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    I'll take it... make that two



    Unfortunately, it's not for real

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Ok, I'm clueless....what's this all about Jorgen? That camera/lens combo sure looks good.....almost "classic" looking.

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Somebody photoshopped an OM-1, making an m4/3 camera out of it. The OM-1 was my main camera for 30 years. I wouldn't mind a digital version

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    yet another OM fan here ... I was initially "yess" then saw it wasn't so.

    I still use my OM-10 but my OM1 was stolen ... sigh

    always dreamed of being able to afford the OM-4, now that I can there's hardly any point :-)

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    I'm right with you on this one Jorgen.
    lovely concept . . . surely someone can do it?
    an FM2d would be an acceptable substitute!

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    It would be an incredibly interesting and compelling move by Olympus (or Nikon) to drop a 35mm sensor in one of these old manual SLR models. Make mine a digital OM-2N or FM3A though. I like me some aperture-priority autoexposure .

    It can't be that hard, and there would be none of those pesky issues about custom microlenses and the like. They could drop a 5D Classic sensor in there, and people would buy it in droves.

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post


    Unfortunately, it's not for real

    Reason it will never happen, take a look a the price of a Leica M9, then divide it by two, and you've have roughly the price of an OM1D. When The OM-1n went out of production in the 1980's, the body was costing Olympus over $400.00 to make. The cheap plastic bodies of today and the relatively cheap magnesium cast bodies of the higher-end DSLR's are much cheaper to fabricate than the brass and chrome and steel bodies of the past.

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by RichA View Post
    Reason it will never happen, take a look a the price of a Leica M9, then divide it by two, and you've have roughly the price of an OM1D. When The OM-1n went out of production in the 1980's, the body was costing Olympus over $400.00 to make. The cheap plastic bodies of today and the relatively cheap magnesium cast bodies of the higher-end DSLR's are much cheaper to fabricate than the brass and chrome and steel bodies of the past.
    So then make it a little bit less nice! The build quality of a Bessa R3A suits me fine, and that is a current production, very reasonably priced camera.

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

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    So then make it a little bit less nice! The build quality of a Bessa R3A suits me fine, and that is a current production, very reasonably priced camera.
    Isn't the Bessa based on the same body as the OM 2000 and the Nikon FM10, and the Yashica FX-3 Super 2000 and probably some more cameras that I haven't heard about?

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Isn't the Bessa based on the same body as the OM 2000 and the Nikon FM10, and the Yashica FX-3 Super 2000 and probably some more cameras that I haven't heard about?
    It's based on the same shutter assembly and film transport subframe, but the rest of the body was reworked for the rangefinder and shorter mount register required for LTM and M-bayonet lens mounts. All of these SLR cameras were built by Cosina for their respective brand manufacturer*as an OEM, a cost cutting maneuver for the very bottom end of the film SLR market.

    The OM-1n was a very nice camera and I enjoyed mine quite a lot, but in the end I preferred the Nikon FM (1977 intro ?) and then FM2n of about ten years later much more. They were much more robustly built, particularly the FM2n. I had a pair of FMs and then an FM2n from 1981 until 2001 ... never a single problem with them.

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    I think we could do it tho! It probably wouldn't take too much machining to insert and rewire a E-PM1 to fit inside the OM1 film body!

    Oh great! Yet another project I'll never start! Jorgen... You weenie!

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    You don't have to, Tess. They seem to be doing something in this direction after all.

    http://www.43rumors.com/

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Funny that - they must have been reading this forum
    OM-D it is
    but will it be good?
    Here's hoping.

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    That was the OMG thread about, Jorgen. The "OMG" comes from an actual Olympus teaser/invitation.

    It looks like it (OMD) is a retro looking but pricier GH-2.

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    That was the OMG thread about, Jorgen. The "OMG" comes from an actual Olympus teaser/invitation.

    It looks like it (OMD) is a retro looking but pricier GH-2.
    Well yes - not sure what you were expecting . . I suppose it might have been an SLT

    Still, nothing wrong with the GH-2, and we all like a pretty camera . . . and it's weather sealed - pity the lens doesn't sound like a competitor for the gorgeous 12-60 Zuiko (still one of my all time favourite lenses).

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Well, as usual, the next Panasonic camera, the GH-3 is the one to look forward to.

    The GH-2 is a superb tool!

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Well, as usual, the next Panasonic camera, the GH-3 is the one to look forward to.
    I guess you're probably right
    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    The GH-2 is a superb tool!
    again . . doesn't float my boat though.

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    But it flies my plane!

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    If this OM-D or however it is called would have a FF sensor, then it would be good. But that would also mean a new mount, as I guess nobody would really like to do just manual photography today, plus all the MF lenses - no matter which vendor - are just not up to digital requirements of today. So this would mean another lens line from Olympus ....

    .... come on, I think this is just wishful thinking

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    If this OM-D or however it is called would have a FF sensor, then it would be good. But that would also mean a new mount, as I guess nobody would really like to do just manual photography today, plus all the MF lenses - no matter which vendor - are just not up to digital requirements of today. So this would mean another lens line from Olympus ....

    .... come on, I think this is just wishful thinking
    Hmmm - I'd say that Leica's MF lenses are up to the digital requirements of today - and so are most of the Contax, Zeiss, . . . there are lots!

    However, As Vivek says - I would expect a rather more solid and satisfying version of the GH-2

    Olympus aren't going to make a full frame camera right now (why would they?)

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hmmm - I'd say that Leica's MF lenses are up to the digital requirements of today - and so are most of the Contax, Zeiss, . . . there are lots!

    However, As Vivek says - I would expect a rather more solid and satisfying version of the GH-2

    Olympus aren't going to make a full frame camera right now (why would they?)
    I agree there are exceptions of MF lenses, which are pretty good even for digital - mainly agree these are Leica M and Zeiss lenses.

    Having said that, even Leica shows continually that newer designs of their M glass are better suited for digital as their older counterparts.

    But from the Canon, Nikon and other vendors range I do not see this great compatibility of their old MF designs for digital. Especially I can speak for Olympus, where I shot the E5 (superb camera) with the 14-35 and the 35-100 and all the old MF lenses I tried were nice to use and produced interesting results, but did not even come close to what the new digital designs could achieve.

    Further I think the OM-D will be a m43 camera and I do NOT see Olympus really coming up with an E-system like lens lineup for m43. And please - do not start discussing adapters here, they really suck. So I cannot see where this new "pro m43" system should come even close to what the E system could deliver and could have even better delivered if Olympus only had concentrated on further developing the E system instead of only fooling around on the m43 trail of their cameras. Really too bad decisions which were obviously made already some years ago.

    So yes, the OM-D might become a nice to have camera, but for sure not a real replacement for the E system.

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    There have been some very unsubstantiated rumors of a 36mm sq sensored live view (mirrorless) cam either from Samsung or Olympus or both.

    In any event, I look for function. If I want nostalgic stuff with knobs, I have plenty to look at.

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    And please - do not start discussing adapters here, they really suck.
    Oh!
    I've just bought 2 adapters - I rather like classic lenses on modern cameras . . . However they do need to have one of two things (both is best)

    Character
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    As for nostalgic stuff with knobs . . I think Vivek might be talking about me.

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Unfortunately, you are not the only one fond of knobs, Jono. There is a whole retro craze with crippled new cameras from pretty much every manufacturer- including Samsung.

    Any of your adapters offer movements? It is better to use monster lenses on petite bodies with tiny sensors with some added function, no?

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    So yes, the OM-D might become a nice to have camera, but for sure not a real replacement for the E system.
    but enough of being flippant Peter - I do agree - way back when, with the advent of the E1 and the pro-line lenses Olympus had a jewel in their hand, and they basically threw it away. To be honest I think it was the sensor design which let them down - the lenses were fabulous, the camera handling was fabulous . . . . .

    incidentally, as an aside, did you know that the Sony A77 is exactly the same size as an Olympus E1?

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Unfortunately, you are not the only one fond of knobs, Jono. There is a whole retro craze with crippled new cameras from pretty much every manufacturer- including Samsung.
    No Vivek - it was you that said you like knobs! I was just implying that I was old with knobs . . . .I don't think i have any of these retro cameras (surely the M9 doesn't count as retro)- certainly I wouldn't call the NEX7 retro (would you?). I found the Fuji X100 to be a triumph of style over function, and I'm pretty sure that the new X1 will be the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Any of your adapters offer movements? It is better to use monster lenses on petite bodies with tiny sensors with some added function, no?
    Well, the hawks factory adaptor for Sony E with the helicoid is fantastically good fun - focus a noctilux down to 25cm (Oh Yes) focus a 28 summicron down to 10cm!

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    I was actually saying that if I wanted knobs.. anyway..

    Most lenses, with the exception of the Leica RF ones do the close focus focusing quite easily. A lot of the modern ones also have additional corrections for such close ranges as well.

    Didn't Leica make a variety of close up accessories for the M a long time ago?

    NOOKY, SOOKY and such?

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I was actually saying that if I wanted knobs.. anyway..
    I think that perhaps discussion of knobs should end here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Most lenses, with the exception of the Leica RF ones do the close focus focusing quite easily. A lot of the modern ones also have additional corrections for such close ranges as well.

    Didn't Leica make a variety of close up accessories for the M a long time ago?

    NOOKY, SOOKY and such?
    They did make them, but they were a paint to use - the joy of the Hawks adapter is that you just spin the (nicely damped) mount, and you can focus your M lenses much closer than any other M lenses I've found (I agree that the contax and zeiss lenses focus closer,but it's usually only down to 1/2 metre). Spin it back and you can focus to infinity.

    What's interesting is how different lenses are different - the 28 'cron really does almost behave like a macro.

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    I missed the possible connotations the word knob could elicit!

    I agree the Hawk stuff is quite convenient. You have a built in level gauge (NEX-7) and there is no need for extra parallax correction aids.

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I missed the possible connotations the word knob could elicit!
    Ah! Yes! I thought that one better stop running!
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    I agree the Hawk stuff is quite convenient. You have a built in level gauge (NEX-7) and there is no need for extra parallax correction aids.
    Exactly - good fun
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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Well, as usual, the next Panasonic camera, the GH-3 is the one to look forward to.

    The GH-2 is a superb tool!
    Only if you like paying $1100 for a body about as good as a Nikon D3100. Panasonic needs to move to metal.

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    That was the OMG thread about, Jorgen. The "OMG" comes from an actual Olympus teaser/invitation.

    It looks like it (OMD) is a retro looking but pricier GH-2.
    Apparently, $1100 or so for the new body. Cheaper than the new Fuji anyway. But if it's anything like an OM-1, then it will be worth it. I would love this, I can get away from Panasonic and their lack of in-body stabilization.

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by RichA View Post
    I would love this, I can get away from Panasonic and their lack of in-body stabilization.
    ... and their weird battery policy, which was what stopped me from buying the GH2.

    Seems that we have two threads going on about that. Sorry about that. Better to continue on the OMG thread?

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    but enough of being flippant Peter - I do agree - way back when, with the advent of the E1 and the pro-line lenses Olympus had a jewel in their hand, and they basically threw it away. To be honest I think it was the sensor design which let them down - the lenses were fabulous, the camera handling was fabulous . . . . .

    incidentally, as an aside, did you know that the Sony A77 is exactly the same size as an Olympus E1?
    No I did not know that the A77 is similar size as E1 ...

    Are you trying to convince me for a Sony A77? I am not so resistant you should know ....

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    Re: I'll take it... make that two

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Oh!
    I've just bought 2 adapters - I rather like classic lenses on modern cameras . . . However they do need to have one of two things (both is best)

    Character
    Quality

    As for nostalgic stuff with knobs . . I think Vivek might be talking about me.
    Sure Jono,

    I should have been more specific!

    I certainly do agree that adapters to use Leica MF glass in manual way are a great thing!

    What I wanted to refer to was adapters which allow to use E system glass on m43 - all I tried really sucked! Very badly!

    So my hope is gone to see any meaningful reuse of expensive E system pro glass on any future m43 pro camera. Unfortunately! And this was also one of the reasons I stepped out of both - E system as well as m43. No hope for a really functional future in sight.

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