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    Glenn & biglouis, nice shots you just posted! Were those with tripod or without?

    Has anyone out there used the 100-300mm with an E-PL1? I know it would be quite unbalanced, but I'm not worried about that. I would like to have the reach for surfers, birds, etc. Assuming there is plenty of ambient light and I can hold the camera steady enough, are there any technical issues with this combo, e.g., any AF issues?

    I'm not looking for Peter Lik IQ, just comparable to the samples in this thread. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 330toSRT8 View Post
    Glenn & biglouis, nice shots you just posted! Were those with tripod or without?

    Has anyone out there used the 100-300mm with an E-PL1? I know it would be quite unbalanced, but I'm not worried about that. I would like to have the reach for surfers, birds, etc. Assuming there is plenty of ambient light and I can hold the camera steady enough, are there any technical issues with this combo, e.g., any AF issues?

    I'm not looking for Peter Lik IQ, just comparable to the samples in this thread. Thanks.
    Here's some surfing.....handheld, GH2, 1/1000, ISO400, 286mm



    Not as sharp as a FF camera and a 500mm prime with IS.....but c'mon, do we REALLY expect to equal that?

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    very nice!! much nicer than the snow and gray sky outside here.

    i originally wondered if the link was broken, until the image suddenly appeared about 90 seconds after the text!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 330toSRT8 View Post
    Glenn & biglouis, nice shots you just posted! Were those with tripod or without?
    Thanks, glad you like them, hand held, I was in a hotel restaurant and the feedr was outside in the garden so I just snapped through the window.

    Rich M - great surfing shot and I totally agree about IQ, who needs better for the size and weight of M4/3 gear.

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    Rich, those are very nice shots.

    This is probably one of my best shots so far using the 100-300. To answer the poster above the camera is mounted on a Manfrotto monopod.


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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post

    This is probably one of my best shots so far using the 100-300. To answer the poster above the camera is mounted on a Manfrotto monopod.
    Louis......very nice, sharp with nice feather detail. The bokeh is not at all distracting.

    Question......do you leave the OIS on when you shoot on the pod? Timer or CR?

    And thanks for the kind comments on the surfing shot......it was pretty funny being out on the beach with a legion of white lenses. There was a lot of WTF looks. I don't delude myself into believing the the GH2/100-300 combo is comparable to my Canon kit.....but the other kit was HOME and this one wasn't.

    Regards.....R

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    That is a really fabulous bird...what variety?
    How far away were you? how cropped is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich M View Post
    And thanks for the kind comments on the surfing shot......it was pretty funny being out on the beach with a legion of white lenses. There was a lot of WTF looks. I don't delude myself into believing the the GH2/100-300 combo is comparable to my Canon kit.....but the other kit was HOME and this one wasn't.

    Regards.....R
    It's probably only a question of time until either Olympus or Panasonic launches a 300mm f/2.8 or f/4 for this system. I guess f/4 is the most probable, since Olympus got a lot of criticism for not designing such a lens for the original 4/3 system. I'm quite sure that from an image quality point of view, a lens like that will represent serious competition for any 500 or 600mm prime from Canikon at a third of the weight and price, or even less.

    We will still get those WTF looks, but apart from a tiny bit more DOF, there will be little real world difference in image quality unless we are going to print very, very large.

    Edit:
    I just calculated the difference in DOF. A full frame camera with a 600mm f/4 wide open will have 1.65m DOF at a 50m distance, while a GH1/2 with a 300mm f/4 will have 3.32m. If the 300mm is f/2.8, it's 2.34. Seen from 50 meters away, these are small differences. There will of course be full frame enthusiasts who claim that they don't like lightweight equipment and that the 5 kilograms of a 600mm f/4 helps them take better photos, but I don't think they take that lens on holiday, although I might be wrong

    I'll mount the Nikkor 300mm f/4 on the GH1 next time I'm around town.
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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    It's probably only a question of time until either Olympus or Panasonic launches a 300mm f/2.8 or f/4 for this system. I guess f/4 is the most probable, since Olympus got a lot of criticism for not designing such a lens for the original 4/3 system. I'm quite sure that from an image quality point of view, a lens like that will represent serious competition for any 500 or 600mm prime from Canikon at a third of the weight and price, or even less.

    We will still get those WTF looks, but apart from a tiny bit more DOF, there will be little real world difference in image quality unless we are going to print very, very large.
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    Rich and Terry, thanks for the comments.

    Rich - I was using a monopod (not a tripod) and I did not turn off the OIS. Perhaps someone can clarify whether you need to turn it off when using a monopod (I believe you are supposed to turn it off when using a tripod)?

    Terry - I was about 10 feet away from the bird. It is about 50% of the frame (is there a way to find out in LR how much of the frame you are cropping?). The bird is very common in the UK: a Starling. Actually, the head is slightly out of focus at 100% - I did capture other frames which were perfectly in focus but I thought this shot had more character.

    I am amazed what you can produce with the 100-300 but it does take a lot of practise (which I know is true of many lenses I have owned over the years). I'd like to do more bird photography as it is a lot fun and I'm as pleased as punch that I can experiment with it for such a relatively low investment.

    Rich - Your comment about the other photographers and their kit made me 'lol'. I won a photo competition last year and the prize is a day out with a professional wildlife photographer at a bird sanctuary in the UK. I bet I get a few raised eyebrows when I whip out the GH-2 and the 100-300 :-) Actually, I reckon my M8 will also cause great amusement!

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    Something a bit different, at 183mm


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    Hi all, here are my first test shots with the 100-300mm. Ordered it from Amazon on Monday and it arrived Tuesday.

    Both shots are on the E-PL1, completely handheld, fully extended lens (300mm), iso 100, f6.3, 1/200 s, Mega O.I.S. off, body IS on. Taken from my balcony. Deer were approximately 100 ft away. Both shots taken in RAW, imported into LR3, cropped to leave about 75% of original, auto tone, clarity & vibrance increased.

    Based on what I've read on this forum, the recommended shutter at 600mm equivalent would be 1/600. Unless I misread. Anyhow, 1/200 probably sounds crazy, but it's gloomy here in MD, so I didn't have much choice.

    Feel free to critique, even if they're the worst shots you've ever seen. I can take it. :-)




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    I like this shot, but apparently it's time to get the VF-2 so I can ensure precise focus. The LCD just doesn't cut it.

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    330toSRT8, it takes a bit of time to get the best out of the lens, although I suspect a viewfinder would also help. Are these jpegs out of camera? I only ask because they could do with a small amount of sharpening. I've shot down to 1/200 at 600mm but that is using a monopod. Hand held, the lowest I would go for is 1/320 but you are right that 1/500 and above will yield better results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    Something a bit different, at 183mm

    Nice!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    330toSRT8, it takes a bit of time to get the best out of the lens, although I suspect a viewfinder would also help. Are these jpegs out of camera? I only ask because they could do with a small amount of sharpening. I've shot down to 1/200 at 600mm but that is using a monopod. Hand held, the lowest I would go for is 1/320 but you are right that 1/500 and above will yield better results.
    These are converted from RAW. Specifics on the tiger are: ISO 200, 300mm, F5.6, 1/320 s. Manual focus is so difficult on the low resolution LCD that I didn't even attempt it for any of these shots.

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    Hello, two pictures with GH2 + 100-300 at 300mm.




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    Quote Originally Posted by 330toSRT8 View Post
    These are converted from RAW. Specifics on the tiger are: ISO 200, 300mm, F5.6, 1/320 s. Manual focus is so difficult on the low resolution LCD that I didn't even attempt it for any of these shots.
    BTW, I wrote '600mm' but of course, I meant 300mm (just did the crop factor conversion in my head as I was writing).

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    Two pictures with GH2 + 100-300 at 300mm




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    Louis... it's great to see that you are now getting from the lens what was seemingly elusive at first... your images with it are super crisp and beautiful... congrats on that. I don't have the 100-300 as yet because I haven't yet found the need, but someday I think I will wind up with one. Good thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHart View Post
    Louis... it's great to see that you are now getting from the lens what was seemingly elusive at first... your images with it are super crisp and beautiful... congrats on that. I don't have the 100-300 as yet because I haven't yet found the need, but someday I think I will wind up with one. Good thread!
    Don, thanks for the comment. In fact there are a lot of outstanding examples here from many contributors. The one thing I will say with this lens is that you do need to practise with it. It is not going to yield immediate results but as your technique improves then it will result in great images.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    The one thing I will say with this lens is that you do need to practise with it. It is not going to yield immediate results but as your technique improves then it will result in great images.

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    +1

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    National Museum of Natural History.

    200 ISO, 300mm, F9.0, 1/250 s


    1600 ISO, 183mm, F5.0, 1/250s

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    are those in the orkin zoo??

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    Quote Originally Posted by lcubed View Post
    are those in the orkin zoo??
    Are you asking about the two butterflies in the most recent post? If so, those are in the Butterfly Pavilion on the 2nd floor of the National Museum of Natural History in Washington DC. Usually the Smithsonian Museums are free, but this butterfly exhibit was $6 per person.
    http://www.butterflies.si.edu/

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    What camera did you use for the butterfly shots? I'm thinking of a GH2 + 100-300 as a macro lens. Have you tried to add close-up lenses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagarmatha View Post
    What camera did you use for the butterfly shots? I'm thinking of a GH2 + 100-300 as a macro lens. Have you tried to add close-up lenses?
    I used the E-PL1, body IS off, 100-300mm lens Mega O.I.S. on. The minimum focus distance is 4.9 ft. I did find myself having to back up several times in order to get the lens to lock focus. I'm not sure what you mean by "add close-up lenses." Other lenses I own include 14-42 Oly kit, 7-14mm Panasonic, and 20mm Panasonic.

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    Well I mean e.g an Olympus MCON40 with a diopter of +2.5
    Or Raynox 150/250 with diopters +4.8/8.0
    A Raynox 250 at 300 mm will give you a print magnification of 2*300/125=4.8
    Not bad!
    On my current FZ50 I get 5*88/125=3.5 in print magnification.
    I wonder if a GH2 will lock focus quicker and better?

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    Fist half decent day in a long time, (been drab)and got a couple of shots off.
    Was getting concerned with the 100-300, but there may be hope.
    Needs a lot of light, at least for me.
    This is hand held, subject 130' -(40+ meters) away.

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    GF1 + 100-300mm at 100mm

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    Excellent shot, really works for me
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    Fun with Panasonic 100-300 - In India

    Well there are certainly some great shots in this thread... Mark you astound me with the quality you can get on those little twitchy birds.

    I purchased the 100-300mm three weeks before heading to India for 3 weeks on the 27th of December. We had a tour arranged, some of the normal tourist sites, but I particularly wanted to see if I could shoot a Bengal Tiger in the wild. For this reason mainly, I purchased the 100-300mm Lumix as soon as I could find one on line, paid premium for it, but I needed the reach... it was worth it I think.

    One of the locations we were travelling to on the tour was Nagarhole National Park in the SW of India, and I hoped we would at least have a chance. I decided that the D300 and heavy glass was not what I wanted to lug around, so the two Lumix bodies, GH1 and GH2, 100-300mm, 7-14mm, 20mm and the 14-140mm were in the bag.

    We were lucky, late in the afternoon close to sunset we cruised slowly close to shore of the lake around the national park, there were elephants, wild boar, spotted deer and wow... a tiger, beautiful male.

    The light was fading, he was well back from the shore in scrub, but I did my best and the GH2 and 100-300 Lumix did their best. No, they were not as good as the best fast lenses would have been on the D300, but I got the shots of a lifetime... IMHO.. they pleased me, but will not ever grace a coffee table book! regardless... here are some for comment. Exif on the image page.

    Remember, they were shot Hand Held, from a 8 person small boat, in poor to just before sunset light. At least these are as good as I could see, and the best that I saw from all the group, including one E3 Oly with a 70-200mm 2.8 Zuiko.

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    Just a comment re a Coffee Table Book ....... if you print one your self so that you have a personal book of your trip of a lifetime, it can indeed grace your coffee table. Just takes a little time and TLC, I do it once a year for my studio shoots, and exercise in vanity, but I do it anyway! www.blub.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by djonesii View Post
    Just a comment re a Coffee Table Book ....... if you print one your self so that you have a personal book of your trip of a lifetime, it can indeed grace your coffee table. Just takes a little time and TLC, I do it once a year for my studio shoots, and exercise in vanity, but I do it anyway! www.blub.com

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    Kodak also does a wonderful job of these....as an option

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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300 - In India

    Quote Originally Posted by Matix View Post

    Remember, they were shot Hand Held, from a 8 person small boat, in poor to just before sunset light. At least these are as good as I could see, and the best that I saw from all the group, including one E3 Oly with a 70-200mm 2.8 Zuiko.

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    Phil.......very, very nice. I'll be going to SA in a few months. It's a constant internal debate raging in my head.....Canon APS + 400mm or this combo.

    You're helping to resolve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich M View Post
    Phil.......very, very nice. I'll be going to SA in a few months. It's a constant internal debate raging in my head.....Canon APS + 400mm or this combo.

    You're helping to resolve it.

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    Thank you very much Rich. I would recommend the lens, but with reservations... in all honesty it struggles to get focus in lower light, not unexpected of course, but I found that keepers were about 10% of all shots taken. The GH2 would beep and lock focus, but it was not focussed even with the smallest zone set, firmware fix?

    The ones in good sunlight, such as the Spotted Deer shot were good, but the less light, the less the quality and sharpness.

    Sorry the Exif did not show up, here it is in order top image to bottom.

    GH2, f/7.1 @ 127 mm, 1/1000, ISO 800
    GH2, f/7.1 @ 201 mm, 1/1600, ISO 800
    GH2, f/7.1 @ 264 mm, 1/500, ISO 800
    GH2, f/7.1 @ 188 mm, 1/125, ISO 3200
    GH2, f/7.1 @ 228 mm, 1/100, ISO 3200

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    Great set Phil, personally i love the end of day light, the elephant shots are beautiful mate, thanks for sharing them.


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    Great set Phil, personally i love the end of day light, the elephant shots are beautiful mate, thanks for sharing them.
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    Thanks Mark, my pleasure.... I have uploaded many from the trip, all taken with the GH1, GH2.... and Lumix lenses.

    India was very challenging, hazy skies and dull sun for the north, and the bus we spent much of our time in did not have opening windows and the seats had white covers. I used the circular polarizer a lot, but missed many shots. I shot RAW and Jpg, most uploaded images are RAW converted with LR 3.3 and then Capture One Pro 6.1 when support for the GH2 was added.

    I fought continuously with the GH2 and the touch screen changing my focus point at the wrong time, that is an issue that needs adressing. When shooting fast changing street scenes from a moving vehicle, no time to check the settings on the focus point when a snap image is needed.

    While the Lumix 14-140mm is a perfect range travel lens, it is just too slow for dull lighting and fast shooting.... but, it did the job. Most used lenses were the 14-140mm and 7-14mm, I had the 20mm and 100-300mm as well, but they were very specialized.


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    Quote Originally Posted by djonesii View Post
    Just a comment re a Coffee Table Book ....... if you print one your self so that you have a personal book of your trip of a lifetime, it can indeed grace your coffee table. Just takes a little time and TLC, I do it once a year for my studio shoots, and exercise in vanity, but I do it anyway! www.blub.com

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    Thanks Dave, I have downloaded the book creator software.. will take a look at that, may make a great gift idea..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matix View Post
    Thanks Mark, my pleasure.... I have uploaded many from the trip, all taken with the GH1, GH2.... and Lumix lenses.

    India was very challenging, hazy skies and dull sun for the north, and the bus we spent much of our time in did not have opening windows and the seats had white covers. I used the circular polarizer a lot, but missed many shots. I shot RAW and Jpg, most uploaded images are RAW converted with LR 3.3 and then Capture One Pro 6.1 when support for the GH2 was added.

    I fought continuously with the GH2 and the touch screen changing my focus point at the wrong time, that is an issue that needs adressing. When shooting fast changing street scenes from a moving vehicle, no time to check the settings on the focus point when a snap image is needed.

    While the Lumix 14-140mm is a perfect range travel lens, it is just too slow for dull lighting and fast shooting.... but, it did the job. Most used lenses were the 14-140mm and 7-14mm, I had the 20mm and 100-300mm as well, but they were very specialized.


    http://photos.photo-matix.com.au/f1003535074

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    Your not the first to complain about the touchscreen, i have had a problem with touching it by mistake quite a few times myself, it needs a firmware fix to add a software button that disables the touch focus point feature, just like the button we have to disable the one touch focus and shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark1000 View Post
    Your not the first to complain about the touchscreen, i have had a problem with touching it by mistake quite a few times myself, it needs a firmware fix to add a software button that disables the touch focus point feature, just like the button we have to disable the one touch focus and shoot.

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    Yes, this can be a problem. On the other side changing the focus point with one touch is nice.
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    Just amazed again at what can be captured with the GH-2 and the 100-300. These Goldfinches were quite tame and allowed me to get fairly close to photograph them. They were really chowing down on the seeds - either they are brave birds or very greedy!




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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    Both at 300mm, hand-held:




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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    Looking at the samples here (including my own - haha!) I can't believe how good this little lens is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Looking at the samples here (including my own - haha!) I can't believe how good this little lens is.

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    Yes, this is a nice lens (balancing price, size, weight and quality).
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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    I love this lens because I can reach for subjects otherwise out of my reach. Ok, that is not new. But in such a small package it is. We have the 100-300mm now always with us.

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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    One more, today - Long Tailed Tits feeding on suet balls (GH-2)


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    Re: Fun with Panasonic 100-300

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    One more, today - Long Tailed Tits feeding on suet balls (GH-2)
    This lens is starting to look seriously good. The photographer too

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