any m4/3rds (let us not talk about the not very useful Samsung NX10) be trusted to to do AF?

    I tried the 45-200 zoom with G1 (both old and new firmwares) of kids playing Tennis. It always went and focused on the fence and not the kids.

    I realized that it was my mistake and switched to manual focus primes to do the job.



    Quote Originally Posted by Y.B.Hudson III View Post
    Checkers might be a good sport for the G2...

    Time between shots in a burst G2 .438 sec./ G1 .395 sec./ EPL-1 .350 sec.

    Quantity of shots to fill the buffer (raw+small jpg) G1...3/ G2...3/ EPL-1...9





    regards Hudson

    Hudson, Yeah, may be you identified a sports. It might work if the players are bejeweled with objects that bling.

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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Yehh... Wednesday night Bingo @ the Senior Center with t' panny 20mm wouLd be a h00t...:sleep006:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y.B.Hudson III View Post
    Checkers might be a good sport for the G2...

    Time between shots in a burst G2 .438 sec./ G1 .395 sec./ EPL-1 .350 sec.

    Quantity of shots to fill the buffer (raw+small jpg) G1...3/ G2...3/ EPL-1...9





    regards Hudson
    were all three cameras in the same AF mode??
    if i recall properly, there's at least one mode that tries to AF (AF-C??)
    each shot in the burst

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    Iced cubed...All three cameras were shot in the with out lens mode...*



    * m4/3 bodies inadvertently turned out to be superior platforms for interesting, though problematic "manual focus glass" from other formats... I find the performance of m4/3 AF glass to be slow and disappointing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y.B.Hudson III View Post
    * m4/3 bodies inadvertently turned out to be superior platforms for interesting, though problematic "manual focus glass" from other formats... I find the performance of m4/3 AF glass to be slow and disappointing...
    That must be something which depends on what you compare to, and what you expected.

    I find my G1 working better than expected. The AF is slow (but not slooow) compared to the Pentax and Canon cameras I have owned, but there is nothing wrong with the precision (when compared). When looking at my images very critically at pixel resolution I think the AF nails it about 7-8 times out of ten. No jewels needed. The rest of them aren't bad unless I missed something when taking the image and the AF misses completely.

    The only 4/3 lens I own is the Panasonic G20/1.7. Mechanically I totally dislike it. Optically it is better than I expected (that is with the half good, half bad bokeh, the flare and the behaviour under strong UV light I have been informed about included) it to be.

    If you want a camera autofocusing correctly at running horses 4/3 is the wrong system, and has never been the right system.

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    Re: Fun with the G2

    manual focus @ f/1.0 /ISO 800 / 1/400 sec. works for me at night rodeos...with m4/3.

    I like the look, but I am up against the systems technical limits.


    switar 26mm @ 1.1, m4/3 ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y.B.Hudson III View Post
    manual focus @ f/1.0 /ISO 800 / 1/400 sec. works for me at night rodeos...with m4/3.

    I like the look, but I am up against the systems technical limits.
    (image)
    That's a nice image, well taken and processed. But yes, several of us are up against the limits (in different ways).
    I would like a LIVE FF camera. The in-betweens don't interest me. I guess it's just a few years of waiting and in the mean-time 4/3 can do pretty good things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y.B.Hudson III View Post
    manual focus @ f/1.0 /ISO 800 / 1/400 sec. works for me at night rodeos...with m4/3.

    I like the look, but I am up against the systems technical limits.


    switar 26mm @ 1.1, m4/3 ...
    Simply awesome!

    *What good is the system if you don't push it?

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    14-140 vs 14-150 on G2

    Terry could you please advise the AF speed is the same for the 2 lenses. I am using the 14-150/GH1 and the AF is slower.

    Thanks for your confirmation

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Yes, it actually works just all of the m4/3 cameras (with a 4/3 - m4/3 adapter). It has had CDAF support from the beginning.

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    Re: Fun with the G2

    I met up with Terry yesterday so I could see the G2 for a little bit and test it with my Olympus FourThirds SLR lenses (the 11-22 and 35 Macro specifically). Pleased to report that it focuses both accurately (if not quickly).

    From the time I had playing with it, the control re-organization works well, the touch screen control is quite useful, and it is otherwise much the same as the G1 (which I'm by no means done with, it's still doing excellent work for me :-). I think it's worth the cost of acquiring the G2, even disregarding the motion capture potential.

    Since no post on a new product can ever be totally rosy in this internet world, well, I'd have been happy if they completely eliminated the Film Mode selector ... I never use it ... rather than dedicating the left arrow button to it rather than focus pattern choices. But since I hardly change those either (I just leave the camera in face detect mode nearly all the time on AF) what I'd really have preferred is if they left the center knob of the new AF mode/focus mode rotary switch pair as AFS/AFC/MF and the outer lever for FD/CW/Pattern/Spot pattern modes. That might have been a little easier on my fingers.

    But it's really no matter, my fingers will learn what to do.

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    Do any of you use Elements 8 for your imaging? The reason I ask is that despite spending a couple of days trying I can't get it to accept the raw files from my G2.

    I have been on to the adobe Tech Help and although they said "No problem Sir we can sort this for you" they could not get it to work. In the end they said "That G2 and elements don't" This was despite their website saying that Elements 8 version 6.1 was the way to go with the G2.

    Any help will be very much appreciated.

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    I join the club.


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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Cool. Did you have a blue G1? I'm trying to figure out how different the body color is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobler View Post
    I join the club.

    Nice looking adaptor for your contax g 45mm. Who sells/manufactures the adaptor and are you having good results with ease of focus? Don't want to steal any thunder from the G2 thread but I would appreciate a response. If not here then over in the 'Contax G to MFT adaptor - anyone?' thread located at http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11575

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    I do not own a G1 but from all the pictures I see, G1 blue is grey blue but G2 blue is metallic blue. You can see purple and blue on different angle.

    About the adapter, I find it very easy to turn and focus, i got it from ebay seller shamino123. I use a gf1 before with this lens and have great result. G2 is even easier to MF with touch screen, I tap the point on lcd which I want to focus and it will automatically zoom in, adjust focus ring with lcd or evf and press shutter. I am enjoying it so far.

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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Terry and Carl, since you have owned both the G1 and now the G2, do you see any increase in overall IQ when shooting base ISO and RAW?
    Also is the EVF better then the G1?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuau View Post
    Terry and Carl, since you have owned both the G1 and now the G2, do you see any increase in overall IQ when shooting base ISO and RAW?
    Also is the EVF better then the G1?
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    Steven,

    I haven't noticed any big IQ differences between G1 and G2, except that starting colors of raw G2 images in LR seem to have more "punch" than G1 had. I don't know if this is due to the new G2 processor or a difference in the camera profiles that I've been using in LR. G2 ergonomics are much nicer when shooting MF lenses.
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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Thanks Carl,
    Ever since I ditched my 35mm FF DSLR and went MF, I really like the 4:3 format,
    I had a GF1 for a few months but never could get use to the optional EVF and I could never compose using the rear display outdoors, so I am now thinking G1, G1H, or G2.
    On paper, the GH1 scored the best of any 4:3 camera at DXO what ever that means.
    Curious what are some of the top performing MF lenses on the G2? I assume you have to use an adaptor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuau View Post
    Thanks Carl,
    Ever since I ditched my 35mm FF DSLR and went MF, I really like the 4:3 format,
    I had a GF1 for a few months but never could get use to the optional EVF and I could never compose using the rear display outdoors, so I am now thinking G1, G1H, or G2.
    On paper, the GH1 scored the best of any 4:3 camera at DXO what ever that means.
    Curious what are some of the top performing MF lenses on the G2? I assume you have to use an adaptor.

    Steven
    There are many fine legacy lenses that perform quite well on m43 cameras. I like the Contax G lenses (particularly the two planars, 35 and 45), some of the longer leica M mount lenses, Canon FD, Olympus Pen F, etc., etc. There are many threads in this forum describing user experiences with various legacy lenses. There used to be a sticky thread at the beginning of this forum devoted to adapters of all types, but it seems to have been removed.
    Last edited by scho; 18th June 2010 at 17:48. Reason: correction
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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Carl,
    Thanks for the info, any advice on the wide side using legacy lenses? I would like a 24mm, 35mm, and 50mm equivalent.

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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Steven as to G1 vs. G2 agree with Carl the colors seem different and more punchy. I'm using LR defaults and haven't made any custom profiles. I haven't compared the high ISOs. They added one extra stop but not sure what changed between the 1600 and 3200 stops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    I haven't compared the high ISOs. They added one extra stop but not sure (...)
    .... I wish somebody made a quick comparison, raw, same LR settings and then let us know about noise, at high and low ISO values.

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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Quote Originally Posted by kuau View Post
    Carl,
    Thanks for the info, any advice on the wide side using legacy lenses? I would like a 24mm, 35mm, and 50mm equivalent.

    Steven
    I think at the wide end you are probably better off using modern, native m43 wide lenses that are properly designed and distortion corrected. Most of the RF wides do not perform well on m43 resulting in soft corners at best and more often severe edge smearing and distortion.
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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Steven as to G1 vs. G2 agree with Carl the colors seem different and more punchy. I'm using LR defaults and haven't made any custom profiles. I haven't compared the high ISOs. They added one extra stop but not sure what changed between the 1600 and 3200 stops.
    Thanks Terry,
    So IYHO would you say as of today, the G2 produces the best over IQ of any of the m43 cameras out there when shooting at base ISO?

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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    I think at the wide end you are probably better off using modern, native m43 wide lenses that are properly designed and distortion corrected. Most of the RF wides do not perform well on m43 resulting in soft corners at best and more often severe edge smearing and distortion.
    Carl,
    so basically the best options are either the 7-14mm zoom or the less expensive 9-18mm from olympus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuau View Post
    Carl,
    so basically the best options are either the 7-14mm zoom or the less expensive 9-18mm from olympus?

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    I think so, until some wide primes become available.
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    Does anyone know if the G2 will autofocus the following Olympus 4/3 lenses when used with the Olympus adapter:

    14-35mm zoom
    35-100mm zoom
    150mm prime

    It is my understanding that autofocus support for Olympus lenses has been improved beyond just the most recent lenses that support contrast detection focus. However I'm not sure if all lenses are supported. Also if the camera will autofocus the above lenses and anyone has any personal experience do they focus reeeeeal slow, like several seconds, or is it more like a second or two? Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gDallasK View Post
    Picked up a G2 kit at Gatwick Airport on Friday evening and, so far, not much time to play with it - and the weather here in Western Scotland is awful today.

    However, a few thoughts on its physical characteristics :

    - Unlike some others, I never had any problems with the coating peeling on the G1 but the coating on the G2 is quite different and less "sticky" than the G1 (which I liked a lot). Overall the G2 feels more "plasticy" than the G1;

    - the 14-42 kit lens definitely feels much cheaper than the 14-45 lens supplied with the G1. I don't like the plastic mount.

    - Some of the buttons seem to operate less smoothly.

    I believe that Panasonic have taken some cost out of the new model - and that is reflected in build quality.
    That, and the joy of knowing it's Chinese-made instead of Japanese, but the quality more or less shows that for what it is. The salaries of the workers there are about 10x less than the Japanese so why isn't the G2 about $300?

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