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    Fun with the G2

    OK,

    Time for a new camera thread. Just got home and the G2 was waiting. Went through the menus and did my setup and then immediately decided to start testing out the touch screen aspects of the camera. I think the touch screen is going to be more useful that some are thinking.

    In particular, the touch shutter I thought would be weird and instead I think it is going to be really handy. You can't focus all the way at the edges but IRRC (and will double check how close you can get to the edge with the GF1).

    Have to get used to the swipe to move from picture to picture as it isn't as sensitive as my iPhone/iPad. You can touch the screen wherever you want to magnify the view in that area.

    It is going to be really hard to transition from the left key on the four way controller now doing film mode versus focus mode (which is now a dial on the top deck).

    There is now a manual focus guide that shows you if you are moving the lens to closer or further focus. Haven't tried this with a legacy lens yet. Does't give a measured distance scale but in particular the 45 macro can benefit from this.
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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Thanks Terry. I'll be watching this thread.

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    Another cool aspect of the touch screen. Even if you aren't using the touch screen for shot you can still really easily move and resize the focus box. For instance when you touch the focus square it will turn yellow and a scale will appear on the right. Slide the box to where you want it and slide your finger on the scale to resize (or while still yellow the rear dial will increase/decrease the size).

    This stuff seems pretty well thought out and sorted out. I am sure there are going to be suggestions firmware improvements.

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    Re: Fun with the G2

    AUTO ISO ALGORITHM CHANGE !!!!

    With the 20mm lens on the camera the ISO is bumping up at 1/60 on shutter speed
    With my 50lux lens on the camera the ISO is bumping up at 1/125

    Too dark to test long focal lengths to see if any changes to 1/focal rules.

    No Auto ISO on Manual mode.

    Can't find any details in the manual and the PDF version doesn't seem to be posted yet.
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    Terry,
    This is great, thanks for posting these. I am hoping to get one soon and convert my G1 to IR for the summer adventures.

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    Interesting news about the Auto ISO algorithm! How does it know how to adjust properly with your 50lux lens, since it is manual?

    Have you tested the video yet?

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    I need to test some more lenses but seems like it might activate 1/125 when shoot without lens comes into play (adapted lenses with no communication to the body). This is probably a useful/flexible shutter speed for various focal lengths.

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    Glad you got your mitts on the G2! Any observations about higher ISO performance compared to previous Panny and current Oly?

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    thanks terry!

    I'll be watching this thread for info as you move through the camera's capabilities. :-)

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    Congratulations Terry.
    Another new camera . . . I seem to be slipping up badly here, I'll have to think of something to get hrrrrrrm

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    Thank you for these reports Terry. I'm following the thread as I'm interested in a better G1... The rear control dial would be of value to me (I still click and move that front wheel unintentionally). But I hope there is more to the camera. Touch control is OK to me, I think it can be of value from tile to time, as can the new AutoISO algorithm (and why not let the user decide?). The real question is if the image quality is improved. So, what about DR and noise, at both high and low ISO?

    and congratulations,

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    Hi Terry, could you give us some more details on what the manual focus guide feature is. Thanks!

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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Amazon was incredible. I paid for 2 day shipping yesterday and it showed up today! Wow.

    Initial impressions. I really like the EVF, it is much better than the one on the GF1 and is very usable. The touch screen is neat for macro work with non moving objects. I have not tried it out on moving subjects with the focus tracking yet, so no clue as to how well that works. One can still control things from the buttons so much that you could skip the touch screen altogether, but I think I will end up using it frequently as it is faster than pushing buttons to move a focus point. It is not the same technology as on the iPhone and requires a more substantial push. So far I like it a lot.

    I have not done a ton with image quality, but here is a photo of one of the local residents of our back yard at ISO 1600. I did a black level adjustment along with contrast adjustment in Lightroom on an in camera JPG.


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    Quote Originally Posted by edz View Post
    Hi Terry, could you give us some more details on what the manual focus guide feature is. Thanks!
    It is a horizontal line with a mountain (infinity) at one side and a flower (closest focus distance) at the other with a bar showing you where you are. This ONLY works with focus by wire lenses, and does not work with manual focus lenses. I found it to be somewhat helpful, but working with my 45mm macro one time I had trouble manual focusing in spite of it. Switched to auto, got in range and then switched back to manual.

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    Great backyard little critter.

    A lot going on at work this week and got called away unexpectedly. I have all weekend to play around with the camera. Started to take some videos of how the touch screen works but really don't have the time to work with it since I need to leave for the airport in 7 hours which doesn't leave a lot of time for sleep/shower etc.

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    Today I worked with the G2 and a MF lens (Contax G 35mm f/2 Planar) using a tripod. The articulating touch screen was a pleasure to use in this mode. Just tap the screen at the scene location where you want to focus and the magnified view pops up at that point. Focus manually, magnify further with the rear wheel if necessary, and then just touch the shutter release to return to full view. Sample image below.

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    Is the control wheel a little stiffer than on the G1. I still find myself activating the button function when I just want to turn wheel.

    All those with a G2 please respond as this is the only problem I have with the G1 design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Today I worked with the G2 and a MF lens (Contax G 35mm f/2 Planar) using a tripod. The articulating touch screen was a pleasure to use in this mode. (...)
    I know many are shaking their head at the touch screen but this is an example showing why I want one. A minor detail; does the 2-sec delay work when tripping the camera from the screen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin S View Post
    Is the control wheel a little stiffer than on the G1. I still find myself activating the button function when I just want to turn wheel.

    All those with a G2 please respond as this is the only problem I have with the G1 design.

    Martin
    Yes Martin, the wheel is a bit stiffer and works fine in the new location on the back making it much less prone to accidental activation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    I know many are shaking their head at the touch screen but this is an example showing why I want one. A minor detail; does the 2-sec delay work when tripping the camera from the screen?

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    Yes, Jonas the 2- sec delay works when tripping the release from the touch screen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Yes Martin, the wheel is a bit stiffer and works fine in the new location on the back making it much less prone to accidental activation.

    Yes, Jonas the 2- sec delay works when tripping the release from the touch screen.
    All good to hear. I'm in.
    ... and a complaint; the camera body only is available in black only. Darn. I like my µ4/3 cameras blue... lol, what are they thinking about at panasonic



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    Re: Fun with the G2

    We have blue....buy American! Although Euro working against you right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    We have blue....buy American! Although Euro working against you right now.
    I have Swedish Kronas here, they are OK, for now... But American movie enabled G2 cameras are probably Never Twice the Same Color models, right?

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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Ahh forgot about the video issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Today I worked with the G2 and a MF lens (Contax G 35mm f/2 Planar) using a tripod. The articulating touch screen was a pleasure to use in this mode. Just tap the screen at the scene location where you want to focus and the magnified view pops up at that point. Focus manually, magnify further with the rear wheel if necessary, and then just touch the shutter release to return to full view. Sample image below.
    So this gets rid of the multi step manual focusing of the G1...

    Interesting.

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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Yeah, I read that with interest!

    Why can't Carl write those "reviews" for a certain review outfit?

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    t' G2 is more fun than a barrel of monKeys*



    * conclusion drawn after 5 minutes of use with it and an Ultra fast MF Lens...


    * other things of interest... the kit lens focus is quiet and quick...unlike it's cousin, the 20mm 1.7...that still acts live a drunken sailor trying to pole dance...
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    Terry... you have both... which is "more funner"?

    Yikes! I am now thinking of getting the G2 to keep my G1 company...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y.B.Hudson III View Post
    t' G2 is more fun than a barrel of monKeys*



    * conclusion drawn after 5 minutes of use with it and an Ultra fast MF Lens...


    * other things of interest... the kit lens focus is quiet and quick...unlike it's cousin, the 20mm 1.7...that still acts live a drunken sailor trying to pole dance...
    Hudson, Does the new baffle (lightwell) work better?

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    Yehh... Vivek, The baffle is conical with the narrowest opening @ 26.25mmħ; and the depth from the Hawk-2 c-mount adapter to the shutter housing is @ 8.5mmħ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    I have Swedish Kronas here, they are OK, for now... But American movie enabled G2 cameras are probably Never Twice the Same Color models, right?
    The only US version of the Lumix G cameras which does not have a VIDEO MODE output control setting allowing switching between PAL and NTSC is the G1. It's also the only Lumix G camera without video capture.

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    >Never Twice the Same Color models, right?

    Not sure this applies to HD in any way. What applies are the frame rates 25 vs. 29.97. I think in HD you can convert to both NTSC or PAL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    The only US version of the Lumix G (...)
    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    >Never Twice the Same Color models, right?

    Not sure this applies (...)
    Thank you, that's good to know.

    I nearly bit. Then I checked the noise levels and compared to the G1. I'm not sure the touch screen (good) and the moved control dial (great) is that important after all. I'll have to think more about a G2 or not a G2. My guess is that I'll keep thinking until we know more about the GH2 - there's actually nothing wrong with my G1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    - there's actually nothing wrong with my G1.

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    Heh! There is nothing wrong with my G1s either (except the one I killed)..

    -especially after getting the Samsung NX10, I appreciate my G1s even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    Thank you, that's good to know.

    I nearly bit. Then I checked the noise levels and compared to the G1. I'm not sure the touch screen (good) and the moved control dial (great) is that important after all. I'll have to think more about a G2 or not a G2. My guess is that I'll keep thinking until we know more about the GH2 - there's actually nothing wrong with my G1.

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    Nothing wrong with my G1 either however I have really good pricing from Panasonic that made the trade from the G1 to G2 relatively painless at $150....after keeping the original kit lens and selling off the new kit lens.

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    Re: Fun with the G2

    Terry, Any reasons why you like the original kit zoom (other than the metal lens mount and perhaps overall better construction)over the new kit zoom?

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    No,
    I actually haven't even unwrapped the new one. I know my original is fine (even if I don't use it a ton) and so I'm happy keeping it rather than starting over with a new lens.

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    this is c00L... for the times when your point of focus is different than your exposure sampling point...in MF /spot meter/touch exposure... you touch the area you want correctly exposed...Click...awesome.


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    Hudosn, Thanks for your findings. It looks like they are trying to push the advantages of what a mirrorless cam can offer. Good.

    One other question, with spot metering, does the pop up flashes/exposes reasonably consistently while using manual focus lenses (within the limits of the pop up's strength)?

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    yehh.. spot metering with pop-up flash... it works... expose for the subject, and control the background illumination with the aperture...

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    Yehh... Vivek, The baffle is conical with the narrowest opening @ 26.25mmħ; and the depth from the Hawk-2 c-mount adapter to the shutter housing is @ 8.5mmħ...
    To me this sounds as the G2 allows us to use some lenses the G1 did not. (That is without measuring the G1). Is that correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y.B.Hudson III View Post
    yehh.. spot metering with pop-up flash... it works... expose for the subject, and control the background illumination with the aperture...
    Thanks, again!

    This is starting to sound like what have been missing in the original G have been incorporated (except the trivial matter of better sensor with better S/N ratio).

    Can't wait for the G3.

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    Lets say you don't care about video, you don't like the idea or use of touch screens and you see the camera as nothing but a warmed over G1. Is there anything about the images themselves that would recommend replacing a G1 with a G2? thanks!

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    Just a handheld shot with the G2 and 14-42 kit lens on auto ISO (1/40 sec, f/8, ISO 1600).

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    Carl,
    since you still have both a G1 and G2 can you test out the bursts side by side. I had it set to L earlier and it seems like it is easier to shoot moving things like sports because it doesn't seem to give a frozen scene on the LCD. I know there were suppose to be changes in this regard but I haven't read the manual yet.

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    Went out shooting with the G2, actually just enjoying the glorious day....

    I grabbed the wrong lens today. I wanted to shoot with the 14-150 and grabbed the 14-140 instead.

    Shot RAW no changes - straight defaults in LR 3 beta 2. I don't know if it is me dreaming, changes to LR or what but the default color out of the G2 might have a little more punch.


    A few others with minor tweaks

    A little shocking that they were allowed to buzz the area so close together but they made at least a half dozens passes flying this close together.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Carl,
    since you still have both a G1 and G2 can you test out the bursts side by side. I had it set to L earlier and it seems like it is easier to shoot moving things like sports because it doesn't seem to give a frozen scene on the LCD. I know there were suppose to be changes in this regard but I haven't read the manual yet.
    Terry,
    I'll try some burst comparisons between the G1 and G2 tomorrow and report back.
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    Went out shooting with the G2, actually just enjoying the glorious day....

    I grabbed the wrong lens today. I wanted to shoot with the 14-150 and grabbed the 14-140 instead.

    Shot RAW no changes - straight defaults in LR 3 beta 2. I don't know if it is me dreaming, changes to LR or what but the default color out of the G2 might have a little more punch.
    Nice shots Terry and yes, I also noticed that default G2 colors do seem to have more punch.
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    Terry,

    Is PanaLeia 14-150 fully compatible with G2? Thanks,

    Kind regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean View Post
    Terry,

    Is PanaLeia 14-150 fully compatible with G2? Thanks,

    Kind regards,
    Yes, it actually works just all of the m4/3 cameras (with a 4/3 - m4/3 adapter). It has had CDAF support from the beginning.

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    Wow - Carl I just realized your shot was at ISO 1600. How big do you think you can print it acceptably?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Wow - Carl I just realized your shot was at ISO 1600. How big do you think you can print it acceptably?
    Terry, There is some very fine grain luminance noise in the ISO 1600 shots, but when processed in LR3B2 it is easy to eliminate this noise and still retain good image detail using the new luminance noise reduction slider. I could easily make decent prints up to 18x24 from the ISO 1600 images. I had auto ISO capped at 1600, so didn't try any higher ISO shots.

    I tried a few burst comparisons between the G1 and G2, both set to L jpeg mode, and although the G2 might have been slightly smoother with less lag/freezing I couldn't be sure. I don't usually shoot in this mode so my evaluation for sports shooting potential isn't worth much.

    Here is another ISO 1600 image with a 100% crop comparison before/after LR3B2 noise reduction and processing:



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