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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    These Otters were far away. The photo is a crop from a GH2 photo at 275mm.

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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    Uwe, you and Mark are definitely demonstrating how to get the best out of this lens.

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    Fat Robin on Wall

    At last, a half-decent (not full-decent) shot a full zoom with the 100-300. Unfortunately, to get the speed I needed to set iso to 1250 which introduces so much noise it does tend to destroy the resolution.

    But I am at least encouraged by the feather detail and if the expected sun does appear over the next couple of days I may even be able to lower the iso and still maintain the aperture speeds necessary to get sharper results.

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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    Louis -

    That shot at 1250 looks pretty clean to me.....and sharp. A bit more sun will definitely help (ISO and shutter speed)....but I would say that it's a keeper.

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    Definitely worth waiting for some sunshine and the ability to use a much slower iso - these were at iso400 and 320 respectively, both at 1/200 ... oh and spot metering as well. All on GF-1.




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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Uwe, you and Mark are definitely demonstrating how to get the best out of this lens.

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    Thanks. This lens is clearly much better than a heavy and large lens that I would not want to use :-) (let alone the price, I have to wait till I can afford a Sherpa :-) ).
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    And I'd like to say that never has a post on an internet forum had me so interested in a lens........ The only limiting factor for me would be that I perhaps don't shoot long enough, often enough to justify the price (my Olympus 40-150 gets used a few times a year at most and I'm generally happy with the results plus rarely need to shoot longer). I find the bokeh from the Panasonic lens very attractive and imagine the OIS would be useful on my E-PL1.

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    First pic with 100-300. it arrived thurs. so I went out and gave it a shot.
    Ooc, no pp.
    G-1 iso 400.

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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    This time on a GH1:



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    Quote Originally Posted by saintsteve View Post
    First pic with 100-300. it arrived thurs. so I went out and gave it a shot.
    Ooc, no pp.
    G-1 iso 400.
    Great shot. I wouldn't be a fat goose this close to Christmas!

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    Jake, taken at 1/15th sec @ 265mm:



    300mm hand-held


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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    Glenn -

    Nice kitten shot.....handheld at 1/15.

    I have heard comments that the OIS doesn't make that big a difference at 300mm.

    What do you think?

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    Glenn -

    Nice kitten shot.....handheld at 1/15.

    I have heard comments that the OIS doesn't make that big a difference at 300mm.

    What do you think?

    R
    Interesting to see it work here. I'm unconvinced so far when usuing OIS with the lens and it even states in the manual it may be of little use.

    I do like the bokeh on this lens which is an unexpected bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich M View Post
    Glenn -

    Nice kitten shot.....handheld at 1/15.

    I have heard comments that the OIS doesn't make that big a difference at 300mm.

    What do you think?

    R
    The OIS isn't perfect but it does help a bit, I read somewhere that using Mode 2 works better with this lens but I haven't had a chance to try it yet as it's so dull here just now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    The OIS isn't perfect but it does help a bit, I read somewhere that using Mode 2 works better with this lens but I haven't had a chance to try it yet as it's so dull here just now.
    I'm a bit confused as to what my viewfinder is telling me when I have the OIS switched on with this lens. The green 'shaking hand' appears but when I press down on the shutter button to focus and meter, the hand invariably turns from green to red. I assume this indicates that for some reason the OIS cannot cope?

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    I'm a bit confused as to what my viewfinder is telling me when I have the OIS switched on with this lens. The green 'shaking hand' appears but when I press down on the shutter button to focus and meter, the hand invariably turns from green to red. I assume this indicates that for some reason the OIS cannot cope?

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    I can't get mine to do that (on a G1). However in certain conditions the green hand turns to a shaking red camera. Does the aperture and shutter speed also flash red in the bottom of your viewfinder? If so, it might suggest that at the settings being used, the camera and not just the OIS, is not able to produce a good image.

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    Owl From Living Desert Palm Springs CA
    300mm f 5.6 1/320 handheld
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark1958 View Post
    Owl From Living Desert Palm Springs CA
    300mm f 5.6 1/320 handheld

    Unreal!
    Life is an infinite series of moments called..."now".
    My job is to capture them.

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    Owl From Living Desert Palm Springs CA
    300mm f 5.6 1/320 handheld
    Love it. Having this lens for these moments is worth it.
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    Owl From Living Desert Palm Springs CA
    300mm f 5.6 1/320 handheld
    Very good indeed. I really think this lens shines on the GH-2 where both the resolution of the sensor and the extra stops in sensitivity bring out the best.

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    >and the extra stops in sensitivity bring out the best.

    Yes having higher ISO available helps. Still often use it now with the GH1 to have one camera with this focal range available fast.
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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    Quote Originally Posted by mark1958 View Post
    Owl From Living Desert Palm Springs CA
    300mm f 5.6 1/320 handheld
    Mark.......so sharp......great capture. I am still surprised with the pleasant bokeh.

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    Scenic Shots

    Just some more examples from my 100-300. This time as a landscape and street lens.








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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    Louis, these look very hood. Is the second one, the one with the boats, as sharp as it seems? Would it be possible to post a 100% crop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Louis, these look very hood. Is the second one, the one with the boats, as sharp as it seems? Would it be possible to post a 100% crop?
    Jorgen, they have all benefited from some sharpening in pp. I use Nik Sharpener in CS3 to sharpen and lift the contrast. I can't really attest to the sharpness of the lens as I think you could only really test it on a tripod at full zoom. These were handheld.

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    I am getting to like this lens, very much

    I am getting to like this lens very much. A bit of an afterthought, I threw it with my GF-1 into the top of my backpack when I went out to photograph fields today not expecting much from its performance. I was really surprised to find the number of keepers I captured with this lens. These are two of them.

    iso200 108mm f5.6 1/200 - LR3.3>B&W>CS3>Lab Space>Soft Light>Nik Sharpener>Resize


    iso200 100mm f5.6 1/250 - LR>levels>CS3>Lab Space>Soft Light>Nik Sharpener>Resize

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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    Beautiful photos, Louis. This lens looks like an increasingly viable option.The camera shop was sold out last time I visited (and I ended up buying the 7-14 instead) but it's now on my list.

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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    Downtown Gilroy (GH2 + 100-300mm)





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    Uwe, You're an enabler in your own right. You've got me looking at the 100-300...

    ken

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    >You've got me looking at the 100-300...

    That is dangerous :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Beautiful photos, Louis. This lens looks like an increasingly viable option.The camera shop was sold out last time I visited (and I ended up buying the 7-14 instead) but it's now on my list.
    Here in the UK the price seems to have dropped. When I first started looking only only one source had it below GBP 500, now everyone has it on or about GBP450. Good luck finding one - I hope the price has also reduced in your country too.

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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    So I finally got my GH2 and had some time to compare the GH2/100-300mm to my Canon 1DsII with 100-400mm L. The results were very surprising to me. The Panasonic GH2/100-300mm combo was stunningly good, and absolutely held its own to the Canon Combo.

    Test conditions:
    Everything on a tripod (Gitzo 3 series) using remote release, Image stabilization off, and mirror lockup for the 1DsII. Auto focus was used for both, but the focus point was set for the same flower (the one shown in the images below). Images shot indoors with natural light at about a distance of 15-20 feet. Images captured in Raw formats, opened with Lightroom 3 with no sharpening or noise reduction applied. They both sharpen up a lot with some small local contrast addition using Dfine, but that is subjective so I left that out. Here are some crops from shots taken at about 200mm on the Panasonic and 400mm on the Canon. I took shots at f/5.6, but the canon images were ever so slightly blurred. I am guessing I was too fast with the shutter release after mirror lockup, so I do not think that shot was indicative of the lens/camera combo. So I used the f8.0 shots taken below. My first reaction was wow, the Panasonic really had equal or even slightly better detail. The panasonic enjoys a slightly greater depth of field which we would expect. The color renderings were really different and surprised me with both cameras being on auto and the lighting did not change in the few minutes between shooting with each setup. The canon is much warmer. The one area which will be hard to see in these is the shadows. The Canon has some banding, while the Panasonic is, to my eye, cleaner. I will have to see if I can show that later. Overall, I am very impressed with the GH2 and the 100-300mm.

    Full image from GH2/100-300mm:


    Crop from GH2/100-300mm at 200mm f/8.0


    Crop from 1DsII/100-400mm at 400mm f/8.0
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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    I have been shooting my G1/GH1 side-by-side with my Canon 1DMk3/1DsMk3 on photo trips for almost a year now. My results (prints up to 17X22) have proved that the Panasonic M4/3 can be very good when compared to a system costing almost 10X. That was mainly for outdoor shooting, landscape type of shots with tripod and decent lighting.

    For any fast actions photography that demands critical AF, I still fall back to my Canon system to be sure to have high % of keepers. The AF performance of the GH2 improves a it over g1/GH1 but it is not there yet.

    The Panasonic GH2/200mm will have quite a bit more DOF than the Canon 1DsMk2/400mm. Assuming everything else being enough, it is no surprises that the Panasonic shots appears to be 'sharper'. I still have not been able to get my own 100-300 lens yet. My copy of Canon 100-400 is probably the worst performers, especially shooting wide open, among my other Canon super tele lenses.

    $ for $, the Panasonic is the best for me today. I am finally committed to the M4/3 system. Can't wait to get my order of the Panasonic 100-300 and the Voigtlander 25f0.95 !!
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    +$ for $, the Panasonic is the best for me today. I am finally committed to the M4/3 system.

    +1

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    'Cp' that is a very interesting comparison. Quite surprising really. I bought the 100-300 because, what they hey, it is fun to have such a large telephoto which is so portable and compact but I am beginning, like you, to be very impressed. Especially since using it as a landscape lens.

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    I am very impressed too by these comparisons!

    I am still arguing for myself to further go with M43 or NEX. The NEX hight still have a certain advantage at higher ISO, but if I compare the complete "package" I can get today with the GH2 and the much broader selection of lenses, then the M43 seems to become the winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slau View Post
    I have been shooting my G1/GH1 side-by-side with my Canon 1DMk3/1DsMk3 on photo trips for almost a year now. My results (prints up to 17X22) have proved that the Panasonic M4/3 can be very good when compared to a system costing almost 10X. That was mainly for outdoor shooting, landscape type of shots with tripod and decent lighting.

    For any fast actions photography that demands critical AF, I still fall back to my Canon system to be sure to have high % of keepers. The AF performance of the GH2 improves a it over g1/GH1 but it is not there yet.

    The Panasonic GH2/200mm will have quite a bit more DOF than the Canon 1DsMk2/400mm. Assuming everything else being enough, it is no surprises that the Panasonic shots appears to be 'sharper'. I still have not been able to get my own 100-300 lens yet. My copy of Canon 100-400 is probably the worst performers, especially shooting wide open, among my other Canon super tele lenses.

    $ for $, the Panasonic is the best for me today. I am finally committed to the M4/3 system. Can't wait to get my order of the Panasonic 100-300 and the Voigtlander 25f0.95 !!
    Stephen,

    I agree with most of the comments, but the the increase in DOF is not as much as has been made out to be on the web. I have looked at that carefully here and I do not believe that the difference in detail and sharpness are a function of the DOF in this case. The advantage I have is a whole series of images with different F stops to compare. My take was they were very similar. Given some other comments on the 100-300 in this thread, one would not expect this lens to hold up at all to an L lens selling for over $1000. But it did.

    The big surprise for me was the shadows. There is banding in the 1DsII's shadows, and none in the GH2. Given the comments on the lower ability to recover highlights in the GH2, I suspect that the Panasonic biased their data to allow for more shadow recovery and less highlight recovery than Canon.

    AF is definitely improved with the GH2. It is night and day different. Not as good as the best out there, but I do not shoot sports or birds in flight that much, so I can give that up at this point.

    Overall, on a tripod, this is quite a combination. I will have to work on handheld technique with it a bit more, but that is looking good as well. I already enjoy the low weight/compact aspects of the system, and now it is growing in capability. I agree with being eager to get my Voigtlander 25mm f0.95!

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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    I was nicely surprised of the images from my borrowed 100-300 lens. Even with the GH1, it retains so much details and it is more than I expected. With the GH2's new sensor, the new lens definitely shines even better. Yes, it is a keeper for sure. Shooting at the 300mm focal length takes some more practice to show the full potential of the lens.
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    This was a grab shot - and is straight out of the camera, only resized in CS3 (no additional sharpening).

    GF-1 100-300 1/160 f5.6 iso400 286mm


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    >more than I expected.

    I second that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    +$ for $, the Panasonic is the best for me today. I am finally committed to the M4/3 system.

    +1

    Don't forget: Weight by weight and size by size
    I can't find the post where you say you are going to try m4/3 for all shooting but am interested in following your thoughts on it since you work with so many systems. I will have to make some decision at some point to move from my FF Canon gear and though I have quite a bit of m4/3 gear, native and legacy lenses and accessories, 2 bodies, I guess I'm trying to make the decision to move to GH2 or wait. If I do, that will probably be where I leave the Canon world %>). I also am interested in doing some video and actually understand what I'm doing there LOL. So far the 100-300 hasn't been on my radar but now I'm paying more attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    Uwe, You're an enabler in your own right. You've got me looking at the 100-300...

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    Isn't he????? I hadn't even considered the 100-300 before.

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    >going to try m4/3 for all shooting but am interested in following your thoughts on it since you work with so many systems.

    2011 will tell. So far I am quite happy. But also that I plan to use an AF100 for video (comes hopefully this week) gives m4/3 a center role.
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    I like this shot despite higher ISO it demonstrates what a long lens can do creatively to obtain a composition not possible on foot

    Nice shot

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    This was a grab shot - and is straight out of the camera, only resized in CS3 (no additional sharpening).

    GF-1 100-300 1/160 f5.6 iso400 286mm

    Wow thats a great shot Lois and with the GF1 a somewhat ungainly pair

    This shot just pops sharp too

    I'm wondering about this lens now (current 45-200 owner)

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    I am very impressed too by these comparisons!

    I am still arguing for myself to further go with M43 or NEX. The NEX hight still have a certain advantage at higher ISO, but if I compare the complete "package" I can get today with the GH2 and the much broader selection of lenses, then the M43 seems to become the winner.
    I would got m43 Oly and Pany have great lenses in m43 now not to Mention D series Leica Panasonic or the HG SHG from Oly these 43 lenses are some of the best lenses ever made

    Doubt the NEX will ever have the lens selection sure you can use adapters and legacy lenses but who wants that not me.

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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    Quote Originally Posted by boyzo View Post
    Wow thats a great shot Lois and with the GF1 a somewhat ungainly pair

    This shot just pops sharp too

    I'm wondering about this lens now (current 45-200 owner)
    Thanks, Boyzo, that is what I thought which is why I posted it as is. Amazing for what was nothing more than a p&s shot!

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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    Went out to the jump zone this afternoon....I wanted to become more familiar with this lens on the GH2 with moving targets.

    I tried a number of various sized single focusing points vs. multiple and AF-C vs AF-S. These are AF-S, single shot, single focus point, +2/3EV @ 300mm, handheld (of course). I didn't get many keepers w/ AF-C.....even when I went the "spray and pray" approach. Possibly this was due to the random (or actually less predictive) motion of the parachutists.

    I am also finding that the stiff (not smooth) zoom ring is loosening up nicely over time.

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