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    Immediate impression form skipping through the manual is how well written and understandable it is. Having struggled with the documentation from various Panasonic's that a pleasant surprise.
    The camera itself seems to have some nifty capabilities. If it gets the nod from respected reviewers, a switch to the other m4/3 horse could be irresistible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by les View Post
    Immediate impression form skipping through the manual is how well written and understandable it is
    I agree. There are a few omissions, but these won't be an issue once we get the camera in hand. For example, p. 21 describes the enticing Live Guides, with sliders, accessible on the touch screen when shooting in iAuto mode.

    It does mention three of the guides, though: [Shooting Tips], [Blur Background], and [Express Motions].

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    yes there are a few things to be careful of here
    lag for the EVF is 29ms
    and yes that 'timing' equates to some very good SLR shutter speed responses
    but that EVF lag may not be the only limitation to OM-D

    so we still have to wait and see,
    ...........but IR will publish it when they do their review
    I wonder how this compares with Sony's NEX-7 EVF or Nikon's V1's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    with all due respect, but the claim that the EP2 would have the FASTEST AF was simply WRONG.

    How many cameras should I mention here which are faster?
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    Go for it - I like a good list

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Peter
    Go for it - I like a good list
    Just a few ones: Nikon V1, D700, D7000 and in order not to look Nikon minded, even the E5 had a faster AF when used with the 12-60. And all AF results more accurate. Plus only from playing around a bit with Canon, also the 7D is faster. This was under good light, the accuracy and speed are even better with lower light when you talk about any Nikon AF.

    Not sure if I should continue?

    My point is that Olympus marketing is always very outspoken with "fastest AF" , but actually if they would not claim this, it just would be fine! AF of the EP3 is fast, but for sure not the fastest and most accurate. So I assume the same will be true for the OMD.

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Just a few ones: Nikon V1, D700, D7000 and in order not to look Nikon minded, even the E5 had a faster AF when used with the 12-60. And all AF results more accurate. Plus only from playing around a bit with Canon, also the 7D is faster. This was under good light, the accuracy and speed are even better with lower light when you talk about any Nikon AF.

    Not sure if I should continue?

    My point is that Olympus marketing is always very outspoken with "fastest AF" , but actually if they would not claim this, it just would be fine! AF of the EP3 is fast, but for sure not the fastest and most accurate. So I assume the same will be true for the OMD.
    Well, I guess they've found a set of circumstances where the claim is true, be it ever so rare!
    I'm inclined to agree with you though. It's a kind of reverse of the english expression 'crying wolf'.

    My impression is that Olympus have probably the fastest AF of the mirrorless cameras (the EP3 was certainly faster than the NEX7). So I don't think we should despair of the OMD.....

    Incidentally, I was off on a (rather leisurely) endurance ride with Emma today, and the official photographer was using an E5 with the 90-250, refreshing, and he certainly nailed focus (but lost points by taking dreadful shots of us!

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Some interesting pre-production RAW images over here:
    OM-D E-M5 image samples developed from RAW - Four Thirds User discussion forum

    The author uses a variation of the process often outlined by Brian: Viewer RAW output (no NR) to TIFF to LR (or your PP software of choice). In order to comply with Olympus restrictions on pre-production RAW, he publishes in compressed (1600x1200) jpeg.

    The results are quite striking and seem to confirm a 1 to 2 stop advantage over the E-P3. In any case, the output looks pretty darn good!

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    Must agree that the images look really great!

    Starting even more to hate Olympus, as they did not bring the E5 with that sensor - or the GH2 sensor of the time the E5 was coming to market. This would for sure have kept me as an E system user.

    But the OMD seems to be really good WRT IQ and high ISO!

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    Bear in mind that Olympus viewer applies noise reduction to raw files, even when set to 'no NR'... but even so, the E-M5 looks to be a significant improvement over that of the E-P3 which is excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Bear in mind that Olympus viewer applies noise reduction to raw files, even when set to 'no NR'... but even so, the E-M5 looks to be a significant improvement over that of the E-P3 which is excellent.

    Cheers

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    Not only the EP3, but even more the E5!

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Not only the EP3, but even more the E5!
    Yes, combined with weathersealing and the weathersealed 4/3rds adapter the E-M5 should have been a no brainer addition to the E-3/E-5 user. Just a shame Olympus didn't go all the way and solve the focusing speed challenge for 4/3rds lenses

    Maybe they're building a mirrorless E-6 with m4/3rds mount and 4/3rds adapter included? the E-M5 is a bit small for an E-5 main body replacement.

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    AF is the one thing they absolutely need to get a handle on.

    You would think that would have been the priority before they cut off the Exxx and Exx users. While they have been playing with CDAF with some success for mFT, there isnt an alternative to phased AF even if it is phased CDAF. I dont think we can contemplate 4/3rds glass being usable (as we know it) on mFT until this void is bridged.

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Riley View Post
    AF is the one thing they absolutely need to get a handle on.

    You would think that would have been the priority before they cut off the Exxx and Exx users. While they have been playing with CDAF with some success for mFT, there isnt an alternative to phased AF even if it is phased CDAF. I dont think we can contemplate 4/3rds glass being usable (as we know it) on mFT until this void is bridged.
    You're right - looking at the E-P1, it took Olympus some time to get CDAF performance going... an E620 successor would have been ideal in the meantime.

    The E-M5 is so close... it screams for PDAF lens performance.

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    Among camera aware photographers the reception has been very promising, to the extent it will probably move off the shelves much as X100 did. We can only imagine what it would have been like for 4/3rds users, who since becoming aware of the AF performance with 4/3rds lenses probably feel a little locked out, even a little despondent.

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Yes, combined with weathersealing and the weathersealed 4/3rds adapter the E-M5 should have been a no brainer addition to the E-3/E-5 user. Just a shame Olympus didn't go all the way and solve the focusing speed challenge for 4/3rds lenses

    Maybe they're building a mirrorless E-6 with m4/3rds mount and 4/3rds adapter included? the E-M5 is a bit small for an E-5 main body replacement.

    Cheers

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    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riley View Post
    Among camera aware photographers the reception has been very promising, to the extent it will probably move off the shelves much as X100 did. We can only imagine what it would have been like for 4/3rds users, who since becoming aware of the AF performance with 4/3rds lenses probably feel a little locked out, even a little despondent.
    A weathersealed, high grade 17mm f1.4 would have been an awesome kit lens for the E-M5... and would grab a lot of those X100 owners concerned about slow AF and fixed lens (I'm not).

    As for 4/3rds users - Olympus must be running pretty hard these days to do all the right things... maybe it was left out in the desire to get the E-M5 to market, less important to the huge m4/3rds market they're pursuing but vitally important to their long term users

    Meanwhile, Ian Burley has confirmed that the sensor is definitely not Panasonic... which is a significant departure for Olympus - they must be getting keen to thrive in this space!

    Cheers

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Meanwhile, Ian Burley has confirmed that the sensor is definitely not Panasonic... which is a significant departure for Olympus - they must be getting keen to thrive in this space!
    "I have a source to protect". Hardly sounds like a "confirmation" to me.

    It is just yet another rumor in the never ending line of speculation that Olympus appear to relish.

    See: 43 Rumors | Blog | Olympus: PEN cameras can have built-in viewfinder, E-7 already planned.

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    that sensor thing will never be resolved.
    I cant see Olympus ever saying where the sensor comes from, but I wouldnt be surprised if at its heart its Panasonic,
    rewired and retopped for Olympus by some contract outfit.

    A source at another forum and close to Olympus told me recently that non of the sensors theyve used have ever been identical to those used by Panasonic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    "I have a source to protect". Hardly sounds like a "confirmation" to me.
    perhaps b/se you have never been in this position before
    if he gives up his source then the inside information ends
    and he loses friends forever

    it is a situation of trust, and it is uncompromising

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

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    perhaps b/se you have never been in this position before
    if he gives up his source then the inside information ends
    and he loses friends forever

    it is a situation of trust, and it is uncompromising
    How does this make it a "confirmation"? That is my point.

    It is just another rumor.

    Either Olympus disclose who made the sensor or the specialist outfit that takes apart cameras and sensors will find out who made the sensor, if they ever dismantle the EM-5.

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    How does this make it a "confirmation"? That is my point.

    It is just another rumor.
    you havent been in that position
    thats why you think the way you do

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek
    Either Olympus disclose who made the sensor or the specialist outfit that takes apart cameras and sensors will find out who made the sensor, if they ever dismantle the EM-5.
    I dont think Olympus will ever say, it is rather like that Nikon / Sony / Renesas/ NEC thing thats been going on for 4 years, the matter of what came first etc., we wont ever know....

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    I was a bit shocked, and I'm guessing it's a sensitive matter for the partnership - to see Olympus move elsewhere for the sensor.

    If true though, I think it's good for m4/3rds in the long run - to have an alternative to Panasonic for 4/3rds format sensor... promotes stronger competition and innovation.

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Riley View Post
    you havent been in that position
    thats why you think the way you do


    Riley, You are easily satisfied with rumors. Well and good.

    Please refrain from speculating on who I am or what I hear or what I do. This sensor crap isn't a personal thing for me. Understand that.

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    I also find it good if there is competition in m43 (43) sensors. I personally think that Sony does a better job than Panasonic, so there is hope ....

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    ultimately there is no certainty about anything we know
    as the source of all knowledge in whole or in part is always from elsewhere

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    Make Up Mode

    I was watching a video of the OM-D launch in Malaysia and there was a demo of the Make up mode, on the OM-D. I didnt see this feature in the user manual, wonder if anyone has a clue if this is included. It looks like a REALLY COOL capability.

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Sorry if you've seen this before... But these videos make me want to switch camp (currently using NEX5n)

    Wow, great sample video of the Olympus OM-D E-M5 5 Axis Image Stabilization | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hosermage View Post
    Sorry if you've seen this before... But these videos make me want to switch camp (currently using NEX5n)

    Wow, great sample video of the Olympus OM-D E-M5 5 Axis Image Stabilization | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS
    What is odd is that I thought on Panasonic this is already normal. When you do video the OIS is always on and the view you see on LCD and EVF is already stabilized. So while the 5 axis maybe new, having a stabilized view certainly isn't.

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Having stabilized view is nothing new at all. Isn't that the nature of any live view cam?

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    Stabilized live view is only activated on the E-M5 when the shutter release button is half depressed. I hope it can be disabled since I like to see how hard the stabilisation will have to work.

    I do wonder how significant the rotational correction will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    What is odd is that I thought on Panasonic this is already normal. When you do video the OIS is always on and the view you see on LCD and EVF is already stabilized. So while the 5 axis maybe new, having a stabilized view certainly isn't.
    The issue is that in the Olympus cameras this is built into the camera body - called IBIS. So it is available with every lens, also without image stabilized lenses.

    Having shot the E5 for over a year I can only say that this IBIS was already superb. The IBIS of the OM-D must be even much better because of 5 axis are stabilized.

    Si I assume that also stabilized view is improving.

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    The issue is that in the Olympus cameras this is built into the camera body - called IBIS. So it is available with every lens, also without image stabilized lenses.

    Having shot the E5 for over a year I can only say that this IBIS was already superb. The IBIS of the OM-D must be even much better because of 5 axis are stabilized.

    Si I assume that also stabilized view is improving.
    Peter - I understand IBIS vs OIS and lens that aren't stabilized. This wasn't the point. With stabilization on Panasonic the live view is already stabilized and isn't jumpy. It seems that on Oly everyone is making a big deal of this new stabilized live view on half press -- which isn't new technology just new perhaps to Oly.

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    This certainly seems to be the most advanced stabilization system available... In that it will support all lenses and also works with video.

    I wonder how long this 5 axis stabilisation will work with video on a single battery... and how they've managed to cancel out the sensor movement noise in video.

    Should be interesting to read some first hand reports soon.

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    Yes, it looks to be very effective on the LCD. However it seems that people are getting blown away by the fact that all the sudden the live view display goes from a jumping mess to smooth and that isn't anything new and it doesn't prove anything really about how well the IS works on movies or stills.

    Yes it will work for all lenses, but I would prefer a stabilized view without having to half press the shutter to get it. Will be interesting to see how this works when you want a stabilized view but don't want to lock your focus or exposure at that precise moment or spot in the frame.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    This certainly seems to be the most advanced stabilization system available... In that it will support all lenses and also works with video.

    I wonder how long this 5 axis stabilisation will work with video on a single battery... and how they've managed to cancel out the sensor movement noise in video.

    Should be interesting to read some first hand reports soon.

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Peter - I understand IBIS vs OIS and lens that aren't stabilized. This wasn't the point. With stabilization on Panasonic the live view is already stabilized and isn't jumpy. It seems that on Oly everyone is making a big deal of this new stabilized live view on half press -- which isn't new technology just new perhaps to Oly.
    It's a new thing on IBIS. For obvious reasons, it wasn't possible with an optical viewfinder and IBIS. Why it wasn't on the PEN models, I don't know. But this is marketing. They will listen any possible feature and call it news if it's even remotely possible. 95% of the potential customer don't have a clue anyway. They just push the shutter release

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    What thrilled me wasn't the activation of the stabilization with half-pressed shutter button, but how well it was doing it. I don't know what you guys are used to, but coming from the NEX5n, I was just amazed on how much better it was at stabilizing, super fast autofocus, not to mention the tap on LCD to trigger focus and shutter.

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Peter - I understand IBIS vs OIS and lens that aren't stabilized. This wasn't the point. With stabilization on Panasonic the live view is already stabilized and isn't jumpy. It seems that on Oly everyone is making a big deal of this new stabilized live view on half press -- which isn't new technology just new perhaps to Oly.
    Ok, understand what you mean.

    Now here comes my point - with all DSLRs I have shot and stabilized lenses, (Nikon, Canon) there is a mode when the lens IS is always on, so you get a stabilized view as well.

    So what is so new that we discuss it here? Please help me understand ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Yes, it looks to be very effective on the LCD. However it seems that people are getting blown away by the fact that all the sudden the live view display goes from a jumping mess to smooth and that isn't anything new and it doesn't prove anything really about how well the IS works on movies or stills.

    Yes it will work for all lenses, but I would prefer a stabilized view without having to half press the shutter to get it. Will be interesting to see how this works when you want a stabilized view but don't want to lock your focus or exposure at that precise moment or spot in the frame.
    +1

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    I wonder if you'll be able to assign stabilized view to a function button... That's possible on the Olympus DSLR.

    Something to check in due course.

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    could be a matter of what AF mode you are in too. CAF might see IS on all the time after initial half press

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    I wonder if you'll be able to assign stabilized view to a function button... That's possible on the Olympus DSLR.

    Something to check in due course.

    Cheers

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    When stabilization is active, that is all you can see in live view. No button can take care of that.

    I think the Olympus demonstration is about how noticeably effective it is with the EM-5.

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    When stabilization is active, that is all you can see in live view. No button can take care of that.

    I think the Olympus demonstration is about how noticeably effective it is with the EM-5.
    No, you can have stabilisation enabled for the exposure but not enabled for live view (i.e. composition).

    What we're told is that we can have stabilisation activated (or not) while the shutter release is half depressed.

    Cheers

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    When I half press the shutter release on my NEX-7, the OSS in the 50/1.8 kicks-in and makes all the noise. Whenever OSS/IBIS/VR and such is active, with a live view camera, that is what is shown on the display. Why would anyone filter that out and cause extra shutter lag in that process?

    How noticeable the effect of the stabilization and whether that is noticeable is another question.

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    Vivek, how fast is the AF on Nex with the SLR lenses?

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Confusing Q, Riley.

    With the E mount primes (AKA native lenses, all have IF) on the NEX-7, the AF speed is slow* and for my use isn't accurate* either.

    I don't have any zooms.

    * In comparison with how the GH-2 performs.

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    First official E-M5 image samples - the shadow detail in the portrait looks very promising.

    Cheers

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    I've always looked upon the Olympus "art" filters as toys, but the one used in the last sample is actually rather cool. Is it possible to shoot RAW plus filtered jpeg?

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    First official E-M5 image samples - the shadow detail in the portrait looks very promising.

    Cheers

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    It is actually astounding considering the aperture used (f/8) and the diffraction.

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I've always looked upon the Olympus "art" filters as toys, but the one used in the last sample is actually rather cool. Is it possible to shoot RAW plus filtered jpeg?
    Yes, you can shoot RAW plus jpeg (in whichever mode you wish). Also, there's art filter bracketing if you want it.

    I'm going to get those Fuji X-Pro 1 samples up again and have a serious think! unfortunately, I can't find any ISO 200 samples from the Fuji - but the ISO 800 shots look damned clean

    Cheers

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    Last edited by Brian Mosley; 24th February 2012 at 05:11.

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    Re: Olympus OM-D discussion

    Hmmm - they do look quite good don't they.
    I imagine that the camera will appear the day we get back from China!
    Brian - are you get an X-pro1 as well, or instead of an OMD?

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