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    Re: GX1!!! What say you GF1 lovers?

    Disappointed until I find out the specs. Looks little more than a retread of the GF-1. I cant' quite work out what the body is made of but it looks like plastic.

    I think the mobile01 pictures have disappeared but you can still see them here

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    I'm waiting for the GH-X1 ...
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    Re: GX1!!! What say you GF1 lovers?

    I think it looks really nice. Similar size to the GF3, but with hot shoe, can use an external EVF, better controls and grip. It's supposed to have the same sensor as the G3, with super-fast AF, and ISO12800. From the same rumors site, it has a metal body.

    Considering some of the software improvements since the GF1, plus the touch screen, stereo mic, "bounce" flash, smaller size, and new sensor, I think it will be a worthy successor. A lot of people seem to be complaining about a lack of a built-in EVF, but I don't really understand the gripe--just get the G3. I'd like to see a new higher-quality EVF offered though.

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    It looks similar to the GF1 without the drive dial. It also seem to have an add-on grip like the EP3. If it has a similar or better sensor than the G3 and is under $500 body only, I would most likely get it.

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    I'ld prefer a Zorki and will keep my GF1 and my LX3. Nothing really new or revolutionnary,
    just a way to make more money.

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    Won't be buying one! Don't like the look of it and that lens loks horrible too.

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    Re: GX1!!! What say you GF1 lovers?

    After I've moved to the NEX system I was so happy with high iso and latitude that I thought I would never want to go back, but Sony keeps coming up with large and bulky lenses, so I keep waiting for the Micro 4/3 system to come up with a sensor that can match the NEX's. After looking at the GX1 samples I'm really not impressed...which is a bummer because I really like the arsenal of available micro 4/3 lenses.

    http://www.photographyblog.com/previ...ic_gx1_photos/

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    GX1 has what is the best available current generation m43 sensor. You are not likely to get a better m43 sensor for a while until Panasonic develops its next generation of sensors. You can't change the fact that m43 sensors are smaller than NEX so they are likely going to stay behind NEX. Sure they will improve, but so will NEX and the gap will remain there.

    Nevertheless G3 / GH2 sensors are pretty good from what I have seen and if GX1 has the same sensor then it should be pretty good as well. GX1 is not revolutionary but it fills the void where we did not have a compact m43 camera with the better m43 sensor and better controls than GF2 / GF3.

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    Re: GX1!!! What say you GF1 lovers?

    looks to me like they got it so right with the (G1 and then) GF1 that they've gone back to that again.

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    Re: GX1!!! What say you GF1 lovers?

    A good (or at least thorough) review here: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/GX1/GX1A.HTM

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    Re: GX1!!! What say you GF1 lovers?

    I think if you were averse to the G3 because of the EVF then this is a good camera. I like my G3 and don't want to go back to an external finder.

    I do think that Panasonic has failed to break any new ground with the camera. For instance adding focus peaking or something similar.

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    I'm happy with my G3 and GH2. This one doesn't interest me.
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    I am pretty disappointed too. A specialist retailer in London had hinted that I would want to save my money for the new camera which would be very desirable. This is not it. Yes, a worthy successor to the GF-1 but I was expecting the 'pro'-build camera that there have been rumours about for some time and all we have here is what appears to be a desperate attempt to compete with Sony's new mirrorless offerings.

    If they really want to differentiate themselves then I'd offer this camera with the new Leica 25/1.4 as a bundle which would give it a competitive edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    If they really want to differentiate themselves then I'd offer this camera with the new Leica 25/1.4 as a bundle which would give it a competitive edge.
    I was waiting for this announcement before I wanted to decide to get the 25 1.4, since I hoped the new camera would be bundled with that lens. I guess now I have to decide to get the 25 standalone or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marlof View Post
    I was waiting for this announcement before I wanted to decide to get the 25 1.4, since I hoped the new camera would be bundled with that lens. I guess now I have to decide to get the 25 standalone or not.

    It is a fantastic lens - on any m43rds camera.

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    I was afraid you were going to say that. And in fact, I've made up my mind already, especially since the older version was one of my favorites FourThirds lens. I just got the E-P3 and 12f2 (to replace an E-P2 and 9-18) and the 25 1.4 (definitely an addition to the 20 1.7) and maybe the 45 1.8 (don't know yet if it will replace the PL45 2.8 macro, or be an addition, or won't be added) will be next. Resistance is futile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marlof View Post
    I was afraid you were going to say that. And in fact, I've made up my mind already, especially since the older version was one of my favorites FourThirds lens. I just got the E-P3 and 12f2 (to replace an E-P2 and 9-18) and the 25 1.4 (definitely an addition to the 20 1.7) and maybe the 45 1.8 (don't know yet if it will replace the PL45 2.8 macro, or be an addition, or won't be added) will be next. Resistance is futile.
    I'm quite interested in the 45/1.8 but I wouldn't ever sell my 45/2.8. Quite extraordinary draw to that lens. I think there is a case for owing both.

    Thinking of selling my 7-14 and getting the 12/2 just because of the size and aperture. Problem is, I know I would live to regret losing the 7-14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I think if you were averse to the G3 because of the EVF then this is a good camera. I like my G3 and don't want to go back to an external finder.

    I do think that Panasonic has failed to break any new ground with the camera. For instance adding focus peaking or something similar.
    Hi Terry
    focus peaking is such a no-brainer . . . if you want to use 3rd party lenses (or manual focus) it's more important than anything else . . . why aren't they doing it . . .or Olympus for that matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I do think that Panasonic has failed to break any new ground with the camera. For instance adding focus peaking or something similar.
    an excellent concept, hadn't heard of or thought of this before,but I'd willingly swap that on screen histogram for a similar sized focus peek on the focus point.

    while at it, I'd love to be able to elongate and lower the height of the panasonic histogram too

    wouldn't it be nice if we had cameras with open UI development where developers could work with it as they do iPhone and Android

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Terry
    focus peaking is such a no-brainer . . . if you want to use 3rd party lenses (or manual focus) it's more important than anything else . . . why aren't they doing it . . .or Olympus for that matter
    I think its fairly easy to understand (from a cynical point of view). They (the collective they, Panasonic, Olympus, etc…) have recognized there is this "enthusiast" market out there, so they are trying to cover it, but they don't understand it, so they keep missing. They see the hype and reaction to products like the Fuli X100, and they were most likely surprised by the "enthusiasts" getting excited about the original G1, but they don't really understand what they are aiming for, so they keep missing the target.

    I suspect Panasonic may be nervous about the NEX-5N and NEX-7, so they may just be trying to market the GX-1 as something it isn't?

    Not sure, but I see little draw here and one huge downside: a tilt screen. I have come to truly appreciate having both a tilt screen and a viewfinder that I would not give either up. This of course limits my choices :-).

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    The GX1 does look interesting, but I prefer an eye level finder and tend not to like add-on VFs.

    How well is the clip-on EVF going to work in that position in combination with a touchscreen? You've heard of butt-dialing cell phones, I'm concerned we're going to be putting up with nose-bumping settings.
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    i pretty much concur here with the assessment of the "miss". The downside definitely for me is lack of EVF and tilt screen. and it does limit my choices also. I'm happy with the G3 for now and find it a good upgrade, for me, from the G1--and GF1.


    Quote Originally Posted by greypilgrim View Post
    I think its fairly easy to understand (from a cynical point of view). They (the collective they, Panasonic, Olympus, etc…) have recognized there is this "enthusiast" market out there, so they are trying to cover it, but they don't understand it, so they keep missing. They see the hype and reaction to products like the Fuli X100, and they were most likely surprised by the "enthusiasts" getting excited about the original G1, but they don't really understand what they are aiming for, so they keep missing the target.

    I suspect Panasonic may be nervous about the NEX-5N and NEX-7, so they may just be trying to market the GX-1 as something it isn't?

    Not sure, but I see little draw here and one huge downside: a tilt screen. I have come to truly appreciate having both a tilt screen and a viewfinder that I would not give either up. This of course limits my choices :-).

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    I agree with the thought that a 25mm/1.4 bundle would be a really nice kit option. To me, much of the original GF1's appeal came from the lovely 20mm pancake in the kit. The 14-42mm X lens is a decent option for the masses (if the quality is there), but it's not an enthusiast lens. Maybe Leica will make a D-Lux branded GX1 with the 25mm?

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    Re: GX1!!! What say you GF1 lovers?

    That isn't really what focus peaking is. Look at the Sony's and what you get on video. When you bring something into focus you can see a color appear over the focused areas. Think of the flashing shadow and highlight warnings you can get on cameras and in this case you get a live view of what is coming into and out of focus as you focus the camera.

    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    an excellent concept, hadn't heard of or thought of this before,but I'd willingly swap that on screen histogram for a similar sized focus peek on the focus point.

    while at it, I'd love to be able to elongate and lower the height of the panasonic histogram too

    wouldn't it be nice if we had cameras with open UI development where developers could work with it as they do iPhone and Android

    :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    That isn't really what focus peaking is. Look at the Sony's and what you get on video. When you bring something into focus you can see a color appear over the focused areas. Think of the flashing shadow and highlight warnings you can get on cameras and in this case you get a live view of what is coming into and out of focus as you focus the camera.
    I thought we had a version of this with the shimmering that occurs in the EVF around areas that are in focus. Kind of a poor man's peaking, no?

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    Sony Nex 7 still number one in my wishlist. For various obvious reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    That isn't really what focus peaking is. Look at the Sony's and what you get on video. When you bring something into focus you can see a color appear over the focused areas. Think of the flashing shadow and highlight warnings you can get on cameras and in this case you get a live view of what is coming into and out of focus as you focus the camera.
    ok ... that makes sence ... still, I like my idea too :-)

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    I would have been MUCH MORE excited if they had taken this sensor and put it in an LX5 body with a constant 28-90mm f2.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    I would have been MUCH MORE excited if they had taken this sensor and put it in an LX5 body with a constant 28-90mm f2.0.
    It would have meant a HUGE lens.

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    It's the first non-SLR humped MFT camera with a sensor better than the GF1, so for that alone, it's a good thing for the system. The sensor improvement means little to me personally, so I'll be sticking with my E-P3.

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    I am not so much a fan of Panasonic cameras personally, rather prefer the look and feel of Olympus, but this GX1 seems to be really a great revolutionary step from Panasonic.

    So I will give it a try .....

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    Re: GX1!!! What say you GF1 lovers?

    I'm surprised that I haven't seen more people noticing the similarity in styling to the Panasonic L1... I like it, just a shame they couldn't have included an eye level viewfinder ala Nex-7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    I'm surprised that I haven't seen more people noticing the similarity in styling to the Panasonic L1... I like it, just a shame they couldn't have included an eye level viewfinder ala Nex-7.

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    I like the concept but (other than the sensor) it really doesn't appear to offer anything revolutionary over the GF2 we already own. If I didn't already own the GF2 I'd certainly entertain it but it's not giving me any huge urges to upgrade...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    I'm surprised that I haven't seen more people noticing the similarity in styling to the Panasonic L1... I like it, just a shame they couldn't have included an eye level viewfinder ala Nex-7.

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    I agree on both counts.

    I bet it's a nice camera, and with good captures, but I feel Panasonic missed an opportunity to really leap ahead.

    Oh well.

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    Anybody know if the new EVF can be used on the older cams?

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    Anybody know if the new EVF can be used on the older cams?
    It cannot. I think it is on Dpreview where you can see the difference in the two ports. I understood it had to do with a difference in data passed.

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    It cannot. I think it is on Dpreview where you can see the difference in the two ports. I understood it had to do with a difference in data passed.
    Thanks...but booo-urns

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    I'm surprised that I haven't seen more people noticing the similarity in styling to the Panasonic L1... I like it, just a shame they couldn't have included an eye level viewfinder ala Nex-7.
    + another 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    I'm surprised that I haven't seen more people noticing the similarity in styling to the Panasonic L1... I like it, just a shame they couldn't have included an eye level viewfinder ala Nex-7.

    Cheers

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    I did, and the first thing I did when I saw the photo of it was to place my L1 next to my monitor to compare. If the GX1 had a viewfinder, I would have loved to have one, but without one I'm out. Pity, because it's much better looking than the G3, and I could need a small body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    + another 1
    and another +1

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    Re: GX1!!! What say you GF1 lovers?

    Not impressed... no built-in EVF and no articulated LCD.. not to mention the resolution of the LCD.. no focus peaking.... the entire thing just seems to be an afterthought for those who embraced the GF1 due to its form factor and external controls.

    The biggest plus seems to be the improved AF speed.... that's about it.
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    GF1 is becoming like EP-RD1...one of its kind...there is simply no replacement....

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    I will say there is a difference in IQ between my GF1/G1 and my G3 and the ability to use higher ISOs is a decided plus. GX1 should be about the same so that's reason enough for some. I have no interest without integrated EVF and tilt LCD and I'm not as opposed to the "looks" of the G3 as others I guess. Its very nice in hand, doesn't seem bigger, maybe even less "tall" than GF1 with aux EVF which mine always sports, and I like the smaller but "enough" grip than the G1. So I'm not even thinking of adding the GX1 but for those that want the same GF1 form and the better IQ and better EVF, even having to add it, the GX1 is a possibility.

    It will be interesting to see how it sells. There are other options these days.

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    Re: GX1!!! What say you GF1 lovers?

    Not interested in this one. My finder for the GF1 came off a number of times, and twice I didn't think I'd find it again. I also don't want a touch screen that I can't flip over. It's not enough smaller than the G3 to matter, and with the viewfinder it isn't at all smaller.

    The G3 and GH2 do very well for me right now. I'll wait for a truly upgraded body, hopefully with (among other things) faster operation and a significantly upgraded buffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    It will be interesting to see how it sells. There are other options these days.
    Quite. This is not the 'killer-camera' that Panasonic fans were hoping for.

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    I think GX1 became a victim of the rumor hype In reality GX1 is the missing GF1 successor and it completely makes sense in that capacity. It gets the improved sensor and improved AF and an option to use an improved EVF compared to what GF1 had. A good package for those who want an update to their GF1. GF2 and GF3 didn't fit that role very well but GX1 does.

    The fact that the rumors guys chose to call it names like "GF Pro" or speculated that it will be a NEX7 competitor is probably what set the wrong expectations. Panasonic may or may not have a NEX7 type camera in the works but GX1 is not that camera folks. Plus we have to keep in mind that unlike Sony, Panasonic also has G3 and GH2 so there is not as much room for yet another camera with built-in viewfinder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    I'm surprised that I haven't seen more people noticing the similarity in styling to the Panasonic L1... I like it, just a shame they couldn't have included an eye level viewfinder ala Nex-7.

    Cheers

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    And yet another +1... I would have been happy for them to dump the inbuilt flash if that gave it enough room. Sure the G3 is there for inbuilt EVF but the GX1 could have been something akin to to the X100 (minus OFV) but with changeable lens. Something many many have asked for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usathyan View Post
    GF1 is becoming like EP-RD1...one of its kind...there is simply no replacement....
    in what way is this not a reasonable replacment for the GF1?

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