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    New 'X' Panasonic lenses

    The new lenses, particularly the short 14-42mm zoom look very interesting and just the thing for G series bodies as well as the Pen bodies. Finally, a truly compact zoom. And, Panasonic states that the optical performance will be better than either of its previous kit zooms of similar range. Since the performance of the 14-45 was already excellent, that bodes well.

    Next, a couple of faster zooms and primes are needed. I want more, more, more!

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    Re: New 'X' Panasonic lenses

    Hi Henning
    It looks very good doesn't it (I want one!)

    Link to dPreview's first look at the lens

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    I agree--the 14-42mm looks awesome! Too bad it's not f2.8, but I guess you can't ask for everything.

    I'm sad they don't intend to support the GF1 though. Maybe it's time to consider the G3 in my kit again?

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    Re: New 'X' Panasonic lenses

    Their other news impresses even more. They have announced they are making a 12-35 and 35-100 fast X zooms. (Looks like they have a normal focus and zoom ring, the X just refers to their high quality line of lenses). If anything was tempting me away from m4/3s I think these just stopped it. There are a couple things I'd be curious to know though. First, if you used digital correction how much smaller could you make Oly's f2 lenses. I don't expect these to be that fast, not sure I'd want them that big, but 2.8 would be perfect.

    EDIT: Forgot the link: http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-hot-pana...mm-fast-zooms/

    That new 14-42 X looks really nice though. Such a small package and it's even better then their other lens that's just a bonus. I can settle for the levers for zoom.
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    Re: New 'X' Panasonic lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    I agree--the 14-42mm looks awesome! Too bad it's not f2.8, but I guess you can't ask for everything.

    I'm sad they don't intend to support the GF1 though. Maybe it's time to consider the G3 in my kit again?
    There is a clarification over at DPReview stating the lens will work on all m4/3 cameras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjlacz View Post
    Their other news impresses even more. They have announced they are making a 12-35 and 35-100 fast X zooms. (Looks like they have a normal focus and zoom ring, the X just refers to their high quality line of lenses). If anything was tempting me away from m4/3s I think these just stopped it. There are a couple things I'd be curious to know though. First, if you used digital correction how much smaller could you make Oly's f2 lenses. I don't expect these to be that fast, not sure I'd want them that big, but 2.8 would be perfect.

    EDIT: Forgot the link: http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-hot-pana...mm-fast-zooms/

    That new 14-42 X looks really nice though. Such a small package and it's even better then their other lens that's just a bonus. I can settle for the levers for zoom.
    I am shooting both of these lenses from Olympus on the E5 and they are great.

    I have no doubt the Pana X versions will be at least as good, if not better.

    It is crystal clear now for me to step out of the E System as this will not have ANY future (at least not for me)

    Even if EVF is still not comparable with the OVF of the E5, any Oly EP3 or Pana GF3 combo with those lenses is so much smaller that I still will mentally argue about not having OVF, but when it comes to carrying around and have always with me it will outweigh any OVF advantages.

    Paired with an M9P and my fast M primes this will all fit in a pretty small bag and give me maximum freedom while highest quality and lowest weight!

    Great news indeed!

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    Re: New 'X' Panasonic lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    There is a clarification over at DPReview stating the lens will work on all m4/3 cameras.
    Concentrate Terry - you're supposed to be on holiday - there might be a lion behind you!

    I hope you're having a fantastic time

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Concentrate Terry - you're supposed to be on holiday - there might be a lion behind you!

    I hope you're having a fantastic time

    all the very best
    That was my first post! Also, I have better cheaper iPad coverage in Kenya than in San Francisco. SIM card plus 3gb data was $25.

    Oh and there were three lions with us a bit ago. The two females were stalking and going for a wildebeest for dinner when the male lion gave away their cover. Draw your own conclusion on my next sentence.
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    Re: New 'X' Panasonic lenses

    Hmm.

    I just looked at these lens announcements on DPR and find this first one is exactly why I decided to move away from Panasonic's Micro-FourThirds range. I could see the direction they were moving and it wasn't where I want to be. Power zoom and button activated servo manual focus? Another 14-42mm f/3.5-5.6 lens? Ugh. Not my cup of tea at all.

    I'm sure for some it will be a delight. Hopefully, the lens will perform to their expectations and it is small and lightweight.

    Enjoy it, those who purchase. :-)

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    Its aimed somewhat at videographers--or for those that want "small". The one that interests me is the 12-35 for 2012. No word on whether it is f/2.8 or assuming more likely 2.8-3.5.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    That was my first post! Also, I have better cheaper iPad coverage in Kenya than in San Francisco. SIM card plus 3gb data was $25.

    Oh and there were three lions with us a bit ago. The two females were stalking and going for a wilbeest for dinner when the male lion gave away their cover. Draw your own conclusion on my next sentence.
    Lol - just be careful Terry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I just looked at these lens announcements on DPR and find this first one is exactly why I decided to move away from Panasonic's Micro-FourThirds range. I could see the direction they were moving and it wasn't where I want to be. Power zoom and button activated servo manual focus? Another 14-42mm f/3.5-5.6 lens? Ugh. Not my cup of tea at all.
    I agree completely, as this lens, clever as it is, isn't my cup of tea, either. I'd likewise started to rethink my commitment to the m4/3 format, but Olympus' announcement of the 12mm/f2 and 45mm/f1.8 lenses earlier this summer was compelling enough to convince me to wait a bit longer and see if either they or Panasonic announce (or better still, release) a "pro level" m4/3 body before the end of the year.

    As much as I found Olympus' lens announcement encouraging, though, I find Panasonic's lens announcement discouraging, as it suggests they're focusing on a video-based future, which holds no interest for me personally.

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    Re: New 'X' Panasonic lenses

    Well then you missed reading the important parts of the announcement x doesn't mean just motorized lenses. Also, I read elsewhere that there are two other fast zooms coming in the x line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Hmm.

    I just looked at these lens announcements on DPR and find this first one is exactly why I decided to move away from Panasonic's Micro-FourThirds range. I could see the direction they were moving and it wasn't where I want to be. Power zoom and button activated servo manual focus? Another 14-42mm f/3.5-5.6 lens? Ugh. Not my cup of tea at all.

    I'm sure for some it will be a delight. Hopefully, the lens will perform to their expectations and it is small and lightweight.

    Enjoy it, those who purchase. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audii-Dudii View Post
    ... it suggests they're focusing on a video-based future, which holds no interest for me personally.
    I agree that the Olympus lens announcements, and the new Leica Summilux 25 for Micro-FourThirds, are pretty good.

    What I don't understand regards even a video-based system direction is that all the video work that I might like to do is MUCH easier to do with manual focus, manual iris lenses. I've never seen the point to autofocus in particular with video work ... Where the focus is placed and how it moves is part of the motion that you're capturing in the visual language of video: I have no desire for a camera to do it for me.

    From that perspective, the Ricoh GXR I went with after Micro-FourThirds, outfitted with the A12 Camera Mount and a couple of manual M-bayonet lenses, may well be a better video camera for my notions of video production. Not as feature rich, perhaps, but functionally superior in use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audii-Dudii View Post
    As much as I found Olympus' lens announcement encouraging, though, I find Panasonic's lens announcement discouraging, as it suggests they're focusing on a video-based future, which holds no interest for me personally.
    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey
    I just looked at these lens announcements on DPR and find this first one is exactly why I decided to move away from Panasonic's Micro-FourThirds range. I could see the direction they were moving and it wasn't where I want to be.
    I'm not sure I'd read that into their release. From DPR:

    Equally notable about the PZ 14-42mm (and the PZ 45-175mm too) is the new 'X' branding. Panasonic is keen to point out that while the first lenses with this designation are 'HD' powerzooms, that's not what the 'X' means. Instead it simply designates a premium line of high-performance products; indeed the company is promising that the X 14-42mm will offer better image quality than both the existing 14-42mm kit lens and its highly-regarded predecessor, the Lumix G Vario 14-45mm F3.5-5.6 ASPH OIS. However upcoming 'X' lenses could be of any type: prime, power zoom, or conventional mechanical zoom.
    Let us see. They've also given us the 20/1.7, the 14/2.5, the 45/2.8, the 25/1.4 and the 8/3.5 primes. They also just announced a 12-35 and 35-100 wide aperture zooms for next year in the X line without power-zoom. They also make their own Panasonic branded Leica M and Leica R adapters for the system.

    Yeah, clearly these guys are all just about video and soccer moms. You guys should flee now

    Forums are amazing. A company releases a new product, and it happens not to match exactly what someone was wanting and the response is ridiculous statements that don't bear even the most trivial inspection.

    I suppose if you want a camera that restricts its entire feature set to the market defined by you and the 100 other folks that share your particular eccentricities you are welcome to commission the millions of dollars to develop it.

    The rest of us here in the sane world will be happy to see Panasonic making a smart move in the market to increase market share. I doubt I'll buy this lens, but if it means they'll sell more cameras and sensors then I'm all for it - because you know what, the evidence shows Panasonic has been making high end bodies and lenses more frequently and earlier than Olympus and Sony. More power to them if they extend their market share into the P&S upgrade crowd. Bring on the users and the sales.

    Ken

    EDIT: PS I realize some folks could object to m43 in general not meeting their needs, I just don't see how it is sensible to read so much into a single product announcement when the rest of the evidence is counter to the conclusions people are drawing from said announcement.

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    Re: New 'X' Panasonic lenses

    Constant f/2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    Its aimed somewhat at videographers--or for those that want "small". The one that interests me is the 12-35 for 2012. No word on whether it is f/2.8 or assuming more likely 2.8-3.5.



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    well personally I'm stoked.

    I know that my 14-45 Kit was (is) a good lens, but its bulky and zoom during video is really difficult. To have an ultra compact lens (which is nearly the size of the 20mm) on a compact camera like a GFx will mean that it stays compact, doesn't loose zoom AND has OIS



    If its even close to the 14-45 in quality I'm totally impressed

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwalsh View Post
    PS I realize some folks could object to m43 in general not meeting their needs, I just don't see how it is sensible to read so much into a single product announcement when the rest of the evidence is counter to the conclusions people are drawing from said announcement.
    My pessimism about the future no doubt stems from my having been an early owner of Panasonic's DMC-L1, its initial foray into DSLRs and the 4/3 format. They talked a good story about what the future would bring, but quickly changed direction and headed downmarket with their subsequent 4/3 releases, leaving the L1 as the high-water mark of their 4/3 product line. (Although I can't speak for him, I will point out that Godfrey owns/ed one of these cameras, too.)

    Then along comes the m4/3 format, whereupon Panasonic abandons the 4/3 format entirely, releases the G1, followed by the GF1, and again starts to hint at all of the great things the future will bring. And then it delivers the G2, the GF2, and G3, which while they may be fine products for what they are, are not the evolutionary products that us early adopters were lead to believe would be coming...

    While I don't deny that some of the products they've released since the G1 merit praise, if one plots a trendline for the direction they appear to be headed based upon the products they've released recently -- including this new series of lenses -- I believe it's fair to conclude that, just as they have in the past, they've changed direction and are chasing after volume, first and foremost. Rather than establishing their line of high-intent (if not quite high-end) products as the starting point for a product line that will ultimately deliver better products still, they're in effect using them as part of their marketing and promotional efforts to establish the bonafides for their more consumer-oriented products. If their recent history is considered, then it's entirely possible the GF1 will prove to be the high-water mark of their m4/3 product line just as the L1 was for their 4/3 product line.

    I certainly don't begrudge Panasonic making a profit and if this means they have to aim their products at a larger market, then I certainly understand. What bugs me, though, is when they (or their supporters) hint that the profits from their volume-oriented, mass-market products will eventually be used tofund a more upmarket product line, because at least with their line of photographic products, this has never happened.

    (BTW, I'm not necessarily complaining about their products' IQ -- I'm still as pleased with that as I ever was, although my standards have increased somewhat since I acquired a medium-format digital outfit for my "serious" photography -- but with their products' ergonomics. I specifically bought the L1 because of its traditional, old-school controls, and ditto for the GF1. So perhaps you will understand why a lens that focuses manually using a switch instead of a focus ring so as to better meet the needs of videographers is of no interest to me whatsoever and, IMO, augurs poorly for the future insofar as the needs/wishes of still-photo photographers such as myself are concerned.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audii-Dudii View Post
    My pessimism about the future no doubt stems from my having been an early owner of Panasonic's DMC-L1, its initial foray into DSLRs and the 4/3 format. They talked a good story about what the future would bring, but quickly changed direction and headed downmarket with their subsequent 4/3 releases, leaving the L1 as the high-water mark of their 4/3 product line. (Although I can't speak for him, I will point out that Godfrey owns/ed one of these cameras, too.)
    Ah, OK. I get where you guys are coming from now. Once bitten, twice shy. Thanks for taking the time to explain.

    Panasonic has been talking of a pro RF body along the lines of the recently released NEX-7 for awhile now. I guess their motivations will be more clear if and when that is actually announced and released to market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwalsh View Post
    I'm not sure I'd read that into their release.
    ...
    Let us see. They've also given us the 20/1.7, the 14/2.5, the 45/2.8, the 25/1.4 and the 8/3.5 primes. They also just announced a 12-35 and 35-100 wide aperture zooms for next year in the X line without power-zoom. They also make their own Panasonic branded Leica M and Leica R adapters for the system.
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    Forums are amazing. A company releases a new product, and it happens not to match exactly what someone was wanting and the response is ridiculous statements that don't bear even the most trivial inspection. ...
    Let's not get our knickers into a twist.

    I decided almost a year ago that Panasonic was not moving in the direction I wanted and sold my Panasonic gear last November. This current press release and this lens had nothing to do with it.

    This particular slow normal zoom lens is totally uninteresting to me. Their evolution of the GFx body line is in a direction I have no interest in. Of the G/GH series, the touch screen does nothing for me and I think the G1 was the best of the lot ... the follow-on models didn't handle as well to my fingers and didn't really improve enough for my wallet to bear.

    The 20mm was nice, although it was too small for my fingers to manual focus comfortably. The 14mm is the same. The Macro-Elmarit 45mm is a superb lens ... I had one to use for quite a bit of time and enjoyed it immensely. The new 25/1.4 looks great. The 7-14 looks good too. I wanted a fast 50 and 70 mm prime set ... I am not a zoom user and had no interest in the 100-300 or other long, slow lenses.

    Whether they have other lenses coming that are more interesting remains to be seen, but I've already moved on; my work and my equipment interests are moving in a direction that Panasonic isn't going.

    I'm sure many people will love the X line lenses, and thls tiny little slow power zoom. And I'm sure they will perform well, for what they are and what they're intended to be.

    That's all I said. If they're The Ultimate Object to you, buy and enjoy! ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audii-Dudii View Post
    ... (Although I can't speak for him, I will point out that Godfrey owns/ed one of these cameras, too.) ...
    Yes, I owned two: they were the basis of my work for a couple of years. Still a very fine camera, but Panasonic dropped the ball with that, their first SLR, and moved in a different direction.

    My best friend bought one of my L1s. He's using it today for HIS jobs. It still performs brilliantly. I moved from it to Olympus pro-grade SLR bodies ... which do an even better job on responsiveness. I still have the Panasonic/Leica Summilux-D 25mm f/1.4 ASPH on the E-5: a stunning camera and lens combination.

    Panasonic is moving forward on its arc, I'm moving forward on mine. I had many good experiences and made quite a bit of money with Panasonic cameras ... the L1, G1, FZ10 and LX1 all produced many salable photos, photos which won awards, and paid for themselves and then some by a healthy margin. I have nothing but praise for Panasonic's cameras in general, but they're no longer making what I'm looking for.

    No big deal. I've juggled equipment for four plus decades.

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    I don't have the slightest personal interest in buying the new 14-45, but I think it's exactly what they needed to sell a ton of GF3-like cameras and fund the future success of Micro 4/3. The disclosure of plans to bring out fast 12-35 and 35-100mm zooms in 2012 was also great to see - and great for the Micro 4/3 system - though I have no personal interest in buying those either .

    If someone would ship my Oly 45/1.8, my three-lens kit would be complete, and I'd be fully content to enjoy all the other lovely lenses via appreciation of the great photos made by others.

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    Re: New 'X' Panasonic lenses

    This will sound off the wall but what I really needed on this trip ia s fast 200 or 300mm (400 or 600mm plus) lens and a tele-converter. I would love to see the make a 300 f2.8 and a 1.4x converter.Oh and it should have a tripod foot. Even if the lens isnt small it would be much much more compact than a Nikon 600 mm and would make for a great brider/wildlife system. Vey compact to be in the field with.

    They won't sell that many of these but it is what I would have brought to Kenya. Between ISO and lens speed I really could use about 2 more stops than what I have with me.

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    This will sound off the wall but what I really needed on this trip ia s fast 200 or 300mm (400 or 600mm plus) lens and a tele-converter. I would love to see the make a 300 f2.8 and a 1.4x converter.Oh and it should have a tripod foot. Even if the lens isnt small it would be much much more compact than a Nikon 600 mm and would make for a great brider/wildlife system. Vey compact to be in the field with.

    They won't sell that many of these but it is what I would have brought to Kenya. Between ISO and lens speed I really could use about 2 more stops than what I have with me.
    4/3 Olympus 150/f2 , 300/f2.8 or 90-250/f2.8 plus 1.4 and 2x teleconverters (1 and 2 stop losses respectively on the converters) might do the job. Arguably the best telephoto glass in the world.

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    But AF is a problem. I tried the 150 with and without 2x on the GH2 no dice for what I needed. Needs to have AF optimized for CDAF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    This will sound off the wall but what I really needed on this trip ia s fast 200 or 300mm (400 or 600mm plus) l.
    not really ... its something I've wished for too

    But if I have to hump around that creature then I may as well get any APS or 4/3 body to pack with it and take advantage of the better AF too

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    Re: New 'X' Panasonic lenses

    I have a G1, EP-1, and G3
    9-18, 14-42, 14-45, 14-140, 20, 45-200, 100-300

    The 14 seems no advantage, the 17 is too close to the 20, Never had an Oly kit zoom.

    Most likely, I'll get the 45, the 12 is just to specialist for me to shell out 800.

    I'll get the tiny zoom, some of the redundant lenses will leave the kit, and I'll have a really nice 6 lens kit covering an effective 16-600, with at least two fast primes and it will fit in my Domke messenger bag. The IQ will be more than adequate for all web work, and most 8X10's.

    This is a system that has it's place. My D300 + raft of lenses is getting squeezed out of the middle. The G3 has SUFFICIENT ergonomics, IQ and portability to meet my "daily driver" needs, the P03+/AFD-II meets my high end. If the thing didn't have a 1.3 crop factor, I'd be done, but still lusting after the 28mm anyway.

    CaNikon really need to start looking over their shoulders, with a couple of 2.8 zooms that are fully in camera corrected, a whole generation of advanced amateur shooters could skip them all together. Cheap gateway cameras, then hook you on the high end glass, sounds a good model to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    This will sound off the wall but what I really needed on this trip ia s fast 200 or 300mm (400 or 600mm plus) lens and a tele-converter. I would love to see the make a 300 f2.8 and a 1.4x converter.Oh and it should have a tripod foot. Even if the lens isnt small it would be much much more compact than a Nikon 600 mm and would make for a great brider/wildlife system. Vey compact to be in the field with.
    The latest roadmaps don't leave a lot of gaps in the MFT lineup. I don't think it will be very long before we start to see more specialized lenses such as super telephoto primes.

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    The new lens is perfect for a small travel kit. Throw in the new Oly 12 & 45 and you're good to go. It's what I've been wanting for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsnack View Post
    The new lens is perfect for a small travel kit. Throw in the new Oly 12 & 45 and you're good to go. It's what I've been wanting for a long time.
    Exactly. Maybe different choices on the primes even just the zoom and the 20mm makes a cool little walk around kit. Also makes the GF3 interesting to me.

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    I'm buying this new 14-42 pancake lens. I really like my GF-1 and would love to have that range on it rather than the "big" 14-45.

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    14-42 isn't of much interest to me as I more prefer faster primes in the focal length (lets hope the 25m mf1.4 can finally get to market before these X lens, I'm waiting Panasonic! lol)

    The 45-175 actually is one I think I might get though. I really like internal zooms and think they handle a bit better on a camera like the EP3 as well as it keeps the dimensions smaller.

    40-150 and 45-200 are good lenses for the money, but for $449 for a 90-350mm slow tele just for generic long tele landscape shots etc I think it should be a winner.

    Plan to mostly carry the 12/25/45 kit but never hurts to have some reach just for the heck of it, compressed distant landscape etc

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    There are so many lens options available for m4/3 now that it starts to resemble a "real" system. With the 12-35 and 35-100, I assume that a more "pro" body (better build quality, vertical grip option etc.) can't be too far away. That body and those lenses for work etc., G3 and 12/25/45 for travel, the total probably weighing less than one "pro" Nikon camera with one f/2.8 zoom... it's sounds so perfect I can hardly wait

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    While I am a GF1/20mm user, one of my concerns with any Panasonic lens is if they design the lens around what I will call "barrel distortion correction in software" method - I understand the 14mm is designed this way but the 20mm is not.

    Anyone know if this is the case with these new X lenses?

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    As far as I know the 20mm has a fair bit of distortion correction. The only one I thought that didn't was the Panny/Leica 45mm macro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    While I am a GF1/20mm user, one of my concerns with any Panasonic lens is if they design the lens around what I will call "barrel distortion correction in software" method
    as I understand it you make a number of compromises in lens design (or any design really). Access to software correction in camera liberates the designer to make choices which perhaps can't be corrected for in favour of ones that can be corrected and achieve a better result.

    Personally I was impressed with what could be done with making the Vaskar lens on my Voightlander Bessar 6x9 camera using PTLens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Exactly. Maybe different choices on the primes even just the zoom and the 20mm makes a cool little walk around kit. Also makes the GF3 interesting to me.
    I'm leaning towards the Olympus EPL-3, because it has the tilt screen. I found that to be really handy on the NEX 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsnack View Post
    I'm leaning towards the Olympus EPL-3, because it has the tilt screen. I found that to be really handy on the NEX 5.
    Check it out first. The actual screen size is smaller than it looks as the dimensions are a different aspect ratio.

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    Very true. It appears to be a 3:2 ratio. I might just go with the EP-3. While it is a larger body, I'm more concerned with lens size.

    I really wish the NEX line had some small lenses.

    I also hear Pentax is about to announce a mirrorless body with smaller lenses.

    It's just too much to think about

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    one of my concerns with any Panasonic lens is if they design the lens around what I will call "barrel distortion correction in software" method
    as it was mentioned before

    PL45/2.8 has no distortions,

    photozone measured it as 0.07% pincushion using raw converter that is not following Panasonic tags for software corrections.

    it looks like Leica does not allow Panasonic to label the lens accordingly w/o designing it properly

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    Quote Originally Posted by deejjjaaaa View Post
    it looks like Leica does not allow Panasonic to label the lens accordingly w/o designing it properly
    Snore, sorry old debate. Software corrections have nothing to do with "properly" designing a lens.

    And Leica applies software corrections to their own lenses on their own bodies. Not geometric distortion, but both vignetting and color errors across the frame.

    But yes, exactly as you say, the 45/2.8 doesn't use software based geometric distortion correction.

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    I was a die-hard opponent to in-camera lens corrections, or at least I thought so. Then I bought the Pany 7-14

    If Panasonic can bring out a premium quality 14-35mm f/2.0 at the size indicated in the photos, there's bound to be in camera lens corrections. Bring it on, says I

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwalsh View Post
    Software corrections have nothing to do with "properly" designing a lens.
    it has, properly designed lenses do not have such huge distortions... and as a result they do not have noise banding as a result of software corrections

    Quote Originally Posted by kwalsh View Post
    And Leica applies software corrections to their own lenses on their own bodies. Not geometric distortion, but both vignetting and color errors across the frame.
    we are talking about geometric distortions here

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    Quote Originally Posted by deejjjaaaa View Post
    . and as a result they do not have noise banding as a result of software corrections
    do you have any references supporting that? I've never seen that in my images ... and I often use dcraw to do my demosiac and then compare to the JPG

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    Digital photography has always, and probably always will, be dependent on different kinds of optical corrections. Optical distortion is only a piece of that cakes. There's also CA, purple fringing, microlenses on the sensor not to speak about all the interesting things Leica is doing to get that "natural" Leica look with their digital Ms. If you want uncorrected, optically correct photos, shoot film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Digital photography has always, and probably always will, be dependent on different kinds of optical corrections. Optical distortion is only a piece of that cakes. There's also CA, purple fringing, microlenses on the sensor not to speak about all the interesting things Leica is doing to get that "natural" Leica look with their digital Ms. If you want uncorrected, optically correct photos, shoot film.
    Jorgen,

    sorry, but this statement is so wrong!

    You have the same optical flaws with film as you have with digital, only issue is that you will not see most of them because of the weaknesses of film and some will not even appear because of the forgivingness of film!

    But in general optics became much better since the introduction of film, they had to. In fact Leica M lenses have always been above normal standards, but even there you can see a number of improvements with the latest calculations for digital M.

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    Jorgen,

    sorry, but this statement is so wrong!

    You have the same optical flaws with film as you have with digital, only issue is that you will not see most of them because of the weaknesses of film and some will not even appear because of the forgivingness of film!

    But in general optics became much better since the introduction of film, they had to. In fact Leica M lenses have always been above normal standards, but even there you can see a number of improvements with the latest calculations for digital M.
    So there's no vignetting correction in Leica firmware, no correction of cyan corners, and the IR-cut filters was something the handed out instead of party hats?

    Most Nikon WA primes, 20, 24 and 28mm f/2.8, worked well with film, not because film was more forgiving, but because they were good lenses. On a digital sensor, you get vignetting, soft corners and massive CA, simply due to the fact that these lenses were not designed to work with a strongly reflective medium that is not even flat. The corner softness obviously can't be corrected in firmware, but vignetting and CA can, at least to a certain degree. What Nikon has done, is giving us new lenses designed for digital cameras. They are rather large, but they work well. That's the same approach that Olympus chose for the original 4/3 lenses btw. Things change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    If you want uncorrected, optically correct photos, shoot film.
    this really needs a like button



    or better yet, expose emulsion coated glass plates!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    So there's no vignetting correction in Leica firmware, no correction of cyan corners, and the IR-cut filters was something the handed out instead of party hats?
    There is all sort of corrections, right? And this gives you better images from the ground up.

    But if you - what you obviously like - take old lenses designed for analog and use them on digital sensors, then you will see all these flaws even much more than you could see them on film. BUT - on film they were also there!

    So stating that taking old glass on film gives better results because you do not have any flaws to correct is simply wrong.

    And yes, many of the new lenses designed for digital are larger, they need to be, in order to accomplish the much higher corrections needed for digital. But if you would use the same digitally optimized lenses on film, you would get better results too.

    BTW 1 - try going back to film - wish you good luck WRT workflow, IQ etc. Digital, even cheap digital, meanwhile easily outperforms film!

    BTW 2 - a bit off topic, did you finally get the E5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post

    BTW 1 - try going back to film - wish you good luck WRT workflow, IQ etc. Digital, even cheap digital, meanwhile easily outperforms film!

    BTW 2 - a bit off topic, did you finally get the E5?
    I have done much more on film lately than previously, and I enjoy it a lot, even the workflow. It slows me down and makes me think, but that's me

    E-5, not yet. I've ordered a couple of lenses for starters (Panaleica 14-50 and Sigma 50/1.4). They will hopefully arrive here next week. I need to do this step-by-step. Monies are only available in small piles, so I buy new gear as old bodies are wearing out.

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