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    Re: The G1 has arrived....

    Impressive up to and including ISO 800 in JPEG mode. Even more so in RAW.

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    DR seems pretty impressive too.

    Panasonic G1 + 14-45 kit lens.
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    Re: The G1 has arrived....

    While thanking Terry and Brian for sharing their initial images, I would not call the noise, DR and all that "impressive".

    It is in line with the pixel density of the sensor and isn't surprising.

    Pricewise, the Sony A-350 is a lot impressive.

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    Thanks Terry and Brian. I may have to get one of these, while waiting for the Oly version.

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    Hi Vivek,

    I haven't any experience with the A350 - are you saying that it's much better value for money?

    From what I'm seeing of the G1's sensor performance, I'd say that it's a good incremental step forward for the 4/3rds standard sensor... which is of most interest to me because I love the consistent high quality of 4/3rds lenses.

    I'll be demonstrating that as soon as my 4/3rds adapter arrives - and also looking forward to mounting classic legacy lenses to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    While thanking Terry and Brian for sharing their initial images, I would not call the noise, DR and all that "impressive".

    It is in line with the pixel density of the sensor and isn't surprising.

    Pricewise, the Sony A-350 is a lot impressive.
    Perhaps but you will be shocked at thesize and I threw it in my SMALL handbag for the day.

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    Hi Terry,

    I think your side by side shot with the M8 was most instructive (did you get my e-mail asking for you to share this in our ongoing review?)... I think I saw an M8 review on Sean Reid's review site where a grip had been fitted - I imagine this would make the M8 look even more similar in size and shape.

    And that Panasonic managed to include a wonderful articulating screen is quite an achievement imho.

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    I wouldnt throw money at this,it might put the fire out.It seems to be nothing more than a stepping stone.___________ Im sure its fun to be the first to have one but I can see the novelty wearing off quickly.

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    Brian and Terry,

    Yes this is a revolutionary camera. No doubt about it (and I will be getting one as soon as I can figure out where I can get one).

    Aside from the size (frankly the Olympus prototype is more to my taste), the articulating live view finder and the lack of mirror are definitely advantages.

    This would allow for (in principle) low shutter speeds while the camera is hand held (advantage of an M camera). However, I do have my doubts about that since the pixel density is quite high and would demand stable support to get all the sharpness that the sensor is capable of recording.

    It is still early (IMHO) to celebrate low noise, high DR and such out of this camera.

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    I would explore the "unobtrusive" size (plus the live view) on the street to check how "effective" it is.

    BTW, what is the close focus distance of the kit zoom? There is very little info on the lens (that I know). Thanks.

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    There's a full review now at DCRP.

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    nei1 - a stepping stone from what? I do like the fact that the whole thing weighs just over 1lb and I threw it in my bag and it is pretty flexible on how big or small you will be able to male it. Actually, body size is close to being at the limit for small size. Put the pancake on this thing and wow it will be really tiny. Right now it is almost too small one you get used to holding the grip of the D700 as there isn't a lot of room. Back to the stepping stone, I'm reading more dslr folks getting it for their lightweight kit.

    Vivek - close focus I believe is .3m or ahoy 1 foot for both lenses. Just for the hell of it I brought a Canon 250D close up lens with me to play with it. I arrived in SF today and it has been pouring since.

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    Thanks, Terry.

    Hey, I always loved the Bay area weather. Sun always breaks through sooner (unlike Holland)than later and very balmy climate. Have fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    ... I'm reading more dslr folks getting it for their lightweight kit.
    That's my interest in it. It doesn't compete with the Sony A350 etc, more with the bridge cameras like my Min A2, but bringing 4/3 IQ and some exciting lens opportunities.

    Actually, the only cameras I think compete with it would be the M8 at a huge premium (granted for huge value) or the e-4x0 with the same IQ. It will probably be hurt the most by the Olympus m43 that isn't even out yet.

    Pixel density shouldn't be an issue for camera shake, though pixel count will be. Or rather, higher pixel density shake issues are offset by the wider lens for the field of view.

    Glad to have seen some first impressions, but now my resistence is failing fast.

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    Hi Terry,

    Any chance I could see a picture of the G1 next to your D700?

    Or Brian, G1 next to E-3?

    I want to see something next to the G1 that really makes it look small!

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    Amin,
    I will be back in NY where the D700 is on Wednesday evening. BUT!!!!!!! I did do a sort of side by side (tongue in cheek). D700 with 24-70 no hood. If you put the G1 next to it so the lenses end at the same spot, the G1 can slide right in next to it an not hit the protrusion of the hand grip.

    If you've ever used an FZ8 with the adapter for filters that is almost the exact size of the G1 with lens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Thanks, Terry.

    Hey, I always loved the Bay area weather. Sun always breaks through sooner (unlike Holland)than later and very balmy climate. Have fun!
    It has been absolutely pouring since I landed. Makes apartment hunting loads of fun. In this weather I have to go back to the apartments again because you can't even see the views!

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    No pictures tonight. I don't feel like spending $15 for internet access. Perhaps I will be able to upload some tomorrow.

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    The Aftermath....Saturday morning I left before dawn to catch a 6AM train to the airport...The station was packed with the Halloween leftovers....

    ISO 1600 f5.5 1/25 (direct from camera)

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    a few feet away - similar settings this one could use some clean up

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    Did you check that guy's pulse? Looks like he could very well still be there today! Fun pics, Terry!
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    Wonderful shots -T
    especially the ghoul lying down
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    Re: The G1 has arrived....

    My G1 was just delivered and the battery is charging, but here's some quick impressions:

    It really is small! Compared to my D300s, it's miniscule.

    The lens is just tiny.

    The build quality appears to be very good.

    The finish feels nicely rubbery and the grip and thumbpad are well placed, making the camera very easy to hold in one hand (and I have big hands).

    I agree with a comment on one of the reviews that the front control wheel is about one-half inch too low.

    Without having the battery in yet, the EVF seems quite usable with glasses... it's very large.

    The LCD looks immense on the camera and swivels very well.

    The buttons all seem to have a good tactile feel and feedback to them.

    The control dials are well detented although I suspect the main dial may be changed inadvertently.

    The On-Off and Drive switches seem to have good detents too but again, I suspect the drive switch may be prone to inadvertent movement.

    The lens zoom ring and the focus ring are nicely damped and feel smooth to turn.

    Holding the camera up to my face, it presents a very small forward profile and should be good for shooting without drawing attention to itself.

    I'll run it through its paces over the next few days and post some images here and on my blog.

    BTW, for those inquiring minds, I went with the black body.

    Cheers,

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    Feels a lot lighter...
    G1 + lens and battery = 630g
    M8 + battery 600g + 28 cron 272g
    Any comment on the difference in shutter noise? Can the G1 rival the M8 quietness?

    Also (and this question goes to all G1 owners), have you had a chance to test the camera's AF-C mode? If you move it closer and further away from, say, a bookshelf, can it keep up and change focus as smoothly and continuously as a DSLR?

    Prog.

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    Shutter is very quiet. A little "snick" sound (think M3 DS, may be a tad more noticeable). That is all.

    Don't know much about the kit zoom's response in various modes. It is fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prognathous View Post
    Any comment on the difference in shutter noise? Can the G1 rival the M8 quietness?

    Also (and this question goes to all G1 owners), have you had a chance to test the camera's AF-C mode? If you move it closer and further away from, say, a bookshelf, can it keep up and change focus as smoothly and continuously as a DSLR?

    Prog.
    Quieter than the original non upgraded M8 shutter.

    So far I've used the focus tracking with AFC. You see a focus square in the viewfinder and then you can half press to lock on to that subject and as it moves or you move the camera it stays locked on to what you picked and adjusts focus. I'm impressed with it.

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    Terry, I am disappointed that you and Joan have not joined in on my print swap. I thought for sure you two would join in. There's still time. I have 6 spots left til Saturday. Durr Wise

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    Quote Originally Posted by durrIII View Post
    Terry, I am disappointed that you and Joan have not joined in on my print swap. I thought for sure you two would join in. There's still time. I have 6 spots left til Saturday. Durr Wise
    Honestly, I completely missed the whole thread about it. I will have a look. I am in the process of moving cross country and have been pretty swamped so my participation in the forum has been very hit and miss for the past month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Quieter than the original non upgraded M8 shutter.
    This sounds mighty impressive, pun intended ;-)

    So far I've used the focus tracking with AFC. You see a focus square in the viewfinder and then you can half press to lock on to that subject and as it moves or you move the camera it stays locked on to what you picked and adjusts focus. I'm impressed with it.
    I'm actually referring to the camera's ability to change focus in regards to a subject that gets progressively (but quickly) near or further away from the camera, not the camera's ability to identify the subject in the frame and lock on to it. If you put an SLR in AF-C mode and move it closer and further away from the subject (or vice versa) it can typically keep the subject in focus all the time, and it does so by modifying the focus to the exact position several times a second. A contrast-detection system needs to go out of focus to decide the correct focus direction, which means that, at least in theory, it won't be able to keep up with a phase-detection system such as the one used in SLR. However, everybody raves about the G1 focusing speed, so I was curious whether it could also match SLR's in this (very) challenging test.

    Prog.

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    Hi Prog,

    I think you have to put into perspective the ravings about the focus system - we're talking about a superbly performing CDAF system - that's not superb performance compared with a leading edge PDAF system... but still, I will try to get some feel for the CAF on the G1.

    It could be doing some clever processing to track an object moving in the frame - not just across the frame but towards/away from you.

    I think that as processing power continues to increase, CDAF will become far superior to PDAF systems. There are already advantages with the G1.

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    There are already advantages with the G1.
    A gross understatement, Brian!

    Had I not been bothering myself with my adapter projects, I would have spent more time understanding the camera's functions/utilities/capabilities and trying to work out the RAW processing of the files (jpgs are so-so).

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    Thanks Brian. I'm really curious about this one specific subject. I'm sure the G1 is a fantastic camera in most other aspects.

    Prog.

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    Here's a video that demonstrates the type of AF-C challenge I'm referring to:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kxm7tPefNc

    Prog.

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    Thanks for the illustration Prog,

    I'll have a look at it now for you.

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    OK, leaning in and out towards a bookcase in fairly low artificial light - the continuous autofocus tracks in a very high pitched continuous sounding tone (very quiet indeed)... and the focus stays sharp in the viewfinder.

    It seems to be tracking very well indeed - as if it's working out the speed of travel and matching, rather than making multiple back and forward sweeps.

    It's good!

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    Thanks Brian, this is very interesting. I hope Panasonic will release a lens with a focus scale, so that it would be simpler to test this and see how the lens actually moves to compensate for subject movement. Prog.

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    I'm keen to see whether the G1 picks up on the aperture setting of the 14-150mm OIS when set via the barrel - that would be terrific!

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