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    Images with new 45-200

    Here is an image shot with the 45-200, indoors, no flash, 1/15 at f 4.5, 45mm and ISO 800 then I cropped the image and applied a little sharpening. That's it. Using LR. My wife was the model. This was shot handheld!
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    Re: Images with new 45-200

    Here is a shot with the following settings:
    1/60 sec @ f4.8 ISO400 at 109mm shot outdoors, no flash. Developed in LR no post processing.
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    Re: Images with new 45-200

    Wow, John, the 45-200mm is a LOT sharper than I'd heard! Very impressive. So far, it looks like BOTH initial Panasonic G1 lenses are winners that make fine place holders until Pany rolls out some faster (say f2.8 or better) optics.

    Although I suspect Olympus may lend a hand here should they decide re-engineer some of their phenomonal f2.0 zooms that cover 28 - 400mm (in 35mm speak) with aplomb in the MFT mount (in anticipation of their Olympus Pen-like MFT creation they're currently working on) and, of course, full AF capability which, even with the 4/3's adapter the current, weight I might add, super optics do not do.

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    The amazing thing to me is that ISO 800 is not bad, not as bad as the numbers might suggest. At 100% you can see it but I could print an 8 x 10 without it being a problem. Also, note the 1/15th second hand held exposure.

    I find the color to be the most accurate of any camera I have owned which includes the M8, G7, D-Lux 3, and the Nikon D90.
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    I'm really quite impressed by the 45-200 as well.
    Here are a few examples, all in JPG:







    Next, I need to test my Leica R 90mm on the G1 and do a few comparisons.

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    Rich, I don't see any images.
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    Re: Images with new 45-200

    John,

    It's funny. I just left a post on the Leica User forum talking about how spoiled we've become with our expectations at high ISO's these days. At one time we reveled in Tri-X and its graininess. Then when T-Max came out with its more uniform grain structure and promise of films at higher ISO's it was still grainier at ISO 400 than today's standards but we rejoiced nonetheless. And Kodak, after initially withdrawing Tri-X satisfied that a major achievement in film had been reached, had to bring it back because so many howled at the loss of 'character' that was displayed by the smoother, superior T-Max! And T-Max 3200, the first real breakthrough in high speed film was also a film riddled with boulders that made up the image, but because it was the only game in town folks were elated.

    Between you, me and the wall, with this perspective I feel the G1 (and many digital cameras by the way) up to 1600 (and in many cases 3200 and beyond) is incredible by yesterday's standards. In black and white ISO 3200 in digital is still better than T-Max 3200 ever was. (And I don't think there was a color version beyond 1600 and all the Super Max stuff from 800 on up was grainy as hell!)

    What people did in the past and what made Leica so legendary was the range of optics that were f2.0 or faster that helped compensate for films that were so grainy thus allowing better image making (at faster shutter speeds wide open) with the slower, smoother looking films.

    These initial lenses for the G1 are, in my opinion, superb. They're sharp, contrasty and exhibit very little chromatic aberration from what I've seen (and read). And, with the option of being able to use faster extant optics of Leitz et. al until Panasonic and Olympus roll out faster lenses there's even more promise.

    But your point is well taken. Look what you can do at ISO 800 and an f3.5+ lens. Amazing. Simply amazing.

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    I just left a post on the LE forum talking about how spoiled we've become with our expectations at high ISO's these days.
    Indeed. I think most of it has to do with all these 100% crops on the web.

    How many people print out at 100% and have people view them at a couple of inches?

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    It is human nature to seek perfection and never be satisfied with less. This is a good attribute that causes every science and art to progress. Do I want better high ISO and even more detail? You bet! Technology is moving us there albeit not as fast as any of us would like.
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    John,

    I'm all for progress. And I do feel companies should continue to strive to improve the quality of images at higher ISO's. (Just as audiophiles continue to push for superior sound staging, cleaner more distortion free output and palpable imagery out of their sound systems.) I'm just amazed at some of the apoplectic reactions to the 'noise' at ISO's of 800 on up when from your photos and tons of others it's simply not as bad as people are making them out to be. (And I defy you to tell me how bad an iPod is sonically compared to some tube gear although the mere suggestion of comparing these components would cause a lot of ballyhoos among the audio elite.)

    And as Monza pointed out, all too often we've been assessing images posted on the Web cropped at 100% at the pixel level which most of us simply do not do when we see a striking shot in real life. Aside from engravers at the U.S. Mint who looks at images at that level all the time?

    We take in the content of the image and react accordingly. Rarely going...wow great shot of that Sasquatch. But oooooo too bad about the dreadful noise in the shadows of those ferns it was running through.

    I dunno. Your shots only pointed out how good everything has become and how, at the same time, out of whack some of our expectations may have become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    Rich, I don't see any images.
    Here's another go ...

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    I think this is a great idea. I'd love to see more of what people are getting with the 45-200. Here is one of mine hand held (or actually "belly held" since I hold the camera against my not-insubstantial gut and use the LCD to frame and shoot). Keep 'em coming!

    Bill
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    Re: Images with new 45-200

    I'm pleasantly surprised by the image quality that I'm seeing here. When I looked at DSLRGEAR.com, I saw what I thought was rather poor performance from this lens. So much so, I had planned to get the Leica D Vario Elmar instead. Perhaps I should rethink now. Thanks.

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    The one the follows was shot at ISO 800, 1/40 sec @ f 4.5 with kit lens at 20mm and handheld.
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    Here is another shot at 1/4 sec, f 4.5, ISO 160 at 20mm, hand held. In this photo there was some camera shake so the focus is not quite as tack sharp.
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    One more for today shot at 1/6 sec at f 4.5 ISO 400 @ 18mm, and hand held no flash.
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    Those available light shots are great. Your wife looks so cute at the buffet, I think she likes getting her picture taken.

    I was ready to write off the 45-200 from initial 'reviews' but you've proven this lens is worth having.

    Thanks!

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    Re: Images with new 45-200

    Below are some images to help you visualize the reach of the 200. The first shot is taken with the 14-55 at 14mm to give you the perspective from which the other photos were taken. The camera position stayed the same for all the shots. Then using the 45-200 and you can see at the start of the covered walkway and then all the way to the back of the covered walkway in the last two.
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    Hi Guys, new member here, thought i'd add a shot (purely a test shot).



    200mm [email protected] hand held, just cropped and auto levels in CS2.





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    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3294/...1a491e26_o.jpg
    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/...07633ae7_o.jpg
    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3167/...c5f5d08f_o.jpg

    These were shot at a Falun Gong street protest in front of the Vancouver Art Gallery. The 45-200 on the G1 performs well. I like the lens a lot. I did add the corner darkening in photoshop myself....it is not the lens.

    Best to all. Terry.
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    Re: Images with new 45-200

    sharp sharp sharp
    thanks terry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by back alley View Post
    sharp sharp sharp
    thanks terry.
    On another forum - someone from my neck of the woods was asking about bokeh of these lenses - I find that both lenses render OOF very nicely or at least I like it.

    Best to all. Terry.

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    Here's one from my balcony taken on the first day of the new year (hand held at full zoom). Let's hope that it will be a peaceful and interesting year for us all.

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    Here's one from my balcony taken on the first day of the new year (hand held at full zoom). Let's hope that it will be a peaceful and interesting year for us all.

    Bill
    Wow, what a view to wake up to every day, you are truly blessed.


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    Mt. Fuji...as Mark said, nice view! I visited once...need to go back soon.

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    fordfanjpn:

    Did the lens provide the vignetting in that Mt. Fuji shot, or did you contribute that yourself? I've just ordered a G1, and am looking for as much review material on the long lens as I can find.

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    I haven't seen any sign of vignetting with my 45-200.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark1000 View Post
    Wow, what a view to wake up to every day, you are truly blessed.


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    Thanks Mark. We are very lucky to have such a beautiful view. Today's view is also nice, although quite different. I suppose I should be out there shooting it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhakti-rider View Post
    fordfanjpn:

    Did the lens provide the vignetting in that Mt. Fuji shot, or did you contribute that yourself? I've just ordered a G1, and am looking for as much review material on the long lens as I can find.
    I added a little vignetting in Silver Effex Pro. The lens does not vignette that I have noticed.

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    Here are a couple of different shots of Fuji, one from last evening and one from this morning. The evening shot is the full frame, the B&W shot is a substantial crop. The cloud in the B&W shot was completely gone in a matter of minutes. It is a constantly changing show.

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    wow!

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    FORDFANJPON /aka Bill

    Quite Fab a series .....I'm Transported,Transfixed
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    Both shots are fantastic. On the second shot I love the sense of space you gave with that crop. How often do you actually get that clear of a view?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordfanjpn View Post
    Here's one from my balcony taken on the first day of the new year (hand held at full zoom). Let's hope that it will be a peaceful and interesting year for us all.

    Bill
    What a beautiful way to start the New Year. Great Mt Fuji shots Bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    FORDFANJPON /aka Bill

    Quite Fab a series .....I'm Transported,Transfixed
    Best-H
    Thanks Helen. It is often quite a moving scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Both shots are fantastic. On the second shot I love the sense of space you gave with that crop. How often do you actually get that clear of a view?
    Thank you. We get to see Fuji quite often, but it's not always this clear. The cold weather and strong winds have helped a lot recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    What a beautiful way to start the New Year. Great Mt Fuji shots Bill.

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    Thanks Carl. Mt. Fuji is looked at with a great deal of reverence by the Japanese, so to be able to see it so clearly at this time is very special. I hope the fact that the year is getting off to such a great start is a good sign for all of us.

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    Bill,
    Just to add to the accolades, your two photos are stunning.

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    Bill, they´re all good, but the last one is absolutely exquisite!

    A photographic Haiku, if ever there was one.

    You should be dubbed "the Hokusai of the G1"...

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    Bill,

    lucky and gifted! what a combination

    Thank you so much for sharing, and I feel that you are right... 2009 is going to be a great year, if character building!

    Kind Regards

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    I am impressed with many of the photos taken with 45-200 lens, that are posted in this thread. These photos demonstrate that the G1 with 45-200 in capable hands can produce high IQ photos at high ISO's hand held.

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    Just as a general comment from my very limited use so far (less than 100 frames with it) it appears it is definitely optimized for the long (200mm) setting at mid focus ranges. It is stunningly good even wide open at this end. However, IQ seems to dip to more like a typical consumer zoom in the 45 through 150 range. Still very good, especially for a $350 long range zoom with IS, but not not stunningly good.

    Regardless, IMO it is a *must have* lens if you own the camera...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Just as a general comment from my very limited use so far (less than 100 frames with it) it appears it is definitely optimized for the long (200mm) setting at mid focus ranges. It is stunningly good even wide open at this end. However, IQ seems to dip to more like a typical consumer zoom in the 45 through 150 range. Still very good, especially for a $350 long range zoom with IS, but not not stunningly good.

    Regardless, IMO it is a *must have* lens if you own the camera...

    I was waiting to hear that here. Guess I'll go for it and decide on other lenses later. Still, of course, waiting for mine from Canada--hoiday put a crimp in shipping I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard View Post
    Bill,
    Just to add to the accolades, your two photos are stunning.
    Thanks Howard. I see that you are in Los Angeles. I have to admit, after being in Japan for 22+ years, I've lately been feeling a little homesick for LA. I'll be looking forward to seeing some of your pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Per Ofverbeck View Post
    Bill, they´re all good, but the last one is absolutely exquisite!

    A photographic Haiku, if ever there was one.

    You should be dubbed "the Hokusai of the G1"...
    Thanks Per. I've been called a lot of things before, but that's definitely a first!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Bill,

    lucky and gifted! what a combination

    Thank you so much for sharing, and I feel that you are right... 2009 is going to be a great year, if character building!

    Kind Regards

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    Thanks Brian. I hope I don't build too much character. My wife already thinks I'm quite a character as it is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Just as a general comment from my very limited use so far (less than 100 frames with it) it appears it is definitely optimized for the long (200mm) setting at mid focus ranges. It is stunningly good even wide open at this end. However, IQ seems to dip to more like a typical consumer zoom in the 45 through 150 range. Still very good, especially for a $350 long range zoom with IS, but not not stunningly good.

    Regardless, IMO it is a *must have* lens if you own the camera...

    Very interesting! One might even say one buys a 400/5.6 (eff. FL), and gets a usable coverage of the other range as a bonus. Im old enough to have used one of those Novoflex FollowFocus 400/5.6 for birds (a bazooka-like lens with a pistol grip; would get you arrested in an instant today...).

    I far prefer the best IQ at the long end on this type of lens, so this is what I wanted to hear; Im ordering one!

    Too bad mine wont come with a Mt Fuji view.....

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    For people not used to Panansonic, they have an extended zoom range that is NOT an interpolated digital zoom. By going into this mode you get a smaller sized file from the center of the sensor. If you are taking a long zoom shot that you know you will crop (i.e. really needed a longer lens), at least in this mode you get metering that was done off the framing you want not the full frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    For people not used to Panansonic, they have an extended zoom range that is NOT an interpolated digital zoom. By going into this mode you get a smaller sized file from the center of the sensor. If you are taking a long zoom shot that you know you will crop (i.e. really needed a longer lens), at least in this mode you get metering that was done off the framing you want not the full frame.

    EZ zoom can be a life saver just when you need that little bit extra reach and don't mind the smaller file size, i use it all the time, nice feature brought over from the Panny bridge camera's.


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    How do you get the EZ menu option to not be grayed out? I can't find any mode where it isn't grayed out.
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