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    G1 shots

    Received my G1 a few days ago. I'm impressed with the small and feature-filled body. Less so with the kit-lens (and I'm on my second copy). Viewfinder very good, but flickers a bit. Manual focusing quite easy even with slow kit lens, Leica-M lenses should be a breeze. Colour seems well managed, noise about as expected.
    FWIW here are some initial images.
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    Re: G1 shots

    Arne, You need a lot of light for the finder to work well. There is an option to switch the finder noise on and off. Check if you have yours enabled or disabled.

    What happened to the kit zoom #1??

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    Very nice shots Arne. What don't you like about the kit lens? My copy has performed very well with no major faults that I could find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Arne, You need a lot of light for the finder to work well. There is an option to switch the finder noise on and off. Check if you have yours enabled or disabled.

    What happened to the kit zoom #1??
    Hi Vivek, I've found the option to automatically adjust the brightness of the finder according to the adjacent light, but nothing specifically for noise. Not that a bit of noise in low light bothers me much, the finder is quite good in this respect I think. It's the flickering that irritates me a little, but then I'm rather sensitive to that kind of disturbance. ( I always see rainbow effects on DLP projectors)

    Kit zoom #1? Well, my dealer got two G1s, so I had the luxury to test and choose . Not a big difference though, they are both soft near the edges at distance.
    Btw. I made some experimental shots with the Canon 0.95. Now that will be an interesting (if somewhat ludicrous looking!) combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Very nice shots Arne. What don't you like about the kit lens? My copy has performed very well with no major faults that I could find.
    Thank you. I've looked carefully at your shots and they are excellent right out to the edges, even corners. The difference from what I'm getting is really astonishing and hard to explain unless there are huge sample variations with this lens. I should mention though that closeups and medium range shots fare somewhat better than those at (or near) infinity. So hold on to that lens of yours!

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    Oh Bollocks
    Lovely pictures Arne, I don't have any illusions about cameras and photographers, but if you're enjoying it, it's another nail in the coffin of my resistance!

    I'm afraid the last straw will be skiing at Christmas . . . it seems like the perfect option.

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    Oh Bollocks
    Lovely pictures Arne, I don't have any illusions about cameras and photographers, but if you're enjoying it, it's another nail in the coffin of my resistance!

    I'm afraid the last straw will be skiing at Christmas . . . it seems like the perfect option.
    Just wait until the adapter comes out and we all start posting shots taken with the G1 and M glass. That'll be the end for you. In fact, you might as well go and get your G1 right now!

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    Arne, I am insensitive to the flickering, I guess. The Canon 50/0.95 does well on the G1 indeed.

    About the camera, I agree with Jono. No, this camera does not do any "wonders" just as any other camera out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Arne, I am insensitive to the flickering, I guess. The Canon 50/0.95 does well on the G1 indeed.

    About the camera, I agree with Jono. No, this camera does not do any "wonders" just as any other camera out there.
    I'm still waiting for the camera that makes me take good pictures!

    I'm not really impressed by reviews - I can understand why people like dpreview spend 36 pages telling you that a camera takes good pictures of a bottle of cinzano and a teddy bear . . . but it never seems very relevant.

    So - experience by people here is much more persuasive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordfanjpn View Post
    Just wait until the adapter comes out and we all start posting shots taken with the G1 and M glass. That'll be the end for you. In fact, you might as well go and get your G1 right now!

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    Hi Bill
    Well, it might be . . . but then if I'm going to use M glass wouldn't I be better sticking it on an M camera?

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    Jono, I don't look at any online reviews to buy a camera (or anything for that matter).

    This is an exciting camera for me with lots of potential. I have way too many lenses to be used on it (or a M4/3rd body). Special application gear. That is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Bill
    Well, it might be . . . but then if I'm going to use M glass wouldn't I be better sticking it on an M camera?
    Good point. But try sticking an AF zoom on an M camera and taking it on a ski trip!

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    Bill, There is a Vivitar auto focus zoom out there that will autofocus with an M body!

    Well, it will autofocus even without a camera. Now, what can the G1 kit zoom do on its own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordfanjpn View Post
    Good point. But try sticking an AF zoom on an M camera and taking it on a ski trip!

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    shhhh - please - everybody's getting at me!

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    Re: G1 shots

    I think the most important aspect of this camera is that it is a new concept that points to the future: The mirror-less exchangable-lens high resolution EVF system camera. (Now, who will come up with an acronym for that)

    Secondly it's a lens omnivore. There are (almost) no inherent limitations to adapting practically any lens to the body. And they can be manually focused with high precision.

    Thirdly, it is small, light and quiet and has a very useful swivelling rear LCD. Another unusual feature is the DOF preview which maintains the brightness in the viewfinder when stopping down the lens.

    It is (relatively) inexpensive.

    On the whole, the G1 is pretty impressive for a first generation design, and subjectively, after some adaptation, it's quite fun to use.

    And Jono, I think resistance is useless

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    Good summary, Arne.

    I look at this (G1) as a sophisticated (micro) digital back.

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    Arne

    How difficult is it to use the G1 with 4/3 lens?? Easy to focus,stop down metering???

    Please advise. Thinking about getting the adapter!

    Martin

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    FWIW, I just pre-ordered my adapter from Rayqual. They're saying it will ship around the end of December. The price in Japan is 14,700 yen (about $158). Looking forward to sticking some M glass on my G1.

    Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin S View Post
    Arne

    How difficult is it to use the G1 with 4/3 lens?? Easy to focus,stop down metering???

    Please advise. Thinking about getting the adapter!

    Martin
    Martin
    Some of them will work properly - auto focus etc. others not quite so good - however, I think they will all work with the aperture automatically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne Hvaring View Post

    On the whole, the G1 is pretty impressive for a first generation design, and subjectively, after some adaptation, it's quite fun to use.

    And Jono, I think resistance is useless
    Damn already!
    I'm going to get one when I get back from Holland.
    as for the Acronym, the one they've been using in the 4/3 forums is:
    EVIL
    Electronic viewfinder / interchangeable lenses

    Seems good enough

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    ELVIS Lives!

    Electronic Live View Imaging System

    Cheers Jono - I'm amazed it took you so long to cave in!

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    Re: G1 shots

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Damn already!
    I'm going to get one when I get back from Holland.
    as for the Acronym, the one they've been using in the 4/3 forums is:
    EVIL
    Electronic viewfinder / interchangeable lenses

    Seems good enough
    It was inevitable.

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    If EVIL is well established I guess we'll have to live with that, but I think Brian's suggestion, ELVIS, sounds much nicer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne Hvaring View Post
    If EVIL is well established I guess we'll have to live with that, but I think Brian's suggestion, ELVIS, sounds much nicer
    I quite agree - ELVIS it shall be!
    Incidentally, Brian, should I pull the trigger, where is the best place to get the 4/3 adaptor (or the camera come to that).

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    Hi Jono,

    the best place to get your 4/3rds adapter is direct from Japan...

    Here's the seller - hope this is within the forum rules!

    Mine took 4 days to arrive - even including the weekend!

    Kind Regards

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    Also available now form Amazon (USA):
    http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DMW-...f=pd_rhf_p_t_3

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    Re: G1 shots

    I was looking at the forums today, and thought I read:

    G1 shots by jonoslack

    and I thought, well about time too -- not like him to delay this long -- and then I read:

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Incidentally, Brian, should I pull the trigger, where is the best place to get the 4/3 adaptor (or the camera come to that).
    I was sooooo disappointed
    Sláinte

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    Another G1 shot in more challenging light. Still performing well.
    Last edited by Arne Hvaring; 8th July 2009 at 13:20.

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    Re: G1 shots

    Here's a few G1 shots with both the 14-45 and the 45-200 lenses.

    Waiting for my haircut. Kit lens. Jpeg to CS4.
    Attachment 9355

    Fraser river 1. 14-45 lens. Jpeg to CS4, tinted with Ascough Actions (Brown Sugar) plus some burning in of the sky.
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    Fraser river 2. 45-200 lens. Jpeg to CS4, tinted with Ascough Actions (Delta Blues).
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    Remembrance. 45-200 lens. Jpeg to CS4, processed with Ascough Actions (Dream).
    Attachment 9358

    Turn the corner. 45-200 lens. Jpeg to CS4, processed with Nik Silver EfxPro (custom preset). I think there's a little camera shake present in this one.
    Attachment 9359

    At this point, I am still just exploiting the jpegs (although I'm shooting RAW as well). I'm waiting for ACR to support the G1. Silkypix just doesn't do it for me.

    I'm shooting with default sharpening at the moment and I find that I need to do a fair bit of sharpening in PP. Right now, I use the Ascough Actions Big Picture sharpening action which seems to do what I expect the image to look like. Hopefully, once ACR supports the G1, we'll have a better PP route.

    Handling wise, I'm very impressed with the size and weight of this camera. I can fit the body, and the two lenses as well as the Oly FL-36R flash into a very small bag.

    At the moment, I'm shooting mostly on custom presets:

    CUST1: A mode, Dynamic B&W, ISO 100
    CUST2: A mode, Dynamic colour, ISO 100
    CUST3: A mode, Dynamic B&W, iISO

    This little camera has so many features, it'll take a fair while to fully explore and whittle down the subtleties to make up more appropriate and useful custom presets. I find the ELVIS to be excellent. I have no issues (at least none yet) with the VF, and the swing out LCD is one of the main reasons I bought the camera. Without doubt though, this is a camera kit I'll grab almost anytime over my D300s. The size and light weight make it a true go to camera.

    Cheers,
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    Okay Okay Okay, I give in.
    I've just pulled the trigger on the two lens kit - should be here on Tuesday.
    silly me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Hi Jono,

    the best place to get your 4/3rds adapter is direct from Japan...

    Here's the seller - hope this is within the forum rules!

    Mine took 4 days to arrive - even including the weekend!

    Kind Regards

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    Hi Brian
    Certainly allowed
    Job Done!

    I hope I get it as quickly as you do.

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    Simon
    your shots are lovely
    I presume that if I can't do as well you'll refund me the purchase price?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Simon
    your shots are lovely
    I presume that if I can't do as well you'll refund me the purchase price?

    Jono, well of course, mate! Actually, come to think of it, I may have the run that one by the CFO of the household. Seeing your pictures every day makes me think I have very little worry though.

    Thanks for the kudos.



    In answer to a PM I got from Martin, and in the interest of other members, I'll answer it here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin S
    Is this lens available yet???

    Not available yet is U.S.

    Where did u purchase it, and how does it perform?? Is it very large as compared to the 14-45 mm lens?? What is performance like at 200 mm setting?? Any optical issues??

    Thanks.

    Martin
    Martin,

    I purchased both the G1 and the 45-200 from Contact Photo Arts here in Grand Forks, BC (Contact Photo Arts). They had the G1 very early on (I got mine on Nov 6th) and then I got the lens on the 14th.

    From the little that I've used the lens so far (been busy and had nasty weather), it performs brilliantly. Bill Wilby at Contact Photo Arts remarked the following to me in an email:

    I took a few photos today on a tripod at different focal lengths and apertures and after a quick look I think the lens is better at 45 and 200 and less in the middle. Stopping it down didn't change the center much but helped the edges. 5.6 at 200 seemed quite good.
    Frankly, in the short amount of shooting I've done with the lens so far, I tended to be at the long end (200) so I can't comment on the mid range yet. Most of the above pictures with the lens are at the 200 setting so I think you can judge for yourself. Note that all above pictures were shot handheld.

    As for optical issues, so far I can't comment. The lens comes with a very good (sturdy and snug fitting) hood so I imagine that any flare will be nicely controlled.

    Size-wise, the lens is very compact. Roughly speaking, I'd say 1/4 longer than the 14-45 (6" flange to hood far end, Vs 4" for the same on the 14-45) and slightly larger in diameter. The 14-45 is 5" extended and the 45-200 is 7-3/8" extended (again, including the hoods). They feel equal as far as the zoom control and the focus control. I'm sure DPR has all the specifics for weight etc.

    The 45-200 feels very balanced on the G1 and right from the start I knew I'd like shooting with it. I'm generally a man of extremes while shooting, using either the shortest, widest focal length, or the longest. For me, my new grab-and-go kit consists of the G1, the 14-45, the 45-200, the Oly FL-36R flash, my LX3 and a small beanbag and tabletop tripod. This all fits into a small LowePro Stealth Reporter D100 AW bag is is remarkable compact and light.

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers,

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    Simon, excellent shots! And thank you for the info re the 45-200mm zoom, I've been wondering about the optical quality of this lens. Seems like it's in the "highly recommended" category

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    Thank you Simon. Great shots, and useful comments regarding the 45-200 mm lens.

    Hope it becomes available here soon!!

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    Went out yesterday to see how the G1 copes with cold weather. We had about six degrees below freezing. It seems to do very well, after about 4 hours the (not fully charged) battery was down only one notch. Considering that either the EVF or the screen will be constantly on, this is excellent. (Actually it coped better than the photographer, what this camera needs is a heated grip LOL)
    AF also worked flawlessly and surprisingly precise, the shots below are all taken with the kit lens and AF.
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    A few more.
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    Lovely shots Arne - were you wearing gloves?

    Kind Regards

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    Arne, Gorgeous images of the ice and frost. The kit lens performance continues to amaze me.

    Regards,
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    I'm afraid to get this camera. My upgraded M8 might suffer from lack of use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamriman View Post
    I'm afraid to get this camera. My upgraded M8 might suffer from lack of use.
    My M8 has been hiding with the E3 in a dark closet. I think they are both fearing being put on the block and at least one probably will be gone soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    My M8 has been hiding with the E3 in a dark closet. I think they are both fearing being put on the block and at least one probably will be gone soon.
    HI There
    I guess mine will be set aside a bit too. G1 and twin lens kit just arrived in the post an hour ago - battery charging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Arne, You need a lot of light for the finder to work well. There is an option to switch the finder noise on and off. Check if you have yours enabled or disabled.

    What happened to the kit zoom #1??
    Where can I find the description for the FINDER NOISE switch to switch on/off ???
    I could not find anything in my user manual .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI There
    I guess mine will be set aside a bit too. G1 and twin lens kit just arrived in the post an hour ago - battery charging.
    Jono, Congratulations for the new G1. Looking forward to seeing some of your G1 images and your comments on the camera.

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    Re: G1 shots

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    G1 and twin lens kit just arrived in the post an hour ago - battery charging.
    Who did you get it from?
    Sláinte

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Lovely shots Arne - were you wearing gloves?

    Kind Regards

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    Thank you, Brian. I was wearing gloves, but the tightly spaced buttons make settings a hit and miss, so gloves come off and on all the time. At least the normal variety. Perhaps some ultra thin but highly isolating gloves might work.

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    Arne, Gorgeous images of the ice and frost. The kit lens performance continues to amaze me.

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    Many thanks Carl! Yes, the kit lens with the short near focusing limit is excellent for this kind of shots.

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    HI There
    I guess mine will be set aside a bit too. G1 and twin lens kit just arrived in the post an hour ago - battery charging.
    Great Jono, congratulations! And since you're already an experienced user of the 4/3 system, which I am not, I'm looking forward to your comments.
    I think you did wise in ordering the long zoom as well, I'll get mine ASAP.

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    Who did you get it from?
    Jessops of all people - reasonable deal, but more to the point they actually had the dual lens kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne Hvaring View Post
    Great Jono, congratulations! And since you're already an experienced user of the 4/3 system, which I am not, I'm looking forward to your comments.
    I think you did wise in ordering the long zoom as well, I'll get mine ASAP.
    HI Arne
    Well, I'm used to 4/3 . . . but not really to Panasonic, so it's a bit of a step sideways. Judgement is still out on the long zoom, I'll have to do some proper testing (not sure quite when though!).

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