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    Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Well . . . . I just saw that they have them in stock at Warehouseexpress . . . I'm picking it up at lunchtime. (this means that the 70 will have to wait).

    So - has anyone else got one yet?

    If so - let's have some snaps.

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Eagerly awaiting mine. But given Panasonic and their delivery in the US, that could be a while...

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Got mine yesterday......first impression is very good. There is nothing "plasticky" about this lens.

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich M View Post
    Got mine yesterday......first impression is very good. There is nothing "plasticky" about this lens.

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    Just got mine - as you say, nothing plasticky . . it's a bit 'bling' though. Also, after a few minutes mine started making a big noise focusing - switching off and on sorted it. Strange. . . . . maybe it didn't like the rain!

    Here are some first shots - nothing special I'm afraid, it's raining here (of course, I didn't need to say that!).
    On the other hand, it looks sharp, and the bokeh is nice too.
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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    You inspired me to call Panasonic....They seem to be expecting their first batch at the beginning of the week. I assume my order is in that first batch.

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Sigh....You all are making it tough to abide by my 'waiting until Photokina" discipline but I'm still not sure about this lens. I've noticed on another forum people selling the 25/1.4 because they didn't feel they would use it now having this lens. I love the 25/1.4, absolutely my favorite m4/3 lens. I wonder if I need this lens (other than I would like 12mm) since I also have the 45/2.8. Well, since its not available and the EM5 body only black is tough to find I have time to cogitate on both LOL.

    Jono--trying out the water resistant capabilities of the lens <smile>??????

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    I don't see this lens supplanting the use of the 25mm. Those extra two stops are not only good for indoors but do make a difference in DOF control.

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    Mine arrived at lunchtime today care of WEX.

    Not tried it much other than a quick comparison with the PL 25mm and the 12-50mm kit lens. It looks very promising indeed, and maybe the PL will have to go! I think the bokeh is a touch nicer the the 25mm at f2.8, softer and less edgy.

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    HI Diane - Terry]
    I can't see why it would supplant the 25 either - it's quite a bit bigger. Still worried about mine - it started clattering again when focusing and needed to be switched off and on.

    It did get wet - apparently today in England we're due the full amount of rain we normally expect in July . . . . . having said that, the sun just came out. I nipped into the office garden and took these:












    . . . . and Silas working at 12mm . . . I must get back to work!



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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Well while they have the lenses in stock, I would take a ride back and test another lens for a swap. What nice natural light in the office!

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Well while they have the lenses in stock, I would take a ride back and test another lens for a swap. What nice natural light in the office!
    Well - I can't go back today (taken too much time off already) - I'll give it a go tomorrow - it might settle down, it's also just possible that it wasn't turned far enough. We shall see.
    Results seem okay though.

    The office is lovely - it does get hot though!

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Jono, were you in A-mode when the chatter started? The PL25 did that a couple of times to me, and looking at the lens, I can see the aperture open/close to create the horrible sound. However, I was already in A-mode, so I don't get why it was doing that. As you said, turning it on/off fixed it, and it hasn't happen again (fingers crossed) for a few weeks now.
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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Frankly I couldn't see any reason to feel it supplanted the 25 either. Odd.... But since I always carry the 25 and 45 will I get enough use from the zoom (other than @ 12) is my question I guess. Be a wonderful travel lens has been my thinking since I was a heavy user of the 24-70 with Canon but is that a good enough reason (trying to be rational LOL).

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    It seems its a close up day. This at f2.8. The reason I would now sell the PL is because I have a proper Summilux ASPH which I would use for even shallower DOF if I was persuaded shallow DOF for DOF's sake was the way to go. Anyway, I think this 12-35 has pretty nice bokeh, and the IQ is as good as the PL. Click on image to enlarge.

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by 250swb View Post
    It seems its a close up day. This at f2.8. The reason I would now sell the PL is because I have a proper Summilux ASPH which I would use for even shallower DOF if I was persuaded shallow DOF for DOF's sake was the way to go. Anyway, I think this 12-35 has pretty nice bokeh, and the IQ is as good as the PL. Click on image to enlarge.

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    So you are comparing the 25f1.4 to which "proper" Summilux (21, 24, 35, 50)? Of course a longer focal length than 25 will be different.

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    12-35 at f2.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    So you are comparing the 25f1.4 to which "proper" Summilux (21, 24, 35, 50)? Of course a longer focal length than 25 will be different.
    A PL 25mm Summilux is equivalent to a 50mm lens in 35mm format. So it is therefore equivalent to a 50mm Summilux. I wouldn't have made a comparison if it had been something else

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by 250swb View Post
    12-35 at f2.8

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    Nice shot - if you want short depth of field, it's there to be taken. . . . and the bokeh seems excellent as well.

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by 250swb View Post
    A PL 25mm Summilux is equivalent to a 50mm lens in 35mm format. So it is therefore equivalent to a 50mm Summilux. I wouldn't have made a comparison if it had been something else

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    Yes but it sounded like you were going to use that lens on m4/3 instead of the 25mm and then it clearly wasn't apples to apples. Of course the 50 is going to give you more control of DOF than the 25.

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Yes but it sounded like you were going to use that lens on m4/3 instead of the 25mm and then it clearly wasn't apples to apples. Of course the 50 is going to give you more control of DOF than the 25.
    If I had a m4/3 / M adapter I could try it with my 24 'lux . . . but I don't

    Whatever - it's a lovely evening here (most unusual with a new lens) here are a couple of snaps:
















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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    If I had a m4/3 / M adapter I could try it with my 24 'lux . . . but I don't

    Whatever - it's a lovely evening here (most unusual with a new lens) here are a couple of snaps:
    Enjoy the weekend.....about 6 more hours to go across the pond and then a few thousand more miles west.

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    Enjoy the weekend.....about 6 more hours to go across the pond and then a few thousand more miles west.
    You too
    Long distance riding tomorrow (well, not THAT long, but I'll have a sore bum). Sunday is work I'm afraid (boo) but it's supposed to rain anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Yes but it sounded like you were going to use that lens on m4/3 instead of the 25mm and then it clearly wasn't apples to apples. Of course the 50 is going to give you more control of DOF than the 25.
    I didn't make it clear first time around Terry, so I take your point.

    But the area of what might be called 'overlap' does exist in comparing the 12-35 with the PL 25mm regarding shallow DOF. It can't have the shallow DOF of the PL at f/1.4 but take two strides back from the subject and zoom from 25mm to 35mm and at f/2.8 there is a very narrow band of DOF. There are not many times when two strides becomes a hindrance. And as a by-product the aperture of f/2.8 is better corrected and sharper.

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    Jono/Steve: Very nice! Fortunately, after last month's 'cleaning-out' there's room in my drawer for a little lens like this.

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    These results look very good. I'm with others about not being sure if this a necessary purchase given that I already own the 25/14 and 45/2.8

    I'd really like to see some 'event' type shots inside. That is where this lens could be very useful indeed - I have had great results with the above two lenses inside but I admit the convenience of an 'all-in-one' with a reasonably fast aperture of 2.8 would be good.

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    You too
    Long distance riding tomorrow (well, not THAT long, but I'll have a sore bum). Sunday is work I'm afraid (boo) but it's supposed to rain anyway.
    But, as you've proven, the rain produces some beautiful green landscapes. We're suffering through a drought and heat wave here in central Canada, 35C yesterday.

    I really hope that 12-35 turns out OK for you.

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    HI Santo - well, it pi55ed down just before we started the ride - but we had a great time,

    Here are a few shots from today:

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    Apart from the odd noises, what's not to like about that Lens Jono? How would you say it compares to say the Sony Zeiss 24-70/2.8?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 250swb View Post
    (...) And as a by-product the aperture of f/2.8 is better corrected and sharper.
    Interesting. Steve, are there direct comparisons somewhere showing how the zoom at 35mm f/2.8 is better than the 25/1.4 wide open?

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI Santo - well, it pi55ed down just before we started the ride - but we had a great time,
    I just looked at your posted images on my 24" monitor, (I was using the Ipad earlier), and I'm even more impressed. So now I'm thinking.... what's a little chatter if you can get this kind of IQ?

    cheers...
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    Bakewell Carnival 07-07-12. Very wet and humid. Both the E-M5 and the 12-35mm eventually fogged up when the hot sun came out and the rain stopped, but were both fine in the cooler air and the heavy rain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    Interesting. Steve, are there direct comparisons somewhere showing how the zoom at 35mm f/2.8 is better than the 25/1.4 wide open?
    No, but I can see it, and logic dictates it. There isn't a fast lens in existence that is sharper wide open than stopped down a bit. Anyway, its not a pissing contest about two fine lenses is it?

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    Love it - what a great shot . . . and so quintessentially english. Excellent.

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

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    Apart from the odd noises, what's not to like about that Lens Jono? How would you say it compares to say the Sony Zeiss 24-70/2.8?
    Hi David
    Apart from the odd noises - nothing - obviously the smaller sensor means that the depth of field is bigger . . .but that's one of the reasons why I have m4/3; if I want narrow depth of field then I'll use full frame.

    As far as the image quality is concerned, first feelings are that it's right up there - nice presence, good colour, very sharp (even wide open), better bokeh. Possibly the corners aren't quite as good at 24mm equivalent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post

    Really like this one Jono. And great processing. Love the inky blacks. Silver Efex or just LR/Aperture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 250swb View Post
    No, but I can see it, and logic dictates it. There isn't a fast lens in existence that is sharper wide open than stopped down a bit. Anyway, its not a pissing contest about two fine lenses is it?

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    I certainly hope it isn't.
    I know my PLµ 25/1.4 very well while I haven't even seen a Panasonic 12-35/2.8. From the samples I've seen the zoom looks like a good performer. But that is about these web sized samples and most lenses look good...

    I'm not sure logic says a zoom is better at f/2.8 that a good prime at f/1.4. Logic tells me most lenses are equal at f/4-f/5.6 just as the FF lenses all perform very similar at f/8-f/11 when used with a FF camera.

    Anyway, I found the technical reviews of these lenses at SLRGear and no doubt the 12-35mm zoom is excellent. Unfortunately they were reviewed using different cameras so the extreme peeper in me isn't totally satisfied. Common sense however tells me the zoom will do fine for my needs.

    Looking through the posts in this thread make me wonder if I should save up for the Zuiko M 75mm or the Panasonic 12-35 zoom first. The 75mm is tempting as well.

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

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    Hi David
    Apart from the odd noises - nothing - obviously the smaller sensor means that the depth of field is bigger . . .but that's one of the reasons why I have m4/3; if I want narrow depth of field then I'll use full frame.

    As far as the image quality is concerned, first feelings are that it's right up there - nice presence, good colour, very sharp (even wide open), better bokeh. Possibly the corners aren't quite as good at 24mm equivalent.

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    Thanks Jono, excellent news. I think I may possible look at this rather than the 12mm and 20 or 25mm I was thinking about. F2.8 would do me fine with the high ISO and IBIS. Not worried about extended DOF as I have other lenses for less DOF on APS-C if I need it.

    Oh - thanks also for the skinny dipping tutorial, sounds like fun!
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    I think this is the sort of lens where it's one camera and one lens vacation. I don't think you need any primes unless you wanted faster apertures. Sadly no vacations for me for a long while, and when my second kid pops out from the oven, it may well have to be this lens!
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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

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    Really like this one Jono. And great processing. Love the inky blacks. Silver Efex or just LR/Aperture?

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    I spent the last fews days getting used to this as my walk around. Other than the Panny 7-14, I never liked any of the m/43 zooms.....they were okay, but nothing special. I have to say I am pleased with this lens so far. The f/2.8 is really killer.









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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Here are a few random outside shots...












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    Hello everyone

    I just want to ask if somebody received a preproduction lens with a violet color as mentioned here:
    New Panasonic 12-35mm X lens review (and new UK preorders) | 43 Rumors
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    It looks like that here in Germany all of the first charge are preproduction state ...

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    Thank you Louis!

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi David
    Apart from the odd noises - nothing - obviously the smaller sensor means that the depth of field is bigger . . .but that's one of the reasons why I have m4/3; if I want narrow depth of field then I'll use full frame.

    As far as the image quality is concerned, first feelings are that it's right up there - nice presence, good colour, very sharp (even wide open), better bokeh. Possibly the corners aren't quite as good at 24mm equivalent.

    Sony/Zeiss: 955gms £1400
    panasonic: 350gms £900
    So Jono, now that you've had the lens for a few days, is the image quality enough for you to ignore the odd noises?
    This lens doesn't appear to be available in Canada just yet.

    regards,
    Santo

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Haven't noticed any particularly odd noises from the lens so far, so quite happy with it.

    One from a walk around a cloudy Newburgh yesterday.

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    Haven't noticed any particularly odd noises from the lens so far, so quite happy with it.

    One from a walk around a cloudy Newburgh yesterday.

    Seems to be a very good lens, I wanted to give it a try but unfortunately here is not available yet and the local distributor is not in a position to predict when it will be.

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Hi Ario, It is rather nice, some slight CA at 12mm which is easily corrected in Aperture or Lightroom. Sorry it isn't available for you yet, hopefully not too long.

    I'm still getting used to the large of DOF on m4/3 as this is my first such camera using the format. Also bought the small 45/1.8 and love it. Hanging on to the 12-50 for video and general use and closeups, it isn't too bad at all. The Panny 100-300 is fine for the long end.

    I'm now quite happy, feel no need of a fast normal lens, or of a super super wide angle zoom, as I very rarely use such things.
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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Another from Newburgh:

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    Re: Fun with the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8

    Trying to keep this thread moving along:

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