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    Pentax Q a no-go for enthusiasts

    No in-camera shutter!! No legacy lens use, no adapting other lenses, unless you are fast with a lens cap.

    That, and the rinky-dink sensor.

    http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxQ/page2.asp

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    Re: Pentax Q a no-go for enthusiasts

    Well, if so many 'enthusiasts' are producing work that people like with an iPhone, I guess some might go for this little system...

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    Re: Pentax Q a no-go for enthusiasts

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Well, if so many 'enthusiasts' are producing work that people like with an iPhone, I guess some might go for this little system...
    Hi Godfrey..

    That has to be the 4G! 3G cannot do it.

    Regards.

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    Re: Pentax Q a no-go for enthusiasts

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Well, if so many 'enthusiasts' are producing work that people like with an iPhone, I guess some might go for this little system...
    Me for one! I fell for the Auto 110 and I am still using the lenses on my G1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    Me for one! I fell for the Auto 110 and I am still using the lenses on my G1.
    Some photographers produce their best work when challenged with limited capability in their tools

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    For decades I've been wondering how to produce my best work.

    Great idea.

    I'll add noise to all my D700 and X100 RAW files, and reduce the dynamic range before I start post-production work.

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    Re: Pentax Q a no-go for enthusiasts

    Hey, it's designed to be "cute"... they'll probably sell them by the boatload, especially in Asia. The bottom line to these guys is the bottom line let's remember. They are not interested in designing and selling to the minority like us. If they bundle this camera with those accessory dogs that you see all the young & chic with these days, they'll make a fortune.

    Cheers,
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    No in-camera shutter, the viewfinder (which I thought for $250 was a real EVF) turns out to be a rangefinder pointing optical finder and the camera apparently has a second-rate Sony sensor, vastly outclassed by Canon and Panasonic P&S sensors.
    For $800!!!

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    Re: Pentax Q a no-go for enthusiasts

    Now, now children ...

    Look at it this way, the more people get hooked on cute cameras that take small, so-so pictures - the sooner they ditch their DSLRs and we start getting commissioned work again, n'est-ce pas?

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    I have to say that Pentax is very smart, cause they found the way to sell bunch of junk toy lenses with a digicam.
    Good marketing move for them, indifferent news for majority of us.

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    Re: Pentax Q a go-go for enthusiasts

    Quote Originally Posted by RichA View Post
    No in-camera shutter!! No legacy lens use, no adapting other lenses, unless you are fast with a lens cap.

    That, and the rinky-dink sensor.

    http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxQ/page2.asp
    Well, I don't use my GH2 because it has awesome IQ, so I may have a place for the Pentax Q.

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    Re: Pentax Q a no-go for enthusiasts

    Quote Originally Posted by willie_901 View Post
    For decades I've been wondering how to produce my best work.

    Great idea.

    I'll add noise to all my D700 and X100 RAW files, and reduce the dynamic range before I start post-production work.
    I think you will like it. There are prize winners out there. The one shot by Capa of the soldier in the water at the D-Day landing comes to mind - lots of noise and no dynamic range. Maybe experiment with the X100 and use the D700 for perfect-pixel-police shots

    Keith

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    Re: Pentax Q a no-go for enthusiasts

    I don't think I'll buy one, but that's for financial reasons. My coffers are shallow and I can't buy anything. But if I could, I would. Looks like a fun camera and if they've got the low ISO image quality right, awesome photos can probably be made.

    I can see adapters popping up for this one as well, and for those with telephoto needs, some compact legacy glass, like Olympus OM, would give really impressive reach, if they can resolve enough for this tiny sensor. Am I correct in assuming the crop factor is around 5.5x? That would make my OM Zuiko 100mm a 550mm eqv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohnri View Post
    Well, I don't use my GH2 because it has awesome IQ, so I may have a place for the Pentax Q.

    Best,

    Bill
    So does Pentax; China and Japan. But remember, that's where you can also find $5.00 RCA cables connection $10k audio amps. No, I won't start delving into high-end audio, it's too painful. Suffice to say $800 for what will probably be the equivalent image-wise of a $250 P&S is just...wrong. However, Pentax is apparently making some money from their small market share so I hope for the sake of more players in the market this allows them to keep that going.

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    Re: Pentax Q a no-go for enthusiasts

    The price is in the same area as the difference between an M9 and an M9P. Now, which upgrade will be the most fun or the most valuable.

    As long as it's not harmful to anything or anybody, it can't be wrong, but it can be fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    Me for one! I fell for the Auto 110 and I am still using the lenses on my G1.
    too right ... I would *still* use mine if I could 1) buy film 2) get it developed

    its just *soooo* cute

    so I make do with the lenses on my G1 which is of course so much bigger



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    or with whatever camera they happen to have ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    . Am I correct in assuming the crop factor is around 5.5x? That would make my OM Zuiko 100mm a 550mm eqv.
    oh man ... or a 50mm a 250 ... hot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonclivehughes View Post
    Hey, it's designed to be "cute"... they'll probably sell them by the boatload, especially in Asia.
    depends on the cost ... but then I heard yesterday Asia now outranks Europe for the number of millionaires

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    Re: Pentax Q a no-go for enthusiasts

    Hey, and these features have to be worth something:

    Alongside the Q, Pentax has announced a series of lenses, which will become available in the coming months. In addition to the 47mm equiv. '01 Standard Prime' there will be the '02 Standard Zoom.' This $299 28-83mm equivalent F2.8-4.5 lens will, like the Standard Prime, offer a built-in ND filter and lens shutter, allowing flash sync all the way up to 1/2000th of a second.

    In addition to these relatively high-end lenses, Pentax will offer three other lens options that highlight the camera's youthful, creative potential, as well as its enthusiast appeal. The manual focus '03 FishEye' offers a 160 field of view and a fixed F5.6 aperture. Meanwhile, the 35mm equiv. '04 Toy Lens Wide' and 100mm equiv. '05 Toy Lens Telephoto' are fixed aperture, manual focus lenses designed to recreate the look of cheaply-made film cameras such as the Diana. Each will cost under $100.

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    Re: Cheap Look

    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    ... lenses designed to recreate the look of cheaply-made film cameras such as the Diana.
    ... after paying $800 in the first place ...

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    Re: Cheap Look

    Quote Originally Posted by m3photo View Post
    ... after paying $800 in the first place ...
    err ... well yes ... but after you've paid that its cheap :-)

    anyway ... what have the romans ever done for *us*

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichA View Post
    No in-camera shutter, the viewfinder (which I thought for $250 was a real EVF) turns out to be a rangefinder pointing optical finder and the camera apparently has a second-rate Sony sensor, vastly outclassed by Canon and Panasonic P&S sensors.
    For $800!!!
    No in camera shutter is actually good here. Look at the flash sync speed- all the way up to 1/2000th with the built in flash, 1/250th with external one. I am not saying there are other cons but I don't get why lens shutter is supposed to be so bad.

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    Re: Pentax Q a no-go for enthusiasts

    There should be some in-camera shutter mechanism because the cheaper manual focus, fixed aperture, fish-eye and toy lenses don't have built in ones:

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/1106/11...taxqlenses.asp
    (search for 'shutter').

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    Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by edz View Post
    There should be some in-camera shutter mechanism because the cheaper manual focus, fixed aperture, fish-eye and toy lenses don't have built in ones:
    I would wonder how many (as a percentage) Panasonic G and Oly Pen owners use these? I would think its something like 5% at most. I work with a number of people who own SLR cameras and none of them grasp this concept.

    For example, I show them what I've done with my camera and mention they can do similar things with theirs (say Canon EOS with OM lenses).

    "Oh can you"

    They say things like they'd like a lens for portraits and I say sure, so I buy them a cheapo adaptor and bring in a lens like a 50 f1.8 and let them try it.

    they then don't really get good results because they orget to focus or something like that.

    So Eastman hit the maket on the head with the Box Brownier which sold under the moniker "You push the button, we do the rest." Although now its you take the camera and the magic box does the rest.

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    But forums like this and the many blogs inspire us don't they?

    Don't forget the Kenko and the Nikon patents for a similar (?) system?
    The competition and proliferation of bodies and lenses just means more opportunities for whatever, but overall, an increase of fun?

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    Pellicle

    I offered three manual focus lenses to a friend of my son on sale or return.

    All three came back with no comments! 180mm 2.8 Nikkor, not ED, an Elicar 90mm 2.5 macro and Tamron 30-210mm. He uses a Nikon 7000...... AF clearly too easy? I'll never know.

    Amateurs are rare. Lovers of photography or pixelpeepers, we are a rare breed. I foresee a depression and many will have less money and more time ... so hobbies will increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    Me for one! I fell for the Auto 110 and I am still using the lenses on my G1.
    Some photographers produce their best work when challenged with limited capability in their tools

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    G1 with Pentax-110 24mm/2.8


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    Re: Pentax Q a no-go for enthusiasts

    Quote Originally Posted by hakkalo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hwoodmancy
    Me for one! I fell for the Auto 110 and I am still using the lenses on my G1.
    Some photographers produce their best work when challenged with limited capability in their tools

    Keith

    G1 with Pentax-110 24mm/2.8

    So "their best work" would be a portfolio called "Smeary Reality", "Seeing Life Through The Eyes of Those Who Need Glasses", or "A Burst of Blur" ?


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    Re: Cheap Look

    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    err ... well yes ... but after you've paid that its cheap :-)

    anyway ... what have the romans ever done for *us*
    I'd rather (if the camera could use it) use a nice used c-mount lens for $40 or so, or a normal prime used from any one of many camera families. IMO, the Sony NEX is a better solution than the novelty Pentax if ultimate size is an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    too right ... I would *still* use mine if I could 1) buy film 2) get it developed

    its just *soooo* cute

    so I make do with the lenses on my G1 which is of course so much bigger





    or with whatever camera they happen to have ...
    A giant and a dwarf


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    That Sigma looks nice!

    Is it any good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tesselator View Post
    That Sigma looks nice!

    Is it any good?
    Too big and heavy,not as good as Pentax-110 which is perfectly matches G1

    G1 with Sigma 24mm f2.8 FD mount


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