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    GH2 impressions

    Here some of the first shots I took in Shanghai tonight, decided to do this as video export from LR3.3 - not highest quality because of compression, but I can assure you the RAW files are!

    Anyway I hope it gives you a feeling about what you can do with that camera. And YES, it is small and light enough to carry around.

    I start to love that camera. Most of the night scenes were shot at ISO3200.

    Enjoy

    http://gallery.me.com/ptomsu#100021

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    Some of the night shots - if not mentioned all with ISO3200.

    First one: 58mm - f5.6 - 1/100

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    Second one - 140mm (equals 280) - f5.8 - 1/10 - IS is working remarkably good, thi is hand held 280 at 1/10 !!!!

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    Some more - really impressive high ISO .....

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    From hotel room ....

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    cant wait to get my hands on one. thanks for posting

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    There is a lot of debate going on regarding the jpeg colors in comparison with DSLRs. Do you have any comment about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagarmatha View Post
    There is a lot of debate going on regarding the jpeg colors in comparison with DSLRs. Do you have any comment about that?
    For me JPEG colors were all right, the only thing I can definitely say is, that higher ISO noise gets much worse compared to using RAW and converting in LR3.3 - just standard conversion is already rocking.

    Having said that, I am almost exclusively using RAW mode on any camera and I can say from the GH2 the whole process is really quick and delivers in combination with LR3.3. This could not be said from some other DSLRs, especially the K5 was really slow when image corrections were turned on in RAW / DNG mode. Here obviously M43 lenses (at least the 14-140 kit zoom) shows its strength - there is obviously no correction needed, or if so, it is done in a very fast way, even in RAW shooting. I for myself do not see any need for JPEG usage, but I understand that some have this requirement.

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    Saw your shots and love them. I am awaiting my own Lumix GH2 and cannot wait after seeing your results. Thanks

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    By the way, I almost always shoot RAW so am encouraged by your comments

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    Quote Originally Posted by photolady View Post
    By the way, I almost always shoot RAW so am encouraged by your comments
    You can be encouraged, this camera really showed up to its expectations today ...

    Some day shots from Shanghai

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    Here a new video of images for some fun .....

    http://gallery.me.com/ptomsu#100037

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    And some from inside at tea ceremony .....

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    I presume you have or have had other DSLRs before the GH2. Can you make a rough statement about IQ comparison?

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    So first some more from Water Village (close Shanghai).

    These were taken late afternoon and some indoors, so in many cases again higher ISO values (compared to the ones from Shanghai, which were most at ISO160).

    The only thing I noticed twas that the EVF was kind of freezing when going from dark into bright light, which got away when I switched to a different mode setting on the camera. Not sure what that was (is) or if this needs a FW fix. But otherwise the GH2 worked flawlessly!

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    Here my impressions after using the GH2 for some days. Please note that these are my personal impressions about this camera and are by no means scientific or a real review!

    Let me start with comparing GH2 to other DSLRs first. I also own a Nikon D700 with several of the high speed 2.8 zooms from 14-200 in total focal length. There is NO DOUBT that the results from the D700 would have been better at all ISO. But how much better? Maybe 10 or 20%??? Definitely better WRT ability of printing larger at higher ISO images, so of course you can see the impact of the 16MP 43 sensor. Given that I want to use the GH2 on business trips or for casual photography the results are topping my needs in any case. And I would not have liked to carry my Nikon gear (nor Hasselblad) instead of the GH2. Or a Leica M9 - but this is a different story and I do not want to get into RF versus EVF discussions now.

    What about other small APSC DSLRs? The most comparable would be Nikon D7000, Canon D60, Pentax K5, Sony Alpha 55, etc.etc. Well why did I not simply buy a D7000 and use some of my Nikon glass or add some of the great Nikon DX zooms? I asked myself several times before I choose the GH2, simple answer is that the GH2 form factor, size and weight is considerably smaller and lower compared to a Nikon D7000 (or K5 or even A55). Now would I consider IQ better from one of these cameras, as they have a larger sensor? In the area between ISO160 - ISO1600 probably not, at ISO3200 maybe and above ISO3200 for sure, although not very much IMHO. As you can see from my posts in this thread, one can nicely survive with ISO3200 and I could also have used ISO6400 or 12800 on the GH", although I so far had no real need (great IS of the 14-140). And be honest - back n film days I was happy to have good ISO800, so working ISO3200 are already a big leap forward.

    As some of you might have noted I also shot a K5 for some weeks before I sent it back. This was not because of bad IQ or bad high ISO, this camera was really a great performer WRT IQ under several circumstances. But there was one main reason why I did - it was not so well and reliably working AF in some conditions, mainly of course low light, but not exclusively. I never found any AF unreliability in the GH2, only thing that can happen is that it is too dark for contrast AF, but then the GH2 will simply NOT do AF and leave you with MF, so you know about it in advance. Not like the K5 which did some focus, approved correct focus but then it was backfocused (in my case).

    Which brings me to another major part of the GH2 - the EVF. I should say that I am an old Leica (R and M) guy, so I love good viewfinders I could not get friend with several EVFs (G1, GH1, A55, and some others) so far, the first one which triggered satisfaction was the one coming with my EP2, but the EVF in the GH2 is again a milestone above that. Not in resolution, but in smoothness when you move the camera or at larger focal length, because the sensor is read out I think 120 times a second and the image of the EVF is refreshed 60 times a second in the GH2. So this results in a very smooth looking picture. Could this be improved? Sure there could be always improvement and before EVFs will be able to get used in Pro DSLRs there needs to be another improvement in my eyes, but I would think this is not too far away. For a camera like the GH2 which I would rate as a high end consumer camera, the EVF is absolutely perfect. And I prefer it to a OVF found in comparable DSLRs like mentioned above, because their OVFs tend to be so small (even if the are 100%) that MF will not really work under bad light, which is not an issue with the GH2 EVF, especially when you turn on all MF support in the menues.

    I would dare to print up to 50x70cm from that camera, you have 16MP and they are very good to good quality, so especially when printed you will not see much difference even to a D700. WOuld a D3X do better, or a A900? Sure, but again then you would carry 5 (or more) times the weight and size and get maybe results which are 20% better? Or 30? Or maybe only 10%? Who can answer that????? I can't and here you see the reason why I think that a camera like the GH2 has become already so good that choosing it will not impact lot of the quality - really visible quality - in this type of leisure and travel photography.

    If I really needed high IQ, I would take my H3D39 and lenses and blow anything away. Or upgrade for the price of 10xGH2s to a H4D60 and be even better in blowing away Or go for any of these S2s which are currently working if I had the luck to get one - for even higher amount of money. But would I want to carry these beasts around? Or bring on a flight with luggage restrictions???? NO DEFINITELY NOT!

    Short answer her: in my eyes the GH2 has reached a level of maturity, that it is on the same level as a APSC DSLR or even better in some regards, and already very close in my eyes to a FF DSLR, but MUCH smaller! Comparing to MF does not make any sense. So for me this is an ideal travel camera, maybe add 1 or 2 M43 lenses, maybe even a higher speed prime, and you will be satisfied. Or use it as a complement to an existing MFD system, just to have something to shoot high quality around anything you shoot with your MF gear.

    Hope that helps for now. I so far love my GH2 and do not regret having bought one!

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    Thank you for a very useful writeup, Peter, and beautiful photos from Shanghai as well. Your thoughts are very similar to my own, having owned the GH1 for nearly a year now. For me, m43 is a very major step in photo technology, bringing it into an area we couldn't even dream of during the days of film. When used in a sensible way, the creative options, which to me always seemed endless, now have extended into yet another dimension.

    And while weight and size have always been a constraint post-OM, I will now be able to place two bodies and 14-1000 eqv. of focal length (including the OM 50mm Reflex) in the bottom of my little Kata DR-467i bag, that also rooms 3-4 shirts (in the laptop pocket), extra underwear, shorts and a toothbrush. I even have space for a small Manfrotto fluid head in there, making video so much better. A Hong Kong company, Sirui, has come up with some carbon fiber tripods that fold down to around 40cm without head, and weigh 8-900g. They are a bit low, 130-155cm without and with extension, but surprisingly rigid, and with the articulated LCD of the GH1/2, I don't always need to have the camera at eye height. You can probably find the Sirui tripods in Shanghai too. Have a look at their ballheads as well. They are surprisingly good, and much better than other Chinese brands that I've tried.

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    Jorgen -

    How are you getting to 1000mm....I need very long lens but I think I need it to auto focus as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Jorgen -

    How are you getting to 1000mm....I need very long lens but I think I need it to auto focus as well.
    OM Zuiko 500mm f/8 Reflex. That's including the "crop factor" obviously. On the GH2, it can even become a 2000mm eqv. when shooting video

    It's a bit low contrast, but still very good for video. Great fun to use, and a lens with a distinct personality. It's best hand held (requiring a lot of light), on a monopod or on a very sturdy tripod. For photography, it needs some sharpening and sometimes down-sizing to 6-8MP, but it easily beats a conventional lens with a TC, except for the real heavyweight Canikon lenses, but then we are talking 6-15 times the weight.

    Be aware also that long focal lengths like that pick up a lot of haze, fog, smog etc., particularly in cities and when shot along the ground.
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    >Short answer her: in my eyes the GH2 has reached a level of maturity

    I second that and on top it can do amazing video.
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    Great review Peter. I really value seasoned opinions in this regard.

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    Thank you Peter, very helpful write up.
    The market seems to agree with your analysis, GH2s are flying off the dealers shelfs here in the US. Are you using it with any of the other mft lenses besides the 14-140mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by retow View Post
    Thank you Peter, very helpful write up.
    The market seems to agree with your analysis, GH2s are flying off the dealers shelfs here in the US. Are you using it with any of the other mft lenses besides the 14-140mm?
    I have tried the 2.8/17 and it works fine. Definitely some faster lenses are a good idea in order to be able to do more efficient available light stuff. The Lumix 2.5/14 is a fix starter for me, just need to order it.

    I would love to see also some OIS primes in the future, not sure if that will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    >Short answer her: in my eyes the GH2 has reached a level of maturity

    I second that and on top it can do amazing video.
    Yes, I forgot to mention video, this is really stunning on the GH2. What are you using - AVCHD or MPEG4 ?

    I found that AVCHD is only supported by Toast on my machine Quicktime does not support it, as also not RealPlayer and MediaPlayer.

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    Peter, thanks for a good analysis. I've FINALLY made up my mind: GH2, 14-140, 100-300, to start with

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagarmatha View Post
    Peter, thanks for a good analysis. I've FINALLY made up my mind: GH2, 14-140, 100-300, to start with
    That should be a very good choice. The 100-300 is also on my to buy list. As the 7-14. They are both so small and cheap compared to APSC or FF counterparts and offer nice quality - at least what I could see from reviews on the net.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    The Lumix 2.5/14 is a fix starter for me, just need to order it.
    Peter,
    Be aware that there's a rumour of an m43 version of the 25/1.4 being launched in a couple of months. If the rumour holds water, it will probably be smaller and focus faster than the existing lens does on m43.

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    Peter, thanks for posting this! I've been tempted by this camera and there's even one in stock at a store nearby for 1400 incl. the 14-140mm zoom. I'm a Pentax user with a couple of older-than-K-5 bodies (K20D, K-x) and some lenses, some good, some not so good. I've been thinking about whether to upgrade to K-5 or not. My major griefs with my current gear are the high ISO of the K20D and the slow and unreliable AF of both bodies. But I'm beginning to lose faith in the brand as they always seem to mess up somehow. While the K-5 sounds marvelous in many ways, the reports of the sensor stains, low light front focusing and erratic flash behavior don't sound so good. So I'm considering investing in 4/3 gear instead or on the side. By the specs there does not seem to be a major difference in size between the GH2 and the K-5, but the former weighs about half of the latter. And there's always the obviously great video on the GH2.

    Has anybody here been disappointed with the GH2? And also, would you consider the 14-140mm zoom to be good enough for the non-pro photographer whose main subjects vary from random family pics to landscapes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emr View Post
    Peter, thanks for posting this! I've been tempted by this camera and there's even one in stock at a store nearby for 1400 incl. the 14-140mm zoom. I'm a Pentax user with a couple of older-than-K-5 bodies (K20D, K-x) and some lenses, some good, some not so good. I've been thinking about whether to upgrade to K-5 or not. My major griefs with my current gear are the high ISO of the K20D and the slow and unreliable AF of both bodies. But I'm beginning to lose faith in the brand as they always seem to mess up somehow. While the K-5 sounds marvelous in many ways, the reports of the sensor stains, low light front focusing and erratic flash behavior don't sound so good. So I'm considering investing in 4/3 gear instead or on the side. By the specs there does not seem to be a major difference in size between the GH2 and the K-5, but the former weighs about half of the latter. And there's always the obviously great video on the GH2.

    Has anybody here been disappointed with the GH2? And also, would you consider the 14-140mm zoom to be good enough for the non-pro photographer whose main subjects vary from random family pics to landscapes?
    My K5 issues were mainly with AF in low light. No sensor issues, nor anything else. I did not like the kit zoom (which is understandable) but I am not sure if the 18-135 is really any better. I think in order to get better Pentax glass you have to go for the DA limited lenses and the faster and newer zooms. But then the whole gear makes up a lot of more size and weight compared to any M43 gear.

    If I would have all the Pentax glass I had liked I would maybe stay with Pentax and wait if they can fix the AF issues in the K5. High ISO of the K5 is really marvelous.

    WRT GH2 I am very happy with my 14-140, although in some situations it is a bit slow. But on the other side it is light and small and cheap, while delivering stunning IQ. And the whole GH2 kit is considerably smaller than the K5 with any of their zooms. Plus if you are looking for video, the GH2 is for sure leading!

    So if you really want to switch, I think you will not be disappointed and the 1400.- are a good price!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Peter,
    Be aware that there's a rumour of an m43 version of the 25/1.4 being launched in a couple of months. If the rumour holds water, it will probably be smaller and focus faster than the existing lens does on m43.
    Jorgen,

    is this a Olympus or Panasonic lens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Jorgen,

    is this a Olympus or Panasonic lens?

    Peter
    Panasonic.

    There are more rumours as well: rugged, professional quality bodies from both, and higher grade zooms from Olympus, all of it apparently the coming spring. Olympus is also said to be working on a hybrid solution for E-5 replacement in the future; EVF but 4/3 lenses (or both kinds).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Panasonic.

    There are more rumours as well: rugged, professional quality bodies from both, and higher grade zooms from Olympus, all of it apparently the coming spring. Olympus is also said to be working on a hybrid solution for E-5 replacement in the future; EVF but 4/3 lenses (or both kinds).
    Thanks for the info! Well I hope that they keep developing 43 and M43, I think both systems have high potential, exactly M43 seems to have more as most future cameras (even pro cameras) will use EVF or maybe Hybrid.

    I believe more in Panasonic though, as they seem to be definitely faster than Olympus and should have more resources. Although from the optical know how Olympus should be leading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Panasonic.

    There are more rumours as well: rugged, professional quality bodies from both, and higher grade zooms from Olympus, all of it apparently the coming spring. Olympus is also said to be working on a hybrid solution for E-5 replacement in the future; EVF but 4/3 lenses (or both kinds).
    And a rumor of a Panasonic 12-50mm f2.5-3.3 coming soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    And a rumor of a Panasonic 12-50mm f2.5-3.3 coming soon
    Wow, hope this one is true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Wow, hope this one is true!
    +1

    7-14, 12-50, 100-300 and CV 25/0.95 looks like an amazingly strong travel outfit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    And a rumor of a Panasonic 12-50mm f2.5-3.3 coming soon
    I wonder how big a lens like that would be considering it's a zoom and fairly fast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emr View Post
    I wonder how big a lens like that would be considering it's a zoom and fairly fast?
    Not too big, probably. Look at the Zuiko 14-54 f/2.8-3.5. Around the same focal length, and less than half a stop slower. OIS will probably add a little bit though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Yes, I forgot to mention video, this is really stunning on the GH2. What are you using - AVCHD or MPEG4 ?

    I found that AVCHD is only supported by Toast on my machine Quicktime does not support it, as also not RealPlayer and MediaPlayer.
    I use always 1080p24 at best quality (AVCHD). Here is an article I wrote for DPReview:

    http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Guid..._part_1_01.htm

    I short I use ClipWrap to transcode and VLC/Toast for quick previews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Not too big, probably. Look at the Zuiko 14-54 f/2.8-3.5. Around the same focal length, and less than half a stop slower. OIS will probably add a little bit though.
    This is my favorite zoom for indoor video (MF and tripod). Here are videos I did with this zoom:

    http://vimeo.com/17988758

    http://vimeo.com/16108720
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    This is my favorite zoom for indoor video (MF and tripod). Here are videos I did with this zoom:

    http://vimeo.com/17988758

    http://vimeo.com/16108720
    Nice video Uwe......I think you mentioned on another post that this is volunteer work on your part for the San Juan Bautista State Park. That's awesome.

    Thanks......R

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    Peter,

    I enjoyed your "user" review and why you selected the GH2 as your travel camera. Your unbiased, honest comparison to other cameras is refreshing. I also enjoyed your photos.

    Howard

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    Short answer her: in my eyes the GH2 has reached a level of maturity, that it is on the same level as a APSC DSLR or even better in some regards, and already very close in my eyes to a FF DSLR, but MUCH smaller! Comparing to MF does not make any sense. So for me this is an ideal travel camera, maybe add 1 or 2 M43 lenses, maybe even a higher speed prime, and you will be satisfied. Or use it as a complement to an existing MFD system, just to have something to shoot high quality around anything you shoot with your MF gear.

    Hope that helps for now. I so far love my GH2 and do not regret having bought one!
    Thanks Peter. This is just so interesting....because quantitatively the GH2 is just an evolution in specifications from the GH1 and would draw comparisons from smaller DSLR's, etc.

    However, there is something about this camera that I can only describe as qualitative in nature. It just reeks of POTENTIAL.....something that I did not feel with my GH1.

    So maybe it's the evolution of the M43 system of lens offerings that make it more appealing....maybe it's just my own movement from larger cameras to smaller ones.....or maybe it's just a great little camera.

    Now for just a few more fast primes....

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    Peter

    Thanks for a great review of the camera. I purchased one and it should have been with me last Friday but there was a snafu with the courier and I suspect it will turn up on Tuesday. After your review I am very excited to get my hands on one.

    I should also add that for me, the choice for m43 came after a lot of introspection about going for a D700. Like you, the weight and smaller form factor were deciding points, especially as I have already achieved stunning results from my GF-1.

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    I enjoyed your "user" review and why you selected the GH2 as your travel camera. Your unbiased, honest comparison to other cameras is refreshing. I also enjoyed your photos.

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    Peter I have started to do some GH2/5DII comparisons and pretty pleased with the GH2 performance. The size/weight trade offs are really an important consideration. Thus, I agree with pretty much everything stated in your review. There is one other major difference that I think is an important consideration. The depth of field differences between the 35mm DSLRs/medium format and the the micro 4/3rds systems. The fact that a more narrow DOF is difficult to get with the micro4/3 systems even with a fast lens would be a disadvantage for the m4/3 system.

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    Yes, I forgot to mention video, this is really stunning on the GH2. What are you using - AVCHD or MPEG4 ?

    I found that AVCHD is only supported by Toast on my machine Quicktime does not support it, as also not RealPlayer and MediaPlayer.
    VLC and imovie support AVCHD just fine.

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    Thanks all for your nice comments and feedback.

    I just wanted to share my opinion on a compact but high quality travel alternative camera and I am overwhelmed by all the positive reactions! Meanwhile I think that M43 could easily become my preferred system for everyday photography. I hope you all will enjoy this camera as much as I do!

    Looking forward to all the exciting new lenses which should arrive soon .....

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    >Short answer her: in my eyes the GH2 has reached a level of maturity

    I second that and on top it can do amazing video.
    Not yet for me. Maybe the GH3? I want the more megapixels and the slightly better noise handling with the higher ISO levels but there are some major troubles with the GH2. There's the green noise at 800 ISO and above that most NR software (including the in-camera processing) doesn't detect as noise. And there is the inferior video. Inferior to a GH1 with the custom firmware applied. The touch-screen doesn't interest me - I can't even use it. Also the firmware options in both the GH1 and GH2 are slightly retarded - obviously written by a non-photographer or a weekend hobbyist. Then there are stupid marketing tricks applied to the hardware/firmware that make it a bit impossible! Like the fact that cameras sold here in Japan have no English language abilities just to name but one such. Etc. Combine these things with Panasonic's reputation as the worst company on the planet for customer support and honoring their warrantee (which I've experienced 1st hand with my first two GH1s) and I think I'll sit this upgrade out.

    Sony is slated to be working on a pro-style body that's mirrorless and there are a some rumors and murmuring around the Nikon camp as well about similar intents. I think actually I'll be waiting for a curved FF sensor in a mirrorless body before I fork over the cash.

    Then again the GH1 is currently selling here (new, in box, body only) for under $250 and if the GH2 ever approaches that price level prior to the curved FF, I may just go for it. Until then naw, not really... Panasonic needs to straighten up their act before they get my vote ($) and the GH2 isn't much better than the GH1 when it comes right down to it - worse when it comes to video.

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    There's the green noise at 800 ISO and above that most NR software (including the in-camera processing) doesn't detect as noise...
    Peter, Uwe, Terry, are you seeing this? I haven't seen anything of the sort while working with lots of ISO 1600-3200 GH2 files in Lightroom 3.3.

    Shadow noise is still relatively high, so underexposing and pushing shadows isn't going to give K-5-like results. Nevertheless, the GH2 has soundly exceeded my expectations when it comes to high ISO, and I've not been troubled by any green noise issue.

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    I dunno if everyone sees it or not. I guess it may be according to sample, I dunno. But if you google it you'll see lots of threads and blogs reporting the issue. They seem to be scattered but in a somewhat diagonal pattern - sparse but present and noticeable (10 to 100 dots per image). Not like typical ISO noise. It may be correlated to exposure time too. I dunno that either. Most people I've read reporting the issue aren't as thorough as I am when it come to nailing down these sorts of things.

    But I can say the same thing about the GH1 too: "the GH1 has soundly exceeded my expectations when it comes to high ISO...". The two cameras are not that different.

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