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    GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    They have come out with the GF2 to replace my GF1, giving in to current dumb-down trends.
    The camera is essentially the same, function wise except for the addition of stereo sound and
    a more powerful movie function. In exchange, they deleted the function dial on top which I find
    very useful on any still camera and went to a touch screen while removing most of the dedicated
    buttons. Apparently, they wanted to ape the quirky Sony NEX series.

    Too bad.

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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    I'd have to agree, given the first looks I've seen. The sensor is supposed to be improved, but until I see files, I am not convinced...

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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    Cannot say anything about the sensor quality of the GH2, but I assume it will be at least as good as Gh1 and give higher resolution. This is just usual with new sensor technologies (BTW not only sensors )

    But with regards to any wheels and operations controls this is a very subjective thing, I do myself prefer wheels above touch screens, but I think we have to accept, that we belong to a kind of dying race

    Just my 5c

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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    but I think we have to accept, that we belong to a kind of dying race
    More opportunities for Fuji and similar companies.

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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    Some of these decisions are cost-related, some are marketing-related. Offering a touch screen may actually do both...they probably couldn't reduce size by the claimed 19% without the touch screen.
    Last edited by monza; 5th November 2010 at 13:32.

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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    Panasonic has made a habit of going down-market with their follow-up cameras, as anyone who bought an L1 only to see it replaced with an L10 will attest. :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Some of these decisions are cost-related, some are marketing-related. Offering a touch screen may actually do both...they probably couldn't reduce size by the claimed 19% without the touch screen.
    This was in my eyes exactly the wrong marketing decision- They should have gone for 2 GFx2 models, one same size as GF1 with all controls, bells and whistles possible and the 18MP sensor and a cheaper and smaller one like the GF2 they brought now with reduced controls or/and touch screen.

    Bloody marketing there

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    I personally am glad Panny made the GF2 the way they did.
    I'll keep my GF1 and save money by not getting this new ...Uh..Uh upgraded version.
    Besides, now the money can go to Fuji for the X100.
    Thanks Panny for listening to all the request from your loyal GF1 users.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    This was in my eyes exactly the wrong marketing decision- They should have gone for 2 GFx2 models, one same size as GF1 with all controls, bells and whistles possible and the 18MP sensor and a cheaper and smaller one like the GF2 they brought now with reduced controls or/and touch screen.

    Bloody marketing there
    ++1!

    . . . . . and an improved external view finder! I do wish they kept the GF series in line with the GH as far as sensor, firmware, and controls . . . . .

    The GF1 is fantastic but I'll take a pass on the GF2 . . . . . . can only hope that they come back and do more with the GF series to make me what to come back into the fold.

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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    Quote Originally Posted by Streetshooter View Post
    I personally am glad Panny made the GF2 the way they did.
    I'll keep my GF1 and save money by not getting this new ...Uh..Uh upgraded version.
    Besides, now the money can go to Fuji for the X100.
    Thanks Panny for listening to all the request from your loyal GF1 users.
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    ++1!

    The GF2 will most likely be successful for some other market segment but they certainly have turned-off a segment of the GF1 current users.

    . . . . . hopefully there is a GF2.5 waiting for a spring release!

    I won't be holding my breath . . . . .

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    I think the camera naming got wrong expectations and all so negative publicity.
    If panasonic had called it G-FL1 or whatever it would have received bit warm welcome

    From what I have read so far it looks like Panasonic is targeting Olympus E-PL1. And by the naming convestion looks like Pany are moving GFs to E-PL1 level and keeping Gxx lines as higer level.

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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    I know I am the lonely wolf out there, but . .

    Ricoh got it right with the GXR. Provide a body with all the features and controls that a serious photographer wants - and provide lenses and sensors as the best technology becomes available.

    The lovely new 28mm should be available now. My 50mm macro takes wonderful images. Both lenses with nice large sensors. For my travel kit I also pack the P30 28-300 zoom. If Ricoh introduces the much speculated m-mount sensor only kit, watch out

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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    The shrinking and loss of some features vs the GF1 doesn't bother me if my premise is right and there is another model coming. I think it is all about addressing each market segment.
    Personally, except for AEL/AFL lock button (which the touch screen can brilliantly compensate for), there aren't a lot of external controls that I'm looking for. ISO/WB/shutter speed/aperture/EV are still all external controls. How much more do you really use when shooting (the majority of the time)?
    Last edited by Terry; 6th November 2010 at 18:25.

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    Snow White and the many mirrorless cameras

    This camera is too dumbed-down
    This camera is too small
    This camera has no EVF
    This camera's EVF is too crude
    This camera's sensor is poor at high ISO
    -and so on it goes. The perfect small-footprint camera has not appeared.
    But more are coming. If some intrepid company figures out how to put a high-resolution EVF into a package the size of the GF-1, and produces a really flat pancake lens, then they will be on the right track. The Holy Grail is (IMO) a pocketable camera with interchangeable lenses, configured as above but with the option of using normal sized lenses with fast focus motors.

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    I can't get into the GF2/compact camera crusade.
    I just want to make photographs. I'll carry a brick to do it if I have to. :-)

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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    Even if 10% of internet forum members had such a sense, discussions on forums would have been at totally different level. Most of the folks get infected by gear syndrome (been there done that)

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I can't get into the GF2/compact camera crusade.
    I just want to make photographs. I'll carry a brick to do it if I have to. :-)

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    Shutterbug Magazine just reviewed the G2 which has a touch screen. The reviewer complained that fingerprints blurred the clarity of the screen requiring frequent wiping.
    He also questioned the longevity of the touch screen compared to simple buttons.
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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    It seems the functionality of the LVF on the GF2 is compromised since you have to switch to LCD mode to make menu adjustments.
    I'll wait for the GF3 thank you very much.

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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    Thom Hogan has some interesting predictions for 2011 and since he's often correct, I assume he has good connections in the industry (probably more so with Nikon but....). He predicts a GP version that is closer to what many are talking about in various forums. Whether he has some info or its more a gut feeling from watching the industry for so long I don't know but i'm more than happy to wait since that's what I had planned anyhow. If not Panasonic, maybe Olympus--but a lot of changes in a short time have happened and it seems another year of some of the same.

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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    Is it just me or are GF1s at absolute bargain prices and make mine worth maybe 1/3 of its original purchase value. Seems sometimes it would be best to stay one model back with your purchases, the lure of the latest is costly.

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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    Is it just me or are GF1s at absolute bargain prices and make mine worth maybe 1/3 of its original purchase value. Seems sometimes it would be best to stay one model back with your purchases, the lure of the latest is costly.
    . . . . . a quick look showed them to be around 679.00 with the zoom and 689.00 with the 20mm.

    I will not be selling my GF1 for some time, picked it up last March and paid list price. No regrets a great camera and has done everything that I wanted it to do. I am glad I didn't wait and miss the experience I had with it over the summer.

    It's only money and some times you got to spend it . . . . .

    . . . . . or it just might be GAS!

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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    Is it just me or are GF1s at absolute bargain prices and make mine worth maybe 1/3 of its original purchase value. Seems sometimes it would be best to stay one model back with your purchases, the lure of the latest is costly.
    G1, it is, for me.

    Pana/Oly, etc are yet to come up with a better choice. Besides, the lack of versatile small sized flash and such make me wonder why these companies bother making a "system" camera in the first place.

    It would be better to be churning out P&S versions in various colors and matching straps....

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    I have the G1 and the GF1, and love them both. The GF2 is of no interest to me, and I don't think it was intended to. I see nothing negative about expanding the m4/3 platform to other, perhaps less serious, photographers ... just as long as Panasonic doesn't forget us in the long run. I will still look forward to an L1 style m4/3 body.

    By the way, how well do those touch screens work with gloves on?
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    "sometimes it would be best to stay one model back with your purchases,"

    Indeed, in this age of eBay you could buy and sell with little drop if you were careful.

    A bit like cars (in the UK anyway) where only those with more cash than they need tend to by New.

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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    Quote Originally Posted by RonSmith View Post
    I have the G1 and the GF1, and love them both. The GF2 is of no interest to me, and I don't think it was intended to. I see nothing negative about expanding the m4/3 platform to other, perhaps less serious, photographers ... just as long as Panasonic doesn't forget us in the long run. I will still look forward to an L1 style m4/3 body.

    By the way, how well do those touch screens work with gloves on?
    That's where I am at this point-with both and holding. There's enough 'stuff' out there to give me reason to expect something more suited to my wants down the road.

    BTW I did see something about a touchscreen being developed to use with gloves. Believe I read it on Engadget.

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    I too love the GF1 and have very little interest in the GF2. Hoping a GF3 will be the successor to the GF1 that we here are looking forward to... better sensor, better EVF.. just that alone would make for a wonderful for a GF3. Adding the touch screen controls option is fine, but please leave the camera-top controls as they were with the GF1.
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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    Quote Originally Posted by DHart View Post
    I too love the GF1 and have very little interest in the GF2. Hoping a GF3 will be the successor to the GF1 that we here are looking forward to... better sensor, better EVF.. just that alone would make for a wonderful for a GF3. Adding the touch screen controls option is fine, but please leave the camera-top controls as they were with the GF1.

    ++1!

    . . . . . they can make it a little bigger if they have to, just keep the same body style and put in the updated sensor and firmware with an internal or upgraded external viewfinder and I will be purchase one in a heartbeat.

    Can only hope that panasonic heads in that direction!

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    Re: GF2; a dumbed down GF1?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    Is it just me or are GF1s at absolute bargain prices and make mine worth maybe 1/3 of its original purchase value.
    indeed ... not to mention G1 and GH1 ... as a long time G1 owner I just lashed out and got myself a GH1

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