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    Panasonic Developing 3D Lens for Micro Four Thirds

    http://dpreview.com/news/1007/100728...onic3dlens.asp

    "Panasonic is pleased to announce the development of the world's first* twin digital interchangeable lens. The revolutionary new accessory will make high quality 3D shooting possible with an interchangeable lens system camera for the very first time. As 3D content becomes increasingly popular across a variety of platforms, Panasonic plans to release this new lens for sale before the end of the year to deliver the joy and excitement of 3D shooting to interchangeable lens system camera users.

    The introduction of the 3D lens aims to respond to demands of consumers who want to enjoy 3D shooting for themselves whilst also expanding Panasonic’s range of 3D products. The lens will allow users to capture images in 3D which can then be viewed back using 3D-capable VIERA televisions in the comfort of their own home.

    As consumers slowly replace the main TV set in their house, and as the price of 3D TVs continue to fall, Screen Digest expects that 3D TVs will be in around a quarter of households in major developed markets by the end of 2014.

    Until now, 3D shooting with an interchangeable lens system camera has only been possible by using panorama systems or a combination of two lenses and two CCDs, but these systems have drawbacks including the need for a dedicated 3D camera and the difficulties of capturing moving objects. Panasonic's new 3D lens for the LUMIX G Micro System features two optical systems installed within the diameter of the lens mount, creating stereo images from the left and right lenses, to be processed with a 3D image processing system. Thanks to Panasonic's advancements in optical technology, image processing system, and lens barrel design, the 3D lens still manages to retain an extremely compact size.

    This new compact 3D-capable interchangeable lens allows easier handling and instant 3D shooting, producing 3D images without distortion or time lag between left and right images, even for moving objects."

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    Re: Panasonic Developing 3D Lens for Micro Four Thirds

    If it can do THIS, I'm game!!


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    Re: Panasonic Developing 3D Lens for Micro Four Thirds

    WOW!

    Where to preorder :-)))))))

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    Re: Panasonic Developing 3D Lens for Micro Four Thirds

    Do you guys look at your photos on the television?

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    Re: Panasonic Developing 3D Lens for Micro Four Thirds

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Do you guys look at your photos on the television?
    Yeah, Terry, I often prepare a memorystick with pics, that we enjoy as a "living wall decoration" when we have guests.

    With some quiet music added !

    Really nice feature of many modern plasma or lcd sets nowadays !

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Do you guys look at your photos on the television?
    No. Do you? I would rather see some fast primes in 25 to 45 mm range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Do you guys look at your photos on the television?
    I look 3D photos/videos - most of them self-brewed - with

    Zalman 3D monitor + passive pol glasses

    Acer 3D projektor 1280x720 nativ - with nVidia active pol glasses

    Samsung 40" 3D tv with Samsung active pol glasses


    cameras:

    Fuji Real3D (3D movie 640x480 only)
    Canon IXUS100 pair (3D movie 1280x720)
    DSLRs (Canon 550D, GFH1, NEX5, ...) with macro rail for 3D macros.

    .. 3D makes FUUUUN !

    3D BluRays "Grand Canyon" etc ....

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    3D pictures with NEX5


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    Re: Panasonic Developing 3D Lens for Micro Four Thirds

    Quote Originally Posted by clay stewart View Post
    No. Do you? I would rather see some fast primes in 25 to 45 mm range.
    Agree, the TV is not an output medium for me. I still want to get better at 2D!

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    Re: Panasonic Developing 3D Lens for Micro Four Thirds

    2D/3D projector - 4m x 2.3m ... or bigger?
    2D/3D tv 57" ... or bigger?

    two 3D pictures (with NEX5)




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    Re: Panasonic Developing 3D Lens for Micro Four Thirds

    This is the last thing you need. Better Panasonic/Olympus develop some serious fast pancakes. That would be far more useful to users and helpful to business than such a toy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kds315 View Post
    If it can do THIS, I'm game!!

    Klaus, great photographs!

    What camera and lens used to capture these flowers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagar View Post
    This is the last thing you need. Better Panasonic/Olympus develop some serious fast pancakes. That would be far more useful to users and helpful to business than such a toy.
    To each their own I think. How did you know this is the last thing I need? From this thread I understand some think this new stereo lens is a very good add-on, while some think it is not.

    Myself... well, I'm tired of mediocre pancakes. How good and fast do you think pancake type lenses can be? I hope they make more serious primes. If they need to be a bit bigger to become fast and good I think that is OK. It is enough with the 12, 14, 17 and 20mm pancakes in my opinion. Now bring on the high grade weather sealed APO lenses with good manual focusing abilities, complete with scales for distance and DOF.

    oh yeah... rant over...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagar View Post
    This is the last thing you need. Better Panasonic/Olympus develop some serious fast pancakes. That would be far more useful to users and helpful to business than such a toy.
    Iiiiii don't need pancake - I've Sony TX7 ... not such a toy

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    Not sure which medicore pancakes you used . But when I am referring to serious pancakes, I am expecting something like pentax ltd series. I think if we get that kind of pancakes for m4/3 that would be some real good stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    To each their own I think. How did you know this is the last thing I need? From this thread I understand some think this new stereo lens is a very good add-on, while some think it is not.

    Myself... well, I'm tired of mediocre pancakes. How good and fast do you think pancake type lenses can be? I hope they make more serious primes. If they need to be a bit bigger to become fast and good I think that is OK. It is enough with the 12, 14, 17 and 20mm pancakes in my opinion. Now bring on the high grade weather sealed APO lenses with good manual focusing abilities, complete with scales for distance and DOF.

    oh yeah... rant over...

    regards,

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    Dan, that was an Oly 620 and the 50mm macro if I remember correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagar View Post
    Not sure which medicore pancakes you used . But when I am referring to serious pancakes, I am expecting something like pentax ltd series. I think if we get that kind of pancakes for m4/3 that would be some real good stuff.
    Well, it was you mentioning "serious fast pancakes"...

    The mediocre pancakes I have used are the Olympus 17mm and the Panasonic 20mm. I think they are both supposed to be sort of general purpose prime lenses for µ4/3 users. Then it is a pity none of them comes with an aperture ring or focusing scale, it's a pity the manual focusing is done by wire. Optically they are both decent but not anything special. The Panasonic 20mm is surprisingly "sharp" but that's all. I don't see anything wrong with this though, the lenses work fine and make money for the companies but they are what they are.

    I have owned three of the Pentax limited lenses, the FA31/1.8, the FA70/1.8 and the DA70/2.4. So, I have tried one of the limited pancakes only. Boring stuff. A 70/2.4 would be equivalent to a 140/4.8 with our cameras, the DA 35/2.8 would act as an 70/5.6, the 40/2.8 would act as an 80/5.6 and the DA21/3.2 would act as an 42/6.4. Serious and fast, eh?

    I know I am repeating myself but I want good stuff, like weather shielded fast APO lenses with aperture rings, focusing scales and mechanical focusing. As I said, I'm tired of mediocre pancakes.

    The reason people like the Pentax limited series of pancakes... I think it is about the metal barrel and the good feeling these lenses are to hold in the hand. It's not thanks to their excessive LoCA or so-so performance.

    I still wonder how fast and good and serious a µ4/3 pancake can be?

    regards,

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    Re: Panasonic Developing 3D Lens for Micro Four Thirds

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    Well, it was you mentioning "serious fast pancakes"...

    A 70/2.4 would be equivalent to a 140/4.8 with our cameras, the DA 35/2.8 would act as an 70/5.6, the 40/2.8 would act as an 80/5.6 and the DA21/3.2 would act as an 42/6.4. Serious and fast, eh?

    regards,

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    I believe a 70/2.4 would be equivalent to a 140/2.4 where the focal length doubles and the aperture remains the same. . . . . . 40/2.8 = 80/2.8, 35/2.8 = 70/2.8 and the 21/3.2 = 42/3.2.


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    Yes Dan, fully correct, a f2.4 stays a f2.4 lens on whatever camera it might be used. Someone got the lens physics wrong ... as the f-number simply is the (inverse of the) effective diameter of the input pupil divided by the focal length of that lens. Both are defined by the lens design and not by its later use on any camera or sensor system.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-number

    And no, the focal length does NOT double, but the angle of view is reduced proportionally to the sensor size vs. the designed image diameter. So a 100m lens stays a 100mm lens stays a 100mm lens...on whatever camera used. Just the part of that image used gets smaller....
    Last edited by kds315; 29th July 2010 at 11:06.

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    Oh well, as discussed many times the f-stop is useful for setting the lens for an exposure value and seen that way f/2.4 is f/2.4 however one tries to twist it.

    When speaking of equivalency (which some hates) we compare to what another lens would do when used with a FF (which is a short some hates) camera and then DOF exposure value, ISO value, noise and FOV all are taken into account. That's why I said "would act" in my post above.

    I was thinking everybody understood, between the lines, as we were discussing some hypothetical "serious, fast pancakes" which is something I have never seen in real life. I'm sorry for not being clear.

    And now the interesting thing happened... we were all correct at the same time (except for that FL getting doubled which is a minor) - so life really is grand.

    Cheers,

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    Yeah, great. If that makes you happy... by why then hijacking that thread about stereo lenses?

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    . . . . . what I know in the universe of knowledge could fill a thimble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kds315 View Post
    Yeah, great. If that makes you happy... by why then hijacking that thread about stereo lenses?
    Thank you. Yes, it makes me happy knowing what I am talking about.

    There is no end to how sorry I am for everything in this thread...

    My first reply in this thread was a reply to sagar who claimed a 3D lens was the last thing I needed saying "This is the last thing you need. Better Panasonic/Olympus develop some serious fast pancakes. That would be far more useful to users and helpful to business than such a toy."

    I reacted to that, all parts of it. The discussion went a bit off topic indeed. That was partly my bad.

    Can we get this back on topic you may wonder. Indeed. When I read the Panasonic Press release about this 3D lens I wondered about the focal length of this twin lens. Did I miss something there?

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    Re: Panasonic Developing 3D Lens for Micro Four Thirds

    Fabulous news! Combined with the touch scream of G2, this would make for nice toys!

    The conversion lens looks gorgeous!

    Way to go Pana!

    PS: Where is my G3?

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    Is there anyone knowing about focal length? I also wonder a little about the short distance between the two lenses (admittedly I don't know exactly how it is supposed to work though, the only 3D attempt I have done was a long time ago with a 50mm on an SLR and then taking two images moving the camera about 10cm between the shots).

    Any comments on this new Panny tool/gadget/toy? Basically, will it work well?

    @Vivek,

    If your G3 is weather shielded and comes with two wheels, a sensor with global shutter and much improved noise I also want one. Otherwise I wonder where my G4 and high performance fast primes to go with it are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devon Shaw View Post
    .....Panasonic is pleased to announce the development of the world's first* twin digital interchangeable lens
    If it can do this .....

    (Crossview!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olybold View Post
    If it can do this .....
    Olf-Lyken B.
    That's a very nice 3D image Olf-Lyken!

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    @ Jonas

    Thank you!

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