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    "Many people" is different from "most of us".

    I'm sorry, but telling someone that they are not representing your thoughts with their opinion is hardly reason for them to get all in a snit.

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Quote Originally Posted by clay stewart View Post
    I disagree. I think many of the enthusiasts, have been asking for years like maybe 10 or 12, on the forums, for a return to OM1/FM2 type and size cameras as well as small affordable rangefinder type bodies. Well, all the sudden the OMD, Fuji x100,100s, Xpro1 and XE1 come out and they sell like hot cakes. It only took the camera makers 10 years to figure out what a lot of us had known all along. So, no, I don't for a minute, think any of the electronics companies have a clue, most of the time. People in large corporations are still just people, they are not gods and to treat them as such thinking they know everything, only makes us into idiots.
    ... which is why both is needed. Note the title of this thread; the GX7 really is the Swiss Army Knife of cameras. As an alternative, I would like something even simpler than the OM-D. With film, I use an OM-2 and an F6 and enjoy both equally much. However, when time is an issue, I have a much higher hit rate with the Nikon.

    I've been thinking a lot about these differences lately, and I see myself going back to film and vinyl records increasingly often. Still I don't have a smartphone, and I've figured out that I don't really want one. My job might force me to though. Not being available isn't always an alternative anymore.

    So GX7 (or the good, "old" GH2) when I need quick action and no problems. For slower paced photography, I would clearly prefer one of the Fujis, but money is still a limiting factor, at least for me.

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Quote Originally Posted by hot View Post
    Soooo, batteries for GX7 arrived
    PATONAs are full okay.

    Now I need a gooood dealer for GX7 ... hmmm, noooo preorder - I am not crazy!




    Haha, pleading for 10x price ... Lumix batteries "Made in China"

    Weltweit jährlich ca. 30-40 Fälle von explodierten Nicht-Original Akkus

    Akkus minderer Qualität enthalten im Gegensatz zu den original Panasonic Lithium-Ionen Akkus oftmals
    keine Schutzvorrichtungen. Bei Verwendung entsprechender Akkus kann es zum einen zu Überhitzung,
    Auslaufen oder Explosionen kommen, zum anderen aber auch zu Schädigungen an den jeweils
    verwendeten Geräten. Im schlimmsten Fall sogar zu Verletzungen des Anwenders (z.B. Verbrennungen).

    Die Hauptursache für derartige Vorfälle sind Kurzschlüsse in der Akku-Zelle. Die Mehrheit der Kurzschlüsse
    wird durch Außeneinflüsse (z.B. fallenlassen des Gerätes) hervorgerufen, die die Funktionalität der schlecht
    verarbeiteten Akkus gefährden.


    Panasonic analysiert jeden einzelnen berichteten Fall

    Panasonic analysiert JEDEN EINZELNEN berichteten Fall von explodierenden Lithium-Ionen Akkus.
    In ALLEN bisher bekannten Fällen von explodierten Akkus handelte es sich nachweislich um Nicht-Original
    Akkus (entweder Fremdanbieter oder Fälschung), deren Schutzfunktionen nicht den internationalen Standards
    entsprachen. Panasonic empfiehlt daher ausdrücklich die Verwendung von Original Panasonic Lithium-Ionen Akkus.

    Panasonic weist ausdrücklich darauf hin, dass die Verwendung von Akkus minderer Qualität zu Sach- bzw.
    Personenschäden führen kann. Panasonic übernimmt keine Haftung für Schäden jeder Art, die durch die
    Verwendung von Nicht-Panasonic Li-Ionen Akkus entstanden sind.




    Thanks for the post! I will have to wait and see if pana will sneakily disable their (3rd party batteries) use. They are, after all, a battery company, making a bundle of cash on their batteries.

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    ALL of my Panasonic batteries are Made in China. I think they are produced by manufacturer XYZ like a lot of other "noname" batteries - same machine, but 10x price.

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    Is it really true? Does the GX7 use the same battery as my GH2. That is very good news indeed

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Having used the following mirrorless cameras extensively I can state the following opinions (these are mine and you are not obliged to share them):

    Oly EPL-1: Incremental improvement over the E-P1. Sensor needs a lot of work and the limited ISO range hurts it as a primary walkabout/travel rig.

    Leica M8, M9: Solid, German "built-like-a-panzer" bauhaus design. Amazing lenses (with amazing prices). Has its warts (IR filters, poor high ISO performance, pretty much auto-nothing), but can take amazing images once learned. Forces you to be methodical. M9 improves incrementally. The Leica M Typ 240 brings the camera line into the 21st Century with a modern CMOS sensor design and all of the goodies that brings to the table.

    Sony NEX-7: Wunderkind of the Sony NEX lineup, this camera essentially stuffed an A77 sensor into a tiny body. State of the art EVF and tilting screen make this camera a pleasure to use, especially with old glass. Lack of IBIS hurt the design as the high pixel density made it very prone to hand blur at slow shutter speeds. I found the "plate and cylinder" design hard to hold (I have big hands). The rumored NEX FF will undoubtedly address these shortcomings.

    Oly OM-D EM-5: A fitting tribute to the classic OM line of film SLRs, this camera with its 5-axis IBIS and stable of great lenses (including the stunning 12-50 kit lens) makes this camera an excellent choice. Focus peaking was added on via firmware update addressing this camera's one technical shortcoming. The one niggly bit keeping me from using this (or any 4/3 camera for that matter) is 4:3 ratio of the sensor. Every image I take will have to be cropped in order to be printed at standard sizes.

    Sony Alpha A99 SLT-A99V:
    Mark this moment as one of the few times I will ever agree with [strike]The Hack[/strike] Ken Rockwell. The Sony Alpha A99 is, in essence, a mirrorless camera. The translucent mirror doesn't really interfere with the image capturing process and only serves to redirect a small portion of the light to the phase-det array. Great low light performance + IBIS makes this an amazing shooter. Recent dance recitals with this camera and the 70-200mm G f/2.8 + 1.4x TC have yielded much higher keeper rates. This camera is a workhorse and it is workhorse big.

    Fuji X-E1: This little gem and the equally fabulous 18 - 55mm kit lens make for a stellar walkabout/travel camera. It just needs a little tweak to the focus peaking that was added in the last update to allow different edge colors to be selected in the camera display. That is supposed to be coming in the next update.

    The Panny GX7 appears to address a lot of the shortcomings of the m4/3 line of cameras. We'll see when the review samples arrive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Is it really true? Does the GX7 use the same battery as my GH2. That is very good news indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by hot View Post
    Interesting battery/card compartment and door design. I see you acquired the image from
    http://www.ephotozine.com/article/pa...t-review-22581

    Looking through the photos of the GX7 in this article: some nice design work. The cable connection interfaces are all on the left, opposite side of the camera from the grip and controls (unlike the E-P5). The design of the grip offsets the lens to the left a fair bit, it looks generously sized and very useful. I wondered if the flash would have the two-position popup as on the L1, but it appears not.

    All in all, I think the GX7 looks more and more interesting. It's design looks more like a development of the LC1/L1 aesthetic the more I look at it, and the L1 was a superb working camera for me. I found in my experience using the G1 model (late 2008 to 2010) that it worked best with dedicated mFT mount lenses from wide to normal (up to 25-28 mm), and then I liked using it most with adapted manual lenses. There are many more top-notch lens choices in dedicated mount now than there were then, but since I have an excellent line-up of M-mount and R-mount lenses from 35mm to 180mm, I suspect this will mean that I'd want the body and maybe one or two dedicated mount lenses, and a few high quality mount adapters. I also have two of my favorite FourThirds SLR lenses (11-22 and 35 Macro) that will work nicely on it, although they are somewhat bulky.

    The lack of an external sound input and the omission of image stabilization during video recording detracts a bit from its capabilities as a video camera, but I think if I want to do serious video I'd be better off with something more like this
    http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/prod...etcinemacamera
    which has the same Micro-FourThirds lens mount.

    All in all, very encouraging.
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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Interesting battery/card compartment and door design.
    Unfortunately, Panasonic's battery/card doors tend to be more interesting than practical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Unfortunately, Panasonic's battery/card doors tend to be more interesting than practical.
    I agree, although this one looks useable. I miss the separate card door layout, but at least here it looks like you can make a tripod QR adapter plate that allows access to the battery/card without having to remove the adapter: seems plenty of room between the lens-axis centered tripod mount and the door's hinge and motion area.

    The tetchy little battery/card doors on both the GXR and E-PL1 are no great shakes either, and of course there's the M design of "remove the whole baseplate to get to the battery or card" thing as well. Silly stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    The lack of an external sound input and the omission of image stabilization during video recording detracts a bit from its capabilities as a video camera, but I think if I want to do serious video I'd be better off with something more like this htp://www.blackmagicdesign.com/produ...etcinemacamera
    I do not need external sound input - my ZOOM H1 is 10x better than external sound input. Also I do not need movie stabilisation - tripod was invented years ago (I am not a hard drinking guy ...)

    Blackmagic for € 999 (body only) - 1x 2.10MP CMOS, 1920 x 1080 @ 30p - no, no, no. Sure it is a nice camcorder, but I am not Scorsese, I am not Jackson, I am not Cameron, all three would laugh (ROTFL).

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    Looks like finally a viable replacement/enhancement for my GH2, of which key weakness is IQ above ISO400. The tiltable EVF is a fair trade for the less versatile LCD, but does it have the unique ability of GH2 to vary format without cropping.
    When Panasonic brought out GH3 I thought they were going somewhere which wasn't why I adopted M43 but this is encouraging. I am a casual video user so can live without external mike but appreciate video quality of GH2. I just hope IQ is at least as good as OMD E5

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    Ephotozine has their full GX7 review up, including ISO tests that you can compare to their E-P5 tests:

    Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Expert Review

    GX7 @ ISO 3200

    E-P5 @ ISO 3200

    To me, the GX7 looks cleaner at higher ISOs like 3200 or 6400 (jpgs at least). There seems to be less artifacts from NR, and slightly better detail. Also, I noted that Panasonic, like their previous cameras, has a slightly more sensitive ISO calibration--the GX7 exposes a 1/4 stop higher shutter speed (in this case, 1/100 vs 1/80).

    After looking at these, I'm inclined to say that Panasonic has raised the bar for m4/3, at least slightly, though it still remains to be seen whether dynamic range is at the same level as the Sony-made sensors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    Ephotozine has their full GX7 review up, including ISO tests that you can compare to their E-P5 tests:

    Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Expert Review

    GX7 @ ISO 3200

    E-P5 @ ISO 3200
    The more I read about this camera, the more desirable it seems. It really does seem to be an outstanding design with great features.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    The more I read about this camera, the more desirable it seems. It really does seem to be an outstanding design with great features.

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    And yet we know almost nothing about the thing that takes the image - the Sensor.

    Lots about the knobs and dials. Precious little about what will make our images better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonygamble View Post
    And yet we know almost nothing about the thing that takes the image - the Sensor.

    Lots about the knobs and dials. Precious little about what will make our images better.
    True, but as I have said before I had no real issues with the G1 model's sensor, and that was a while back. This new sensor, if it's on par with the E-M5 or E-P5 sensor, will certainly suffice.

    I wait not only for the GX7 to be available to test, but also for Lightroom to support it. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonygamble View Post
    And yet we know almost nothing about the thing that takes the image - the Sensor.
    Hehe, do you think it will have a baaaaad sensor? All my LUMIXes are excellent - and so will be GX7.

    If a new car comes to market, do you ask for rubber of wheels?

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Quote Originally Posted by hot View Post
    If a new car comes to market, do you ask for rubber of wheels?
    Certainly not . . . but I do ask about the performance, and the sensor is central to that. I'm not so convinced about the Panasonic sensors of the past, and it seems that the OMD and Pen 5 have Sony sensors (and very fine they are too). If the GX7 sensor is that good, then that's fine, but if it's just another Panasonic also ran, then, no. (mind you, the last camera I had from Panasonic was the GX1, and I was underwhelmed by the sensor). I think the quality of the IBIS is also relevant.

    It's all very well ticking all the boxes (and they certainly have) - but in my opinion it's more about the quality of the ticks than whether they exist or not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Certainly not . . . but I do ask about the performance, and the sensor is central to that. I'm not so convinced about the Panasonic sensors of the past, and it seems that the OMD and Pen 5 have Sony sensors (and very fine they are too). If the GX7 sensor is that good, then that's fine, but if it's just another Panasonic also ran, then, no. (mind you, the last camera I had from Panasonic was the GX1, and I was underwhelmed by the sensor). I think the quality of the IBIS is also relevant.

    It's all very well ticking all the boxes (and they certainly have) - but in my opinion it's more about the quality of the ticks than whether they exist or not!
    I can't but agree. However, I wonder what was so disappointing about the GX1 sensor.

    The IBIS ... eh? None of my other cameras now have image stabilization other than the Pen E-PL1 that I picked up cheap, and it is hardly state of the art. I haven't found that IS in general nets me more than a stop or two worth of hand-holding capability ... It's most useful to me with slow-ish middling-long lenses that I'd like to hand-hold in slightly less than perfect lighting conditions, as opposed to a necessity for low light shooting.

    That stop or two IS gain is just fine to, say, hold a 70 or 135mm lens (on mFT) steadily for a sports event down into the 1/100 second exposure range. That's good enough for my purposes. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I can't but agree. However, I wonder what was so disappointing about the GX1 sensor.

    The IBIS ... eh? None of my other cameras now have image stabilization other than the Pen E-PL1 that I picked up cheap, and it is hardly state of the art. I haven't found that IS in general nets me more than a stop or two worth of hand-holding capability ... It's most useful to me with slow-ish middling-long lenses that I'd like to hand-hold in slightly less than perfect lighting conditions, as opposed to a necessity for low light shooting.

    That stop or two IS gain is just fine to, say, hold a 70 or 135mm lens (on mFT) steadily for a sports event down into the 1/100 second exposure range. That's good enough for my purposes. :-)

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    The IBIS on the e-m5 and the E-P5 are in another league. They net at least 3 stops and are IMHO a huge leap forward in image stabilization. You should give it a try once and get a sense if it makes as much a difference to you.
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    Agreed. A league of their own. Looking thru the OM-D EVF with an adapted long lens is an experience. Time slows down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limbonaut View Post
    They net at least 3 stops and are IMHO a huge leap forward in image stabilization.
    Three stops and possibly more is a staggering improvement. Are you just lucky or are all the users reporting this?

    I have heard people talking of a stop or a bit more with IS. Three is amazing.

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

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    Three stops and possibly more is a staggering improvement. Are you just lucky or are all the users reporting this?

    I have heard people talking of a stop or a bit more with IS. Three is amazing.

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    Hi Tony
    We're all getting this - the IBIS on the EM5 is nothing short of astounding - and supposedly it's even better on the EP5 - If you want to use longer third party lenses it's a real winner (e.g. the 135 Apo Telyt makes a spiffing 270 f3.4!). The fact that (unlike most IBIS) it also shows in the viewfinder is the killer punch.
    Godfrey - it's one of those things that you need to try to appreciate the use of it.

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    OK, jono. Thanks.

    I have had the GH2 since it came out. No IBIS of course.

    I like inbuilt EVF as I like to save my hotshoe for a flash.

    Is it the EM5 that I'd swop to if I wanted to change bodies?

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonygamble View Post
    OK, jono. Thanks.

    I have had the GH2 since it came out. No IBIS of course.

    I like inbuilt EVF as I like to save my hotshoe for a flash.

    Is it the EM5 that I'd swop to if I wanted to change bodies?

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    Hi Tony. Certainly I would. Or if I wasn't in a hurry I'd wait for the new OMD which is apparently being announced in September.

    At least. If you're doing lots of video, and you only use Panasonic stabilised lenses I can see the argument for sticking with Panasonic. If not I think the OMD is still a no-brainer with the weather sealing and the IBIS

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    Hi jono,

    I never do video. I like the high speed burst on the GH2 for tennis as quite often I get a shot of the ball actually on the racket. But I could do without.

    A lot of my work is with the Panny pancakes which are not stabilised - so I guess the IBIS would be worth the swop in that situation.

    I am in no rush. I read the rumours about the EM6. It's a pity there is no Photokina this year to precipitate the new model announcements.

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonygamble View Post
    Three stops and possibly more is a staggering improvement. Are you just lucky or are all the users reporting this?

    I have heard people talking of a stop or a bit more with IS. Three is amazing.

    Tony
    I have not done the math, the three stops is my seat of the pants analysis. However, I've been able to get blur free images I've had no business getting. You can find several reviews that have done the more scientific analysis and I think their findings were consistent with what I've experienced.

    I had the OM-D and now have the EP-5. They are similar in this regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limbonaut View Post
    The IBIS on the e-m5 and the E-P5 are in another league. They net at least 3 stops and are IMHO a huge leap forward in image stabilization. You should give it a try once and get a sense if it makes as much a difference to you.
    I've had the opportunity to shoot with the E-M5 (and owned the E-5). While they're good IS systems, I never found that they gave me much more than the usual stop or two extra. I tend to be very steady anyway so it's likely a perception based on my own hand-holding capabilities.

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    Ah the fun of fora.

    “They net at least 3 stops”

    “I never found that they gave me much more than the usual stop or two extra.”

    What a shame. I love shopping.

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    - seems the GH2 will be with me for a while yet!

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Tony, that depends on your shooting technique. Photographers who are able to shoot at long shutter times without IS also have less to gain from mechanical or optical stabilisation. I notice that very clearly when I use cameras without viewfinders; suddenly IS is of great help while normally, I see little difference.

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonygamble View Post
    Ah the fun of fora.

    “They net at least 3 stops”

    “I never found that they gave me much more than the usual stop or two extra.”

    What a shame. I love shopping.

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    I also find nothing wrong with my GH-2. The whole OMD " revolution" is totally lost on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonygamble View Post
    Ah the fun of fora.
    “They net at least 3 stops”
    “I never found that they gave me much more than the usual stop or two extra.
    What a shame. I love shopping.
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    - seems the GH2 will be with me for a while yet!
    Hmm. Shopping begins when I can go to the store and look at the camera. Right now, this is all speculation and entertainment.

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    Lucky you, Godfrey in San Jose.

    Shopping.

    I don't think we have camera shops in London now. The big two, Jessops and Jacobs, went belly up. I think that R G Lewis still exists and there are a couple near the British Museum. There is one on Kensington High Street but after that I struggle.

    I spent hours in R G Lewis when I worked nearby - to my bank manager's despair!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonygamble View Post
    Lucky you, Godfrey in San Jose.

    Shopping.

    I don't think we have camera shops in London now. The big two, Jessops and Jacobs, went belly up. I think that R G Lewis still exists and there are a couple near the British Museum. There is one on Kensington High Street but after that I struggle.

    I spent hours in R G Lewis when I worked nearby - to my bank manager's despair!

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    When in London about the Easter time (a bitterly cold Easter time), I poked about in the Leica and other camera shop by the British Museum after enjoying the Herculaneum exhibit. Seems to me that they had Leicas, Fujis, Panasonics, Olympus, Nikon, Canon, etc.

    There's one consumer/pro camera shop in Palo Alto (about 10 miles from me) and another in San Francisco (about 50 miles from me). That's enough for shopping ... I usually know what I want before I go in, but it's nice to see the new cameras in person before you plunk down your money.

    Most of what I buy is old stuff, tho. I'm just in the process of acquiring another Nikon F with 35mm f/2.8 lens (1965 vintage), and am looking at more Leica R lenses ... 35mm and 21mm at present.

    Most of the new stuff is all great, works great, so shopping is really a matter of reading all the final specs when the production models comes available, reading the manuals, then going to the store to see if my hands hate the darn thing. ;-)

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    Anyone got the GX7 yet ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonygamble View Post
    Lucky you, Godfrey in San Jose.

    Shopping.

    I don't think we have camera shops in London now. The big two, Jessops and Jacobs, went belly up. I think that R G Lewis still exists and there are a couple near the British Museum. There is one on Kensington High Street but after that I struggle.

    I spent hours in R G Lewis when I worked nearby - to my bank manager's despair!

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    HI Tony
    funny old world - I work in the countryside near Norwich, and it's a ten minute drive to the WEX showroom - I think it's the biggest photo shop in the UK these days . . . . and if you can't be bothered to turn up, then they'll deliver ridiculously fast (for instance, if you place your order before 6.30 pm on Friday you'll get it on Saturday morning).

    . . . . and it seems to me that the E-M1 is irresistible!

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    Anyone got the GX7 yet ?
    Amazon says Sep 30 release.

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    Amazon says Sep 30 release.
    That's a week before the E-M1, and for a few dollars more you get all that extra . . . and it isn't even that much bigger:


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    Anyone got the GX7 yet ?
    Hi, it is close... I ordered mine from Photocontinental in Brisbane, Australia... they are local and the prices are very competitive with online. They said it should be in my hands by the end of September, hopefully...

    For now I downloaded the GX7 Manual from Panasonic UK, that will keep me going.

    This link should work, you may have to approve the download though:

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    That's a week before the E-M1, and for a few dollars more you get all that extra . . . and it isn't even that much bigger:

    Size and price aren't the only criteria to differentiate between these two cameras. They're close on size, price ... well, the Olympus is nearly 40% more money, which is significant. The Panasonic has a completely different form factor and less configurability/customizability. On the positive side, it's probably a bit faster to learn.

    What I see in these two competing models is kind of the difference between the Panasonic L1 and the Olympus E-1 FourThirds DSLRs. They were close on price when they were new, they looked and felt very different, they worked pretty differently too, and they were both excellent cameras which produce excellent results. They're both subtle pieces of equipment. I don't think the differences in sensor capabilities and image quality between the two will amount to more than a small hill of beans in the end. ;-)

    So I think we have a redux of that great pair in Micro-FourThirds now. In some ways, I like the design and simplicity of the Panasonic more ... but I chose the Olympus because I think it better suits my desire to use with my ZD SLR lenses where I expect the Panasonic will be better suited for mostly Micro-FourThirds lenses. Just like with the L1 and E-1, I found the L1 a natural and it took me a little longer to learn the E-1. But in the end, the E-1 did what I want more which is why I kept it and sold the L1.

    Amazing times to have such choices available at our fingertips, and both of them are pretty darn inexpensive for what they offer...

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    In case anyone hasn't seen this yet:

    Panasonic GX7 Review
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    I'm leaning towards buying both. The GX7 with the 20mm f/1.7 looks like an excellent, compact go-anywhere package, and they will sell it as a kit here for just $200 more than body only. I agree with Godfrey about the parallel to E/L1, and this time around, the Panasonic has even more to offer, like tiltable viewfinder and superior video.

    What may break the deal for me with the Panasonic is the AF. If the Olympus is very much superior in this area, using the Panasonic might become frustrating. I'm trying to find time to try out both cameras next week, since my camera shrink has demos.
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    I'm leaning towards buying both. The GX7 with the 20mm f/1.7 looks like an excellent, compact go-anywhere package, and they will sell it as a kit here for just $200 more than body only. I agree with Godfrey about the parallel to E/L1, and this time around, the Panasonic has even more to offer, like tiltable viewfinder and superior video.

    What may break the deal for me with the Panasonic is the AF. If the Olympus is very much superior in this area, using the Panasonic might become frustrating. I'm trying to find time to try out both cameras next week, since my camera shrink has demos.
    Unless you shoot a lot of moving things, the AF of the GX7 will be fine. In fac,t Panasonic is promising focus down to -4 EV so that should still make it very fast for focusing in typical low light scenarios.

    I would boil this down to this: You have 4/3rd lenses that you want to use? - go EM1.

    You shoot sports/moving stuff? Go EM1

    You need weather sealing (and by that I mean you really need it, not pretend you do)- go EM1.

    Shoot JPEGS in color? Go Em1 (B&W on GX7 should be fine/great).

    You need good video? Go GX7, or ideally, GH3.

    You want a camera that could fit in a pocket? (jacket pocket or loose jeans pocket) - go GX7.

    Everything else go GX7 unless there's some particular feature or usability on the EM1 you like more.

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    Ricardo, I can easily tick all those boxes and I need at least 2 bodies for events (I actually prefer to have 3, but I also have a GH2). The 2 new bodies will replace the GH1 bodies of which I've given away one and will sell or give away the other soon. At events, I carry one body with wide zoom (7-14mm), one with normal zoom (probably the new Zuiko unless the PanaLeica 14-50 focuses fast enough with AF-C on the Olympus) and one with the 75mm. They all fit into a small shoulder/belt bag and saves me from changing lenses at all. Very fast and convenient, helping me to get shots that I would have missed while changing lenses.

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    Jorgen- if you want the cameras to shoot events, I think I would pick two EM1's then. Personally having to switch between one or the other seems to be can be a bit confusing in the middle of event shooting.

    If you need to shoot events that there are moments of absolute silence, then I would say GX7 for the electronic shutter mode.

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    I don't worry so much about using different cameras. I do that all the time. What I do need for some events is good AF-C. Here's a photo that I struggled with using the GH2 and Zuiko 75mm. The boy in the background is properly in focus, the girls not:

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    Here in Germany , the date of first availability is September 19th .
    At least , thats what most dealers say .
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    That's a week before the E-M1, and for a few dollars more you get all that extra . . . and it isn't even that much bigger:
    Interesting pricing Jono, current stated list price for GX7 at Photo Continental in Brisbane is $1.098 including tax of 10%, and the E-M1 I was quoted $1,495, both body only.

    Our pricing in Australia is usually much higher than the US, UK is a little different, mostly they are higher than us. But my point is, the price difference is closer to $400 here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matix View Post
    Interesting pricing Jono, current stated list price for GX7 at Photo Continental in Brisbane is $1.098 including tax of 10%, and the E-M1 I was quoted $1,495, both body only.

    Our pricing in Australia is usually much higher than the US, UK is a little different, mostly they are higher than us. But my point is, the price difference is closer to $400 here.

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    You should be quite happy with the prices in AUSTRALIA .
    The GX7 , body only , is 948,00€ at one dealer and all others state 998,00€ here.
    We surely will see a price drop in about 6-8 month here , but I want the GX7 now . . Can't wait .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matix View Post
    Interesting pricing Jono, current stated list price for GX7 at Photo Continental in Brisbane is $1.098 including tax of 10%, and the E-M1 I was quoted $1,495, both body only.
    Well - more than a few dollars - the E-M1 is £1300, the GX7 £1000 - but there seems to be a lot of difference in specification.

    I can see the attraction of the GX7, but I still think the IBIS is likely to be a lot better in the Olympus, and on that basis I'm not sure that I wouldn't have an E-P5 as a smaller second camera (no built in EVF, but the plug in one works well). I like the twin dials and similar layout. It is smaller too Pen vs GX7

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