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    Fun with the m43 Voigtlaender 25mm f/0.95 lens

    One of our first tests with the Voigtlaender 25mm f/0.95 lens. Shot wide open.

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    Uwe.. How does this lens compare to the Panasonic Leica D 25mm and the Panasonic 20mm 1.7?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark1958 View Post
    Uwe.. How does this lens compare to the Panasonic Leica D 25mm and the Panasonic 20mm 1.7?

    Way to early to tell. I got it mostly for video.
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    Re: Fun with the m43 Voigtlaender 25mm f/0.95 lens

    I know, it is not my thing to know but anyway... When spelling the trade mark Voigtländer we see some different ways to do it:
    1) Voigtländer (as it should be spelled)
    2) Voigtlander (as some have a problem with the dots above the a)
    3) Voigtlaender (which is a way to make a simple phonetic variation)

    I like the first the best. As a Swede I have no problems with the German "ä". But it is more common to see the second version which is the short Internet way to simply skip the dots. The third, and the one used here, is nice, works fine for me, but will seldom generate a hit when searching a forum or eBay, for example.

    CV works, commonly, as a short for Cosina Voigtländer. Maybe the good folks over at the rangefinder forum(s) are most familiar with this short.

    CV Nokton 25/0.95 may not be a very good thread title. Or it may?

    Uwe, your name sounds German to me, but your choice was Voigtlaender... I'm not sure but I think it may be a good idea to ask a mod to switch the title of this thread to
    Fun with the Cosina Voigtlander Nokton 25/0.95.

    Here is one taken in a way the lens probably is not supposed to be used in, wide open for sunny landscapes...

    Above: G1, CV25, f/0.95, 1/4000
    I'm in the learning to know the lens -process. Some LoCA is removed and that accentuated the ugly horizon line.

    regards,

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    Re: Fun with the m43 Voigtlaender 25mm f/0.95 lens

    Jonas,
    Did you need an ND filter to shoot wide open.

    Also, laziness on the spelling for us Americans who have to go and find the dotted A under special characters .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Jonas,
    Did you need an ND filter to shoot wide open.

    Also, laziness on the spelling for us Americans who have to go and find the dotted A under special characters .
    I don't even know where to find special characters.

    Jonas, that lens looks to be pretty sharp wide open. hmmm...

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    I wonder about the ND filter also and hate to admit it, but I rarely add the dots--lazy American too LOL. I can with Ipad, Voigtländer, but generally type without.

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    . . . . . the Voigtlander 25/0.95 is a wonderful lens . . . . .


    Ava & Lindsay


    GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 -- ISO 200 -- f0.95 -- 1/4000


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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Jonas,
    Did you need an ND filter to shoot wide open.
    Also, laziness on the spelling for us Americans who have to go and find the dotted A under special characters .
    No ND filter. The image was taken early in the morning, the sun was just up, and I got away with the short shutter time.

    A Swedish keyboard is well suited for µ4/3 and Voigtländer. We are all lazy and if there hadn't been an "ä" right at my right pinkie I would spell Voigtländer without the dots as well. But it should always be µ4/3. I dislike "MFT".

    Quote Originally Posted by wjlapier View Post
    I don't even know where to find special characters.
    Jonas, that lens looks to be pretty sharp wide open. hmmm...
    Well, that's lazy. Please go find out about that...
    No, the CV25 isn't "sharp" wide open in the way most modern internet pixel peepers judges "sharp". It is just "good enough" and small web images are always sharp, aren't they? The CV25 is about as "sharp" as the PL25, in the center and f-stop by f-stop. A PL25 is of cousre the Panasonic Lumix Leica D Summilux 1:1.4/25 ASPH. Abbrevs are good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    I wonder about the ND filter also and hate to admit it, but I rarely add the dots--lazy American too LOL. I can with Ipad, Voigtländer, but generally type without.
    OK, let's see it this way; being lazy is the greatest force behind all innovations. For the good and the bad...

    Cheers,

    /Jonas

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    Re: Fun with the m43 Voigtlaender 25mm f/0.95 lens

    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    One of our first tests with the Voigtlaender 25mm f/0.95 lens. Shot wide open.

    Uwe, is that image from the same place you took the video of a robot doing something? I like the hydraulics and all the other details there!

    Quote Originally Posted by seakayaker View Post
    . . . . . the Voigtlander 25/0.95 is a wonderful lens . . . . .
    For me it is the lens letting me have the most fun with the camera; it comes with some annoying flaws one has to think about, the focus throw is on the short end but it is manual, it is fast for our cameras and it is sharp enough, simply put good enough and with some personality. I haven't used my PL25 since I got the Voigtländer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjlapier View Post
    I don't even know where to find special characters.
    On Mac OS X with the US English keyboard, the "dots" (or Ø :: German umlaut marking) are added to vowels by typing Optiion-u and then the target vowel. EG:

    Umlaut-a :: type 'option-u' then 'a' = ä
    Capital Umlaut-u :: type 'option-u' then 'shift-u' - Ü

    Note:
    Open System Preferences and choose the International panel, Input Menu tab. Turn on the Keyboard Viewer and/or Character Palette tools. That puts a drop-down menu into the menu bar. If you choose the Keyboard Viewer, pressing the Option key will highlight all the available two-key press diacritical marking character keys. Once you know where the modifier keys are, it's easy to type characters such as č, é, ü, ä, ń without having to search for them.


    Oh yeah, the lens looks nice. ;-)

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    >3) Voigtlaender (which is a way to make a simple phonetic variation)

    I try to use this version as I am German and my name is Steinmüller. But in the US my name is now Steinmueller. For me typing Umlaute is too much of a hassle :-). Ue and Ü sound exactly the same and you really have to know what maybe right or wrong.

    In the old times (before the 80s) Vogtländer was a household name for cameras.
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    My kids watch very little TV .


    GH2, 25mm Nokton wide open

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amin View Post
    My kids watch very little TV .

    GH2, 25mm Nokton wide open
    Amin.....you know what surprises me about the shot of your kids and Uwe's shot of the workshop is that wide open (0.95.....which is pretty unbelievable) is the fairly wide depth of field.

    Somehow, I would have thought that the plane of focus would be razor thin.

    Seemingly not the case......any comments on that?

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    >Seemingly not the case......any comments on that?

    I am surprised too. But then think that this is the DOF of a 25mm wide angle lens. Ever shot a 25mm on FF 35mm for shallow DOF?

    You have to get close (not sure was full open but likely 1.4). Too bad there is no EXIF info.



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    Rich, I think it's about right considering that a 25mm f/0.95 lens in this format should give similar DOF to a 50mm f/2 lens in 35mm format... or, as Uwe said, considering that it is a 25mm lens (irrespective of format).

    This lens has a very short minimum focus distance, though, so the DOF can be very thin indeed. This wasn't even at the minimum focus distance:



    Here's one from relatively close:


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    I too am surprised about DOF I am seeing, especially in Jonas' shot, as DOF of 25mm lens @ F1 is only third of a foot at 5 feet.

    However, it is impossible for me to comment with certainity as I neither know exact distances nor can see these shots at 100% SOOC.

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    . . . . . all taken wide open . . . . .


    GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 -- ISO 400 -- f0.95 -- 1/2500


    GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 -- ISO 200 -- f0.95 -- 1/20


    GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 -- ISO 200 -- f0.95 -- 1/10


    GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 -- ISO 200 -- f0.95 -- 1/15


    GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 -- ISO 200 -- f0.95 -- 1/1300


    GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 -- ISO 200 -- f0.95 -- 1/640


    Damm, I love this lens, worth every penny, JMHO




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    Quote Originally Posted by seakayaker View Post
    Damm, I love this lens, worth every penny, JMHO
    Same feeling here even though I have seen some people say price is unreasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoranC View Post
    I too am surprised about DOF I am seeing, especially in Jonas' shot, as DOF of 25mm lens @ F1 is only third of a foot at 5 feet.

    However, it is impossible for me to comment with certainity as I neither know exact distances nor can see these shots at 100% SOOC.
    Thinking about it I may have been 2 meters and then somewhat away from the nearest buoy. It seems about right to me thinking of the situation and what my 5D and a 50/2 should have done in the same situation. I can take some more controlled images of a measure tape if you guys think it is needed (but is it really for the Fun with... thread)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    Thinking about it I may have been 2 meters and then somewhat away from the nearest buoy. It seems about right to me ... I can take some more controlled images of a measure tape if you guys think it is needed ...
    No measuring tape needed, it is just that perception of DOF on shot you posted does not seem to be adding up, at 6 ft distance DOF would have been approximately half of a foot and perception from shot posted is that DOF in it is much bigger, it seems that at least whole buoy, if not more, fits in it.

    ... but again, it is much harder to say when not looking at 100% SOOC shot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    (but is it really for the Fun with... thread)?
    Why not? I thought 'Fun with ...' threads are not only about sharing shots with some lens but also about educating oneself about certain lens so when shot is posted that seems in contradiction with what one thought DOF on this lense would look like it is to be expected questions will be asked.

    P.S. Now you got me curious. I have both 25/0.95 on EP2 and 50mm prime on FF (D700). I have to make a note to myself to do some controlled side by sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoranC View Post
    No measuring tape needed, it is just that perception of DOF on shot you posted does not seem to be adding up, at 6 ft distance DOF would have been approximately half of a foot and perception from shot posted is that DOF in it is much bigger, it seems that at least whole buoy, if not more, fits in it.

    ... but again, it is much harder to say when not looking at 100% SOOC shot.


    Why not? I thought 'Fun with ...' threads are not only about sharing shots (...)

    P.S. Now you got me curious. I have both 25/0.95 on EP2 and 50mm prime on FF (D700). I have to make a note to myself to do some controlled side by sides.
    As I recall it there was 2+ meters between me and the nearest buoy. The buoys are about 30cm in diameter, not big at all. I found the result more or less as I anticipated. I cant go back and measure everything as the image is taken about 60km from where I live. Hence my offer to take an image of a measure tape.

    Well, I have tried with 50 and 100mm lenses on µ4/3 and FF. The surprise I got was that the theories were so close to the practical results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    As I recall it there was 2+ meters between me and the nearest buoy. The buoys are about 30cm in diameter, not big at all.
    For some reason they looked bigger than that to me

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    Hence my offer to take an image of a measure tape.
    Thank you for the offer but I personally do not need it. However, if you want to help _all_ members downloadable SOOC copy of that shot would be great.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    Well, I have tried with 50 and 100mm lenses on µ4/3 and FF. The surprise I got was that the theories were so close to the practical results.
    I am not surprised that _DOF_ ended up what calculations said it would be, after all laws of optics are laws of optics. Side by side I am interested to do is one of rendering.

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    Cactus Garden ~ Conservatory ~ Volunteer Park


    GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 -- ISO 400 -- f0.95 -- 1/4000



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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoranC View Post
    For some reason they looked bigger than that to me

    Thank you for the offer but I personally do not need it. However, if you want to help _all_ members downloadable SOOC copy of that shot would be great.

    I am not surprised that _DOF_ ended up what calculations said it would be, after all laws of optics are laws of optics. Side by side I am interested to do is one of rendering.
    Nah, I think posting a sooc image for download is of little use considering that the exact distances and sizes aren't known. My offer to shoot something known from a known distance and include a measuring tape stands.

    I'm happy some can understand the equivalence theory. That has been a problem earlier here when discussing the CV25. I hope I'll be able to find some time having fun with the lens next week.

    Ciao,

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    Quote Originally Posted by seakayaker View Post
    Cactus Garden ~ Conservatory ~ Volunteer Park
    Dan, I liked that!, and also several other images in your 160 picture or so CV25 Flickr stream.

    /Jonas

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    Really great to see all these examples of this lens. Definitely on my horizon.

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    Uwe......very nice.

    Looks like Bodie....is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich M View Post
    Uwe......very nice.

    Looks like Bodie....is it?

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    Not Bodie. This is the San Juan Bautista State Park (maybe even older).

    PS: I work as a volunteer for stills and video there. Currently working on a video installation.
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    I'm really liking the output at this web size. I don't really need or want another MF 25mm so will wait to see if the 25 f1.f AF lens comes to pass but this is def. one I'm watching.

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    There are too many good looking images in this thread. I had to find something else from everything I've done trying to learn the lens:

    G1, CV25, 1/1250, f/0.95
    Nice, plain ugly, to be expected - you decide.

    regards,

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    Jonas, it is a beautiful shot! Love it and the bokeh!

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    These @f/0.95


    Saté vendor, Koh Lanta by kai.e.g., on Flickr


    Saté stand, Koh Lanta by kai.e.g., on Flickr


    Noodle chef, Koh Lanta by kai.e.g., on Flickr


    Grilled corn vendor by kai.e.g., on Flickr

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    Great shots, all of them.
    I especially like the third one!
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    One of my favorit places: Jazz im Anglerheim! Nokton at 1,2 , 1/25 sec at ISO 1600, E-PL1

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlliL View Post
    Great shots, all of them.
    I especially like the third one!
    +1! Kai.e.g, Love the shots! Keep 'em coming . . . . .

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    Re: Fun with the m43 Voigtlaender 25mm f/0.95 lens

    I went for the Schneider Xenon 25mm F0.95.
    So small and light. Easy to handhold
    Very sharp at f1.4 and above and no slouch wide open.



    [IMG][/IMG]

    Wide open

    [IMG][/IMG]

    F2

    [IMG][/IMG]

    100% crop

    [IMG][/IMG]

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    Quote Originally Posted by kai.e.g. View Post
    These @f/0.95
    (four B&W ones)
    These images all work well, the environment is exotic and interesting, the subjects in the center is fine with the vignetting and in #3 there even is a natural frame. I liked looking at them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReeRay View Post
    I went for the Schneider Xenon 25mm F0.95.
    So small and light. Easy to handhold
    Very sharp at f1.4 and above and no slouch wide open.
    Where did you find the lens?

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    Where did you find the lens?
    Ebay $400

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    Thanks folks, glad you enjoyed them. Here's one more. This was stopped down a fair bit (sorry, don't know by how much, probably at least f/8)...


    Relaxing elephant by kai.e.g., on Flickr

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReeRay View Post
    I went for the Schneider Xenon 25mm F0.95.
    So small and light. Easy to handhold
    Very sharp at f1.4 and above and no slouch wide open.
    That looks to be a great little lens - great stuff!
    Cheers,
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    Re: Fun with the m43 Voigtlaender 25mm f/0.95 lens

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    Ebay $400
    Not bad.
    I'm not sure but I seem to recall once having dismissed the Schneider 25/0.95 as it doesn't cover the sensor. Is my memory playing me a trick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    Not bad.
    I'm not sure but I seem to recall once having dismissed the Schneider 25/0.95 as it doesn't cover the sensor. Is my memory playing me a trick?
    Correct, it does not cover the sensor and in the 4:3 format vignetting is very obvious throughout the range. However, in the 3:2 format the vignetting is hardly detectable up to f2.8.

    I can live with this as I bought the lens for low light shooting and the "problem" is not so apparent in that environment.

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    Re: Fun with the m43 Voigtlaender 25mm f/0.95 lens

    Quote Originally Posted by ReeRay View Post
    Ebay $400


    ReeRay, beautiful photographs as usual! Love the color, sharp detail with the soft bokeh!

    . . . . . you did manage a wonderful find when finding the Schneider Xenon 25mm F0.95 at $ 400.00, on the occasions I have done a search they usually come back in the $1200.00 to $1500.00 range. The two listed on ebay at the moment are for $1600.00 and $1540.00

    http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trk...All-Categories

    There does appear to be a number of schneider xenon 25/1.5 available in the $350.00 to $500.00 range and photographs I have seen taken with them are very nice as well.

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    Dim Sum at F2

    Schneider Xenon 25mm f/0.95

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    Kris by peterb666, on Flickr

    Kris the very old cat doing what he does best - resting.

    This photo was taken with an Olympus E-P1 and Voigtlander 25mm f/0.95. The shot was taken indoors with a single light above (and not very bright).

    The exposure is for 1/13 second at f/2 and the camera is set to ISO1600. The distance to Kris is approximately 0.4m.

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    Re: Fun with the m43 Voigtlaender 25mm f/0.95 lens

    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    http://outbackphoto.smugmug.com/Images2011/201101Jan/1101GH21000835PlazaHallBathLRE/1149812728_WWxhB-O.jpg
    This is lovely, Uwe. Very quiet and beautiful.
    I like what I'm seeing out of this lens.

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    Re: Fun with the m43 Voigtlaender 25mm f/0.95 lens

    amazing images here - they're making me reconsider my order for a K5 and 31mm 1.8, even though micro four thirds and the voigtlander are very different to the pentax - i like what i see ;-)

    hmmm... maybe after my bank account recovers... will be a very long time though :-( lol
    Vince

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