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    Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    What more can one wish for ?

    No more hunting around, you can just order it brandnew!

    And it looks perfect and no adapters needed.

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    Nokton, of course.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by koji View Post
    What a beautiful collection of lenses you have!
    Will surely get back to your link, very interesting.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Nokton, of course.
    Hmmm, €899, seems status symbol ... like Rollex ... for stupid men ...

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    Thanks Michiel

    I rather want to have a new lens than old ones. Cosina also announced new
    M-mount lens Heliar classic 75mm F1.8, 75,000 yen. Stephen Gandy will accept
    $100 deposit (refundable) for this new lens.

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    Dang, I should have made a better effort to sell my extra Angenieux 25/0.95 while the prices were high That new one should be interesting. But I have to say that in the beginning I was hunting for these ultra fast lenses but came to realize they are really specialty lenses. Living in always-sunny Hawaii, many of my fast lenses don't even get used to their full potential as soon as I get outdoors.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    I wonder why they don't make the lenses with Canon and Nikon mounts? They could sell a lot more to people who don't have the option of lens interchangeability. Even Sony would be more volume. Maybe they don't have the production capacity?

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    Is this lens confirmed??

    I looked at the image, but for 25mm, the DOF scale is too narrow and it looks like that of 75mm F1.8... 25mm lens has deeper DOF, so the scale should not start with F4, which is in the picture...

    Well, if it's true, that's a great news and I would love to try one.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Since this lens seems to be designed specifically for the m4/3 format, there's potential that it will perform as well as the PL 20mm or other m4/3 specific lenses, in regards to corner/edge softness/smearing, right?!?

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by khiromu View Post
    Is this lens confirmed??
    I asked myself the same question. I found nothing when checking Voigtlander and Cosina.

    Maybe later, or it is a fake. Strange.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokton 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by hot View Post
    Hmmm, €899, seems status symbol ... like Rollex ... for stupid men ...
    So, what's your less status symbol like alternative, we don't know about?

    Some TV lens you can buy very accidently for no money?

    It is not priced like a Leica Noctilux and for a little more it will surely be a whole lot better then that Noktor/Navitar.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by yellofit View Post
    Wow! The press release dated August 26, 2010 by Cosina says it will become available in October, 2010. It marks the beginning of Voigtlander Brand m4/3 lenses!

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    EUR 899 seems rather high. The Australian Voigtlander distributor estimates the local price will be AUD 895, which at today's exchange rates is equivalent to EUR 625, GBP 511, and USD 794.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    I think Cosina now understand that they have little chance of making any cash on adapters as there are better and cheaper alternatives from China.

    Good to see them making an entry in to the smaller format with a special purpose lens.

    I would like to see something for the NEX mount also.

    Jonathon's price indication looks good.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I would like to see something for the NEX mount also.
    I hate the 50mm FoV so this lens in m4/3 mount is of zero interest. But if the same design also covered an APS-C sensor -- and was released in (say) an NEX version -- I'd be sorely tempted.

    Hopefully, Cosina will design more interesting focal lengths for m4/3...

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    On the contrary, I love the 25mm FL on the m4/3rds.

    This lens might join my other 4 or 5 f/0.95 25mm lenses for the m4/3rds.

    Unless Sony takes care of the aliasing problems, such fast lenses on the NEX would be a waste.

    My SOM-Berthiot 25/0.95 on the NEX-5 sensor records a lot of mush at 0.95 which does not happen on the G1s, including the hacked one without any of the UV/IR/AA filter stack.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Leica 77 View Post
    Wow! The press release dated August 26, 2010 by Cosina says it will become available in October, 2010. It marks the beginning of Voigtlander Brand m4/3 lenses!
    . . . . . do not read Japanese but on the page it does mention Y95,000 which does translate into $1124.00 US.

    It is great to see Voigtlander step into the micro four thirds market with a native mount. I hope the quality is equal or surpasses that of the 'LTM' and 'M' mount lenses that I own with this new product launch.


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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    The pricing in Australia is very good and the 25mm f/0.95 is cheaper than the 50mm f/1.1 plus no need for an adapter. What more could you ask for?

    I wonder if it is chipped to give feedback to the camera?

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Looks nice:

    GH1 + 0.95

    http://vimeo.com/14440116

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    Great news - I very much like the results of using my Nokton 50/1.5 on both my GF-1 and my M8. However, I'd hang onto my cash until after Photokina as there are rumours of more primes from Panasonic and they (of course) would support AF.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by clark666 View Post
    I wonder why they don't make the lenses with Canon and Nikon mounts? They could sell a lot more to people who don't have the option of lens interchangeability. Even Sony would be more volume. Maybe they don't have the production capacity?
    Hi Clark
    of course they do make them (for Zeiss). I would guess that their agreement with Zeiss would preclude such things . . . and anyway, they'd only be competing with themselves!

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokton 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by clark666 View Post
    I wonder why they don't make the lenses with Canon and Nikon mounts? They could sell a lot more to people who don't have the option of lens interchangeability. Even Sony would be more volume. Maybe they don't have the production capacity?
    The Voigtlander SL II series lenses are available in Nikon Ai-S (now CPU integrated), Canon EOS, and Pentax K mounts.

    From the dimensions of the Nokon 25 f/0.95 it wouldn't have the coverage for full-frame mounts.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    What more can one wish for ?
    No more hunting around, you can just order it brandnew!
    And it looks perfect and no adapters needed.
    Michiel
    Nokton, of course.
    The news has quickly reached different parts of the world, following the announcement by Cosina yesterday. Here is an image I saw at one of the Chinese web sites today:


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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by hot View Post
    Looks nice:

    GH1 + 0.95

    http://vimeo.com/14440116
    Nice video!

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokton 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterB666 View Post
    The Voigtlander SL II series lenses are available in Nikon Ai-S (now CPU integrated), Canon EOS, and Pentax K mounts.
    Of course they do Peter - thanks for the correction of my failing brain!

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterB666 View Post
    From the dimensions of the Nokon 25 f/0.95 it wouldn't have the coverage for full-frame mounts.
    I'm sure you're right about this as well.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by hot View Post
    Looks nice:

    GH1 + 0.95

    http://vimeo.com/14440116
    It sure is a GH1 + 0.95 in that video but I do believe it is an Angenieux. Let's hope the Voigtländer 25/0.95 covers the sensor better...

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokton 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterB666 View Post
    (...)
    From the dimensions of the Nokon 25 f/0.95 it wouldn't have the coverage for full-frame mounts.
    When thinking of the Canon EF 24/1.4 it is actually hard to imagine a 24/1 for a FF camera.
    The Nokton 25/0.95 should be small though thinking of all the small, but somewhat corresponding 50/2 lenses for FF. Oh oh. negative thinking, I know. But here is hope for decent performance wide open...

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    An autofocus Cosina Voigtländer lens. Nice.

    Or ...

    A dedicated M4/3 mount optic that is manual focus. Odd.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Cameraquest now taking pre-order deposits on this lens. They note the following:

    "This is an original manual focus M43 lens with full electronic coupling to M43 cameras. Being made to the M43 standard, it will be compatible with ALL M43 cameras!"

    The "full electronic coupling" is encouraging and I hope it permits engagement of magnified focus simply by turning the focus ring at a minimum.
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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    That is disappointing news to me. "Full electronic coupling" would let Cosina adjust for light fall off, distortion, CA, etc just like any other m4/3rds lenses thusfar.

    I am not even sure if these are "complete" optics.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    (...) "This is an original manual focus M43 lens (...)
    Thanks scho

    I'm surprised Cosina Voigtländer didn't grab the chance to enter autofocus technology.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post
    Thanks scho

    I'm surprised Cosina Voigtländer didn't grab the chance to enter autofocus technology.
    There has been only one f/1 auto focus lens (Canon 50/1, no longer made) and that did not use contrast detect AF.

    I would think a 25/0.95 AF lens would be a disaster.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    You mean it can't be done ?

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    We don't know what "full electronic coupling" really is, do we? I'm pretty sure Gandy doesn't know either.

    I hope this means the max aperture, FL and working aperture is reported to the camera and not much more. Automatically magnified viewfinder mode is OK as it can be turned off, automatic aperture is probably not present as there is no A position on that aperture ring.... well, again, we'll have to wait and see.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Steen, As witnessed by the two AF primes for the m4/3rds, it can be done.

    Would the AF be effective or useful is another matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post
    You mean it can't be done ?

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    There has been only one f/1 auto focus lens (Canon 50/1, no longer made) and that did not use contrast detect AF.

    I would think a 25/0.95 AF lens would be a disaster.
    Why is that? I would think a lens with a lot of aberrations wide open can fool the AF. With not a lot of aberrations I think highest contrast = correct focus.

    I can also think of AF systems automatically refocus when the aperture is changed (to compensate for focus shift, if any), or AF systems turning off the AF in certain situations telling the user to focus manually, and so on.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    We don't know what "full electronic coupling" really is, do we? I'm pretty sure Gandy doesn't know either.

    I hope this means the max aperture, FL and working aperture is reported to the camera and not much more. Automatically magnified viewfinder mode is OK as it can be turned off, automatic aperture is probably not present as there is no A position on that aperture ring.... well, again, we'll have to wait and see.
    This will be very easy to check with this lens. Since there is no need for all these info (FL, aperture etec) for a camera to know before a picture can be taken, one can always tape off the electrical contacts (of this lens) and see if corrections are applied by the camera software like they do for the 17/2.8 and the 20/1.7.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post

    I can also think of AF systems automatically refocus when the aperture is changed (to compensate for focus shift, if any), or AF systems turning off the AF in certain situations telling the user to focus manually, and so on.
    Do you know of a contrast detect AF system that does that?

    As is, my 20/1.7 struggles with AF and is quite audible as well.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    What more can one wish for ?

    No more hunting around, you can just order it brandnew!

    And it looks perfect and (...)
    Cosina joining the µ4/3 clan and doing it with a manual 25/0.95 lens is, simply put, great news.

    My prediction: The 25/0.95 will become a classic. Later when Cosina have added AF and are making lenses in dire need of software corrections we'll all be happy we bought our 25mm Noktons.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Do you know of a contrast detect AF system that does that?

    As is, my 20/1.7 struggles with AF and is quite audible as well.
    No, I say I can think of an AF system doing this. G3?
    Our 20/1.7 lenses are cheaply made. Of course they struggle sometimes.

    I once started a thread here asking for higher quality µ4/3 lenses, calling them "limiteds" as I think. Not many were interested. So, I'm happy Cosina has made at least something. I hope the 25/0.95 will perform about as good as their bigger 50/1.1. Then one can hope for more to come.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    That is disappointing news to me. "Full electronic coupling" would let Cosina adjust for light fall off, distortion, CA, etc just like any other m4/3rds lenses thusfar.

    I am not even sure if these are "complete" optics.
    think you are making a big leap here... until Oly and pana announce firmware updates that specifically address this new lens - because I am sure they didn't build f.95 into their original specs - i would most likely bet that full electronic coupling will be more related to EXIF data and proper f stop shown on the info screen.

    cheers

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by kevinparis View Post
    think you are making a big leap here... until Oly and pana announce firmware updates that specifically address this new lens - because I am sure they didn't build f.95 into their original specs - i would most likely bet that full electronic coupling will be more related to EXIF data and proper f stop shown on the info screen.

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    Re: Voigtländer Nokto 25/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by kevinparis View Post
    think you are making a big leap here... until Oly and pana announce firmware updates that specifically address this new lens - because I am sure they didn't build f.95 into their original specs - i would most likely bet that full electronic coupling will be more related to EXIF data and proper f stop shown on the info screen.
    While electronic connection would let the camera know there was a lens on the mount and what focal length it is and all that stuff, the lens correction metadata system depends on parameters delivered from the lens to the body. Neither Olympus nor Panasonic should have to do anything other than receive the data and utilize it.

    But this lens is evidently simply a manual lens with a Micro-FourThirds mount. No information to the camera at all. It's still a good thing, but a long way from a fully integrated mFT lens.

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