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    Well I have had the GX7 now for nearly 3 weeks, not much time to spend a day shooting with it until yesterday, and I have decided it is a keeper.

    Handling, it is a great body and in some ways better than the GH3, feels like a sibling for sure, quite a bit lighter and a much better viewfinder with accurate colour and exposure display is a bonus. The GH3 certainly does not display WYSIWYG as accurately as the rear display screen. Ok for composing but not even close for colour or exposure.

    Ergonomics, a good feel in the hand, enough buttons in a familiar location for users of the GX1 and LX7 works for me. I find I am using the Custom settings more to save time, work well. The focus peaking while not as good as the Sony A77 is a help for manual focusing, and being able to control the enlargment area while leaving the background as viewed is great.

    I opted for the Panasonic eye cup add on, this reduces the flashes of peripheral sunlight when using the EVF, an excellent addition which will stay on the camera permanently.

    Here are a couple of samples and link to the gallery, shot in JPG, all quickly and hand held, from the Brisbane Open Buildlings day yesterday. I spent the day in the hazy sun with the GX7, 12-35mm and 7-14mm Panasonic lenses. A small bag easy on the shoulder, and at no time did I wish for the GH3, A77 or any of my past Nikons. No special attention to settings, all on the fly while walking with a group of people mostly

    Brisbane city, viewed from the patio of the Gallery of Modern Art building on the river precinct.



    The Hotel on The Park, a heritage building now part of the Treasury Casino



    The rest of the series... http://photos.photo-matix.com.au/p1004082109
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    I continue this thread. For me the GX7 also seems to be a keeper. Next week I go to Lisboa for some days, after that I know more. Only thing I miss is the highlight/shadow blinking and the IBIS of the E-M5. I'll see how important this is.
    Here some pics:
    12-35 at 12mm, ISO 1600


    12-35 at 12mm, ISO 3200


    12-35 at 32mm, ISO 800


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    Re: The GX7 Thread - Images and Opinions

    Matix, I wish you would change the title to drop the "opinions". The web is awash with that.

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    Nice shots Friedel, I have found the GX7 to feel like evolution of the GHx cameras. I have had all the GHx cameras, still would likely have the GH2 if I could have turned off the touchscreen which drove me bonkers on a trip to India... (touching the rear panel for example, kept changing the focus point inadvertantly), to be like my GH3 in a rangefinder form factor. I see no reason to carry the GH3 with me except when shooting wildlife and the rare time I would shoot a video needing a microphone input. Other than that, I believe it will do the job with a little less fuss and be my travel camera of choice.

    I feel the colour rendition is closer to reality in the JPG's as well, although like any other of the recent Panasonic m4/3 cameras, stopping down -1/3 or -2/3 helps in bright sunlight helps.

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    A couple of other images shot with the GX7 first with the 25mm f1.4



    Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8



    Also with the 12-35mm

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    Thank you, this was useful. I'm picking up my GH3 next week, which will mostly be used for work related photography, and plan to buy the GX7 in a few months as a travel camera. I've put the GH2 up for sale, but I've started wondering if I should rather keep it since it's a useful camera that won't get me a fortune when I sell it. On the other hand, I will buy the E-M1 as well... dilemmas, dilemmas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Thank you, this was useful. I'm picking up my GH3 next week, which will mostly be used for work related photography, and plan to buy the GX7 in a few months as a travel camera. I've put the GH2 up for sale, but I've started wondering if I should rather keep it since it's a useful camera that won't get me a fortune when I sell it. On the other hand, I will buy the E-M1 as well... dilemmas, dilemmas
    Thanks Jorgen, I really like the GH3 and find it a great camera to use, disappointed in the size, accuracy and quality of the EVF somewhat, it is a great and reliable camera to use. While the GH3 has a fully articulated screen, and the GX7 a tiltable up and down one, I rarely find a need for the GH3 flexibility as I very rarely use video, it is there when and if I need it for a tricky shot.

    Certainly the GH3 has more features easily to hand, but now I have the GX7 set up the way I want it with the Custom setting, only minimal adjustments are needed.

    I am waiting for Capture One 7 to support the GX7 RAW, but for now the out of camera JPG's can easily be tweaked by either of my tools, ACDSee Pro 7, which has the absolute best cataloging and quick adjust capabilies, and Captcure One Pro 7 for the tough and more critical adjustments.

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    Is the DMW-EC1 eyecup available in the UK?

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    Here is one from tonight. GX7 with Canon FD 500mm Mirror lens, iso 400 hand held braced on my deck, with shake reduction on. It is hard to focus the mirror lens, but with the magnify view I used a star to get infinity focus correct, then shot the moon. (click to enlarge)

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    That is a really good shot Dave, and with a mirror lens no less. They are supposed not to have sharp as a quality. You seem to have nailed that on this shot, well done.

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    Thanks Phil,

    Yes, the mirror is hard to focus and unless you get it just right it is blurry and looks bad, also jitter is also a problem with this focal length. Even a bit off and the whole image is soft. Also, if you shoot long distances which is the temptation with a 20x magnified view, haze in the distance is a real impact too. Lastly, it seems to have a slightly 'clumpy detail' softness in some shots, which is probably part of the mirror optical resolution. But when it all comes together, it is kind of fun.

    all the best,
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    Some fun with the GX7 and the 14-42 PZ
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    Another week has gone by, I am still working with the GX7 and it has not disappointed me yet, I am really enjoying the camera and the shots are in keeping with my needs. While I really like the GH3 body ergonomics, the lighter more compact benefits with no loss of IQ or general performance, I am sure this will mean the GH3 spends more time at home while I travel.

    A few shots from our garden this weekend. P/L 25mm 1.4, check of exposure and flash on one shot, all hand held and varying light.

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    GX7, f/3.5 @ 25 mm, 1/640, ISO 200


    GX7, f/5 @ 25 mm, 1/1000, ISO 200


    GX7, f/4 @ 25 mm, 1/320, ISO 200, Flash


    GX7, f/1.6 @ 25 mm, 1/100, ISO 200
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    LUMIX GX7 + 14-42 PZ at 20mm f8

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    A smile in the rain. Enjoy.


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    I'm very interested in the GX7 and I have one query. According to one review, the JPEGs are a bit soft when they come out of the camera and need to be sharpened in post. However, another review claims that the camera produces quite sharp JPEGs without the need for post processing. Which would you say is true, according to your experiences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tribal-warrior View Post
    I'm very interested in the GX7 and I have one query. According to one review, the JPEGs are a bit soft when they come out of the camera and need to be sharpened in post. However, another review claims that the camera produces quite sharp JPEGs without the need for post processing. Which would you say is true, according to your experiences?
    Well there are a lot of factors that can affect 'sharpness', lens quality, exposure settings, shutter speed, light, focus, are just a few.

    This shot, taken last night is an out of camera JPG with the default sharpness. What do you think?

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    GX7, f/2.5 @ 20 mm, f1.7 lens 1/200, ISO 200


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    After trying the EM-1 side-by-side with the GX7, I sold it and bought a second GX7, so I have voted, so to speak.

    Aperture recognises the Raw files now, so that's me covered on the stills side, and Final Cut Pro X handles the video output perfectly, so I am set. I found the JPEGs SOOC to be fine, and that was at the standard sharpening setting which may be made sharper in camera if you wish.
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    Kit, please do tell what made you favor the GX7 over the EM1?

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    Hello mazor,

    I started a thread over at our friends at Fred's, HERE.

    That first post pretty much says it all, though I did buy then sell an EM-1 in the weeks following and, as mentioned, bought a second GX7.

    µ4/3rds, as many here have noted, is more-or-less a mature standalone format now, and with Sony bringing out the two A7s, I think that the end of APS-C is nigh—not to say that some of these cameras aren't fantastic (for me, the NEX 6 was the pinnacle).

    Why GX7 over EM-1? Not so simple; and the fact that IBIS works in movie mode definitely would have been a big plus for me. But the Panny video is truly excellent, and not limited to less than 30', as is the Oly's. For my work, this is important.

    Stills-wise, I could see no ready or obvious difference between the files, personally. Colour is a matter of taste, and if you shoot Raw, can be whatever you want. I found the files out of both cameras to be excellent. Sure, not as much headroom as a FF file (my old Sony A850 and 900 were truly excellent in this regard) but if you know what you are doing on the PP front, good enough.

    In the end, I wanted two identical bodies: in the field, you need to be able to reach either and know how to use them by feel. I have used pairs of different bodies, and when needing to work quickly, problems or confusion can arise, even if momentarily, that interrupt the flow. I could not see enough, or or indeed, any advantage of the Oly over the Panny, and was able to use both side-by-side, so I sold the EM-1.

    Depending on how the new Sonys pan out in real life, I could see myself getting an A7; using a µ4/3rds body alongside a FF one does make sense, especially if you have a bunch of CV and Oly glass, as I do—now I have an interesting range of focal lengths. I can see myself using the Sony with an Oly 40/2 as my 'walk-around' body, and the GX-7 as my main video camera. Another factor that may push me in this direction is Final Cut Pro X; after using all the other iterations of FCP since FCP2, the flexibility in FCPX's capacity to freely mix all frame sizes and frame rates on the same timeline means that I could use the Sony as a Bcam if I had to—this is liberating.

    A bit OT, perhaps, but these factors played into my decision. As others have noted here, the camera bodies are the disposable part of the equation now. When I think of what I paid for my first 1Ds, then D3 and D3s, bought new... and the $899 GX7 makes WAY better video and decent-enough images. Well, glass is where I am putting my money now.

    The GX7 is a very good camera in its own right; I just could not see that the EM-1 was a better camera, apart from its weather-sealing and its dual function IBIS.

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    thanks kit, for that

    Yes for video, Panny is very hard to beat. I think the GH2 started the presidence after the hacks came out for it that allowed higher bit rate recording.

    Also I do like how the EVF can articulate vertically. It reminds me of how I use my FDA-EV1s on my Sony Nex 5n.

    Do you notice the difference in resolution when using the GX7 EVF vs the EM1 when you had an EM1?

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    mazor, I used the EM-1 and the GX-7 side-by-side, but I did not see the resolution difference that the specs suggest (though I recall that the sight picture was a bit bigger on the EM-1). If there was a difference, it did not jump out at men but I will add that this was not my main 'focus' (sorry about that!) at the time; the UIs were.

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    Kit,

    while I definitely respect your view about the GX7 vs. EM1, I must say that it is a VERY PERSONAL VIEW! As is what you state about Sony whatever cameras.

    I for myself would not even touch the GX7 anymore after using the EM1, already just for the MUCH better EVF of the EM1. Actually already the EM5 feels much, MUCH better for me than the GX7. And I owned a Sony A900 and sold it pretty fast as I preferred the Nikon D700 at this time. Similar thing happened with the Nex I owned, I always preferred whatever m43 Olympus model. And BTW I still cannot get friend with Sony even today as they offer that wonderful and sexy A7, A7r.

    Issue I see with such observations shared here, that some really can confuses people. What is the best for you might be the last for another person and vice versa. So I do not see too much value in such discussions and I actually suggest to be more careful with sharing such opinions!

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    Issue I see with such observations shared here, that some really can confuses people. What is the best for you might be the last for another person and vice versa. So I do not see too much value in such discussions and I actually suggest to be more careful with sharing such opinions!

    All the best

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    Not to butt in on this discussion, but, if Kit was selling Crack, i would accept your statement about being careful. But, we are discussing cameras as such, and i see no reason for what you say. After all, each person will make their own decision based on what works for them. Kits example happens to fall the way of the GX7, not the Crack pipe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Kit,

    Issue I see with such observations shared here, that some really can confuses people. What is the best for you might be the last for another person and vice versa. So I do not see too much value in such discussions and I actually suggest to be more careful with sharing such opinions!

    All the best

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    Hello Peter,

    I respect your viewpoint on the E-M1……it's a great camera. I was an inch from completely abandoning the entire m4/3's platform after many years and MANY camera bodies. Nothing excited me…..the GH3 and E-M5 were just a step away from my Pentax K-5iiS, both in size and weather sealing. Sold them both. The Pentax sensor won out. I saw the E-M1 as more of the same.

    As I was selling off my last lenses, I worked out a trade for the GX7. I have to agree with Kit. Again, for ME….it is a better camera. I'll be sticking around for a while longer.

    Just an opinion though……

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    I was an early adopter to the Pens and had them all. Then came the EM5 with which I never bonded because of its ergonomics and over designed menu system. The GX7 is, except for the G1, my first Panasonic, and the best mft body as far as I am concerned. I tried the Em-1 and whilst it is an impressive tool, its DSLR gestalt does feel oversized for the small sensor and for what mft should be all about imho. MFT should take advantage of the small sensor footprint and the resulting compact lens sizes. The EM 1 goes into another direction, bigger heavier, overpriced, trying to be everything to all people. IQ wise, the EM5, EP5, GX7 and EM1 are neck to neck. But the rangefinder inspired styling of the Panasonic wins for me and if the EP6 has an integrated EVF I might buy Olympus again.

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    Peter wrote:
    I must say that it is a VERY PERSONAL VIEW
    Of course; as is yours. And so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    Peter wrote:


    Of course; as is yours. And so?
    Just wonder what your criteria for a "better" camera really are ????

    Let alone IBIS (which is a criterium for me) and the definitely better EVF, but the most important factor for me is that using the EM1 with larger lenses (say a 75-300 or a 100-300) is much nicer and saver to hold than compared to these lenses mounted on the GX7. Also the GX7 is SO tiny, that I could hardly hold and really handle it and I do not have the largest hands.

    These are the simple things I ask from a camera (system) and the GX7 does not improve here over the EM1. So I wonder what your real requirements were (except video which is definitely better on the GX7).

    Your post sounds just like forget the EM1 because the GX7 is SO MUCH better, which just makes me wonder about - as I mentioned - your real criteria.

    And so what would be the arguments?

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    This is too silly. The GX7 and the E-M1 are completely different animals at completely different price points. Hopefully, I'll be able to afford both within the not too distant future, in addition to the GH3, one for travel and casual shooting and one for action and "heavier" work. Which one is better depends on needs and applications.
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    It seems I'm alone, but I think Panasonic made a big design mistake with the GX7. I recently put my hands on it in a shop (I'm waiting for a Leica-type silent M43 since years!) and was really disapointed where they put the release button - not a classic slightly cambered one in the corner, but a flat profile AFTER the program dial !!!!
    Result : impossible to shoot precisely, and, most of all, impossible to shoot with the second phalanx of the finger which is - all leicaists will confirm that - the best "oneself image stabilization" invented in the history of photography.
    Japanese ingineers aren't human or what?!?! What's sure, that they aren't photographers… Too bad! IMHO without this default - unacceptable for my use - the GX7 should be the best camera of the year.

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    hmm, I think there must be application for both GX7 and EM1 depending on type and style of photography. The EM1 does have phase AF on sensor which allows for older micro four thirds lens to focus quickly.

    A good question has anyone compared the focus speed between the EM1 and the GX7 with micro four thirds lens?

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    @ peter: I will comment on the IBIS aspect, as this might be useful to others: the GX7's in-body stabilisation works just fine for stills; I do not need it for video. By example, I have just shot a full weekend of an convention (exercise techniques); I shot one camera (GX-7, 14/2.5) hand-held on a monopod, and the camera movement (following action, panning and tilting) is very pleasant to watch. I intend to post elsewhere on this technique; it's a kind of poor man's SteadyCam; but it works. And when you want to prop somewhere, you open out the monopod and rest it on the floor.

    @ Jorgen: I agree with what you write above and (side comment) I love some of your images made with the GH3 on the other thread.

    @ mazor: I have a number of the Panasonic primes; they all focus adequately fast on the GX7 and when I used the same lenses on the EM1, I noticed no significant difference; they felt the same. I do not own any zooms, beyond the kit zoom that came with one of the bodies. These are too slow for the venues I have been shooting in, so I stick to the primes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Let alone IBIS (which is a criterium for me) and the definitely better EVF, but the most important factor for me is that using the EM1 with larger lenses (say a 75-300 or a 100-300) is much nicer and saver to hold than compared to these lenses mounted on the GX7. Also the GX7 is SO tiny, that I could hardly hold and really handle it and I do not have the largest hands.

    These are the simple things I ask from a camera (system) and the GX7 does not improve here over the EM1. So I wonder what your real requirements were (except video which is definitely better on the GX7).
    LOL! You're kidding, right?

    The m4/3 system, above and beyond all other factors, is about a relationship between IQ and SIZE.

    The GX7 addresses this far better than does the EM1, and yet you complain that it's 'tiny'?

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    It seems I'm alone, but I think Panasonic made a big design mistake with the GX7. I recently put my hands on it in a shop (I'm waiting for a Leica-type silent M43 since years!) and was really disapointed where they put the release button - not a classic slightly cambered one in the corner, but a flat profile AFTER the program dial !!!!
    Result : impossible to shoot precisely, and, most of all, impossible to shoot with the second phalanx of the finger which is - all leicaists will confirm that - the best "oneself image stabilization" invented in the history of photography.
    Japanese ingineers aren't human or what?!?! What's sure, that they aren't photographers… Too bad! IMHO without this default - unacceptable for my use - the GX7 should be the best camera of the year.
    Maybe I have Japanese genes. The shutter release of the GX7 is exactly where my finger expected to find it. As for the comparison with Leica, I have noticed that there is a slight price difference between the M and the GX7. Still, if I wanted a camera with Leica ergonomics, I do think I would buy the real thing rather than look for inferior, Japanese alternatives

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    I must have Nipponese genes too; the shutter button is perfect for my hands.

    @ gekopaca: can you do a mirror 'selfie' to show how your finger doesn't fit? And in 30+ years of pro photography, I have never used the second phalanges to release the shutter. I did do a whole lot of Olympic-event standing 50m pistol shooting though, and that means training steadiness and that might have something to do with it.

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    @ gekopaca: can you do a mirror 'selfie' to show how your finger doesn't fit?
    Not necessary, Tom Abrahamsson did it for me :-)


    On this one he's using a "softie", but I use the same technic without soft release on my Epson R-D1 which have a bulky release button and it's the best "in(human)body stab" I know.

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    Maybe I have Japanese genes. The shutter release of the GX7 is exactly where my finger expected to find it. As for the comparison with Leica, I have noticed that there is a slight price difference between the M and the GX7. Still, if I wanted a camera with Leica ergonomics, I do think I would buy the real thing rather than look for inferior, Japanese alternatives
    Jorgen, be sure I would be more easy to buy a GX7 than a Leica :-)
    In my case the end of my finger is JUST on the release, but I'm annoyed with the program dial and I must pull up my hand on the camera body and it's not a natural position for me.
    Obviously my hands are shorter than your, so I think I have more japanese gene than you

    PS I also tried the Fuji XE-1 and on this camera the place of the release is perfect for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    can you do a mirror 'selfie' to show how your finger doesn't fit? And in 30+ years of pro photography, I have never used the second phalanges to release the shutter.
    I just posted a picture of Tom Abrahamsson showing how to shoot like that, but my post is awaiting for moderation.

    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    I did do a whole lot of Olympic-event standing 50m pistol shooting though, and that means training steadiness and that might have something to do with it.
    Don't you know the stecher on the hunting guns? (I think it's "hair trigger" in english) On that kind of trigger you have to use the second phalanx to be precise.
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    These examples show how tiny details can often be deciding factors when buying (or not buying) cameras, and how individual those detail works from one photographer to the other.

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    These examples show how tiny details can often be deciding factors when buying (or not buying) cameras, and how individual those detail works from one photographer to the other.
    Indeed. So buying a x-E1 instead of a GX7 will break my heart. I use M43 system since 3 years now and I have a bush of very good legacy lenses + M43 adaptors which fit perfectly with my uses. Too bad!





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    Quote Originally Posted by gekopaca View Post
    It seems I'm alone, but I think Panasonic made a big design mistake with the GX7. I recently put my hands on it in a shop (I'm waiting for a Leica-type silent M43 since years!) and was really disapointed where they put the release button - not a classic slightly cambered one in the corner, but a flat profile AFTER the program dial !!!!
    Result : impossible to shoot precisely, and, most of all, impossible to shoot with the second phalanx of the finger...
    I got my GX7 today and I find it very doable to shoot with the soft part of my second phalanx. Have been doing it for the past couple hours. That said, it isn't by any means perfect (requires more effort than on the E-M1, for example), so I plan to add one of these: Gariz Concave Type Soft Button XA SB1 Black Red for Camera Soft Button | eBay

    I put those Gariz stick on soft release buttons on nearly all my cameras and find that they are a big improvement in every case. They stick on using 3M and have never fallen off any of my cameras. Just as good as a "screw in" soft release. The only handling issue I have with the GX7 is that I'd like if it had more of a thumb grip (like the recent Olympus cameras), and the hot shoe is so far to the left that I think it will be hard to design a good hot shoe mounted thumb grip.

    All that said, I love the camera. Absolutely perfect match for my PL25 in the same way that the E-M1 seems made for my Oly 75.

    Quick shot from the first roll, my two-month-old daughter. Shot in terrible light (f/1.4, ISO 2000 pushed at least 0.5-1 stops further in post), but these are her first smiles .


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    nice images of yous pen kit with EVF attached gekopaca. The EVF although very useful, seems to stick up awfully high on the Pen. Plus it does not seem very aerodynamic lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazor View Post
    nice images of yous pen kit with EVF attached gekopaca. The EVF although very useful, seems to stick up awfully high on the Pen. Plus it does not seem very aerodynamic lol
    That's exactly why I'm waiting to the GX7 since long time! Globaly I liked the E-P2, the design, the ergonomy, the results… but a viewfinder in the corner terribly missed me (because I like to shoot with my two eyes wide open, as I always did with my beloved R-D1 or my M2).
    So I sold the E-P2 because of that bulky viewfinder.

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    I got my GX7 today and I find it very doable to shoot with the soft part of my second phalanx. Have been doing it for the past couple hours. That said, it isn't by any means perfect (requires more effort than on the E-M1, for example), so I plan to add one of these: Gariz Concave Type Soft Button XA SB1 Black Red for Camera Soft Button | eBay

    I put those Gariz stick on soft release buttons on nearly all my cameras and find that they are a big improvement in every case. They stick on using 3M and have never fallen off any of my cameras. Just as good as a "screw in" soft release. The only handling issue I have with the GX7 is that I'd like if it had more of a thumb grip (like the recent Olympus cameras), and the hot shoe is so far to the left that I think it will be hard to design a good hot shoe mounted thumb grip.

    WOAW, THAT'S THE IDEA! THANKS!
    I'm an idiot, but I didn't know there's sticky soft releases!
    So I may consider buying a GX7! IT'S GREAT!
    In my case I clearly prefer the convex soft releases, and I only saw concave ones on the bay; but never mind, I think it's easy to make one by myself with a gently adapted piece of plastic or rubber and a part of 3M double tape.

    About the thumb grip : You're right, it's very useful on the cameras, in order to free the left hand for focusing on manual lenses… and in the case of the GX7 the hot shoe is too far for using a chinese thumb-up.
    Maybe the solution is a DIY thumb-up, as I did on my EP2?
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    Get two or more photographers talking about a camera and get none will necessarily agree. What I hate you will love ...

    There isn't a right camera for everyone although there is certainly a right camera for me, the only thing is I'm not sure which one it is!

    I've been looking for a CFC to replace my NEX7 (can't wait until Sony eventually produce the range of lenses I actually want ... a few of us have no doubt been there!), so I've been considering the Panny GX7, the Fuji XE-1 (or 2) and the OMD-EM1.

    Each camera has it's strengths and weaknesses in my opinion and I think that I'm quite torn between these cameras.

    I have no interest in video whatsoever.

    I tend to take considered (slow) pictures and do not do any form of action but do like available light/candid work.

    Image quality has to be the number one consideration and in that respect all three are good enough with their respective strengths and weaknesses ironed out by shooting RAW (my usual practice).

    One negative factor for the GX7 and EM1 is the smaller sensor. From my observations from processing RAW images from each camera, they are about 2 stops more grainy (iso 1600 on the XE1 being as grainy as iso 400 on the mft sensors (imo!)), that said I still got some very acceptable results at iso 1600 from the GX7. Without angrily jumping to the defense of your particular camera (please), do you have any comments that might reassure me on this? Grain is a bit of a killer for me.

    I know that AF speed with the XE-1 isn't on a par with the GX7/EM1 but I think it is similar to the NEX7, so it's not an issue for me.

    When processing the RAW image files from the XE-1, the EM1 and GX7 I noticed that the XE-1 needed less sharpening and when sharpened to the same amount the XE-1 files looked better than the GX7/EM1 versions which looked a little over-sharpened in comparison. I may well have been working on a duff bunch of RAW files (not taken by me incidentally), who knows? My question is, compared to using larger sensors (which many of you will have in the form of APSC cameras), do you feel the small sensor images look as good when printed?

    Now I'm not trying to start a punch-up here! Just asking for any pertinent observations from those who have had use of both APSC and MFT sensors and in particular any users of the XE-1 who have rejected the MFT to find out why.

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    It depends on how little available light you are aiming for. XE-1/2 with Fuji's trio of fast primes would be ideal for that of course, unless you want to go all manual with Voigtlander's f/0.95 lenses and m4/3. In that case, I would go with the E-M1 with superior IBIS and very good low light capabilities.

    When that is said, I shoot my GH3 at ISO 6400 without hesitation, particularly if b&w is the purpose. But then, I actually consider grain a natural component of a photographic image
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodworth View Post
    Get two or more photographers talking about a camera and get none will necessarily agree. What I hate you will love ...

    There isn't a right camera for everyone although there is certainly a right camera for me, the only thing is I'm not sure which one it is!

    I've been looking for a CFC to replace my NEX7 (can't wait until Sony eventually produce the range of lenses I actually want ... a few of us have no doubt been there!), so I've been considering the Panny GX7, the Fuji XE-1 (or 2) and the OMD-EM1.

    Each camera has it's strengths and weaknesses in my opinion and I think that I'm quite torn between these cameras.

    I have no interest in video whatsoever.

    I tend to take considered (slow) pictures and do not do any form of action but do like available light/candid work.

    Image quality has to be the number one consideration and in that respect all three are good enough with their respective strengths and weaknesses ironed out by shooting RAW (my usual practice).

    One negative factor for the GX7 and EM1 is the smaller sensor. From my observations from processing RAW images from each camera, they are about 2 stops more grainy (iso 1600 on the XE1 being as grainy as iso 400 on the mft sensors (imo!)), that said I still got some very acceptable results at iso 1600 from the GX7. Without angrily jumping to the defense of your particular camera (please), do you have any comments that might reassure me on this? Grain is a bit of a killer for me.

    I know that AF speed with the XE-1 isn't on a par with the GX7/EM1 but I think it is similar to the NEX7, so it's not an issue for me.

    When processing the RAW image files from the XE-1, the EM1 and GX7 I noticed that the XE-1 needed less sharpening and when sharpened to the same amount the XE-1 files looked better than the GX7/EM1 versions which looked a little over-sharpened in comparison. I may well have been working on a duff bunch of RAW files (not taken by me incidentally), who knows? My question is, compared to using larger sensors (which many of you will have in the form of APSC cameras), do you feel the small sensor images look as good when printed?

    Now I'm not trying to start a punch-up here! Just asking for any pertinent observations from those who have had use of both APSC and MFT sensors and in particular any users of the XE-1 who have rejected the MFT to find out why.
    Agree with most said about m43 versus Fuji. Only thing I really need to add is that the XE2 now also has really acceptable AF for me (speed, low light) and thus does away with the crippled AF from XE1 and XPro1.

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    Not necessary, Tom Abrahamsson did it for me :-)


    On this one he's using a "softie", but I use the same technic without soft release on my Epson R-D1 which have a bulky release button and it's the best "in(human)body stab" I know.
    In the Leica 3 leaflet, so years ago it was, they explained, to my point of view, an excellent way to get steady, I didn't find better since. This of course works for cameras with VF but I guess you can adapt it if framing with back screen.
    Here it goes, it all stands in the setting of the strap.
    The palm of your hand being up, place in the strap.
    Fold your arm and set the strap for the top plate of camera to be just under your elbow.
    Now, your arm and your head must pass thru the strap.
    In this position, when you bring the camera to your eye level, the strap is so tight you just can't have any shaky mouvement.

    Simple and terribly efficient !

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    Like a great many here, I have been looking at the Sony A7 bodies, but for much of the work I do, I find the shutter sound a bit too loud. I love the images from the cameras. But if I want a be-with-me-everywhere camera for stills only, then IQ and ergonomics (and framing experience through an EVF) is the major part of the equation for me.

    After spending a day or so on the net (on holidays; what a rush), I did a feature-by-feature comparison of a used X-Pro1, used X-E1 and a new X-E2. Used prices on the X-Pro 1 are ~$750 or so, s steal IMHO.

    I used to have an X-E1, and the XF 18, 35, and 60 lenses. I found the camera to be very good, on the whole, but not really compact (as is a GX-7 with the 20/1.7, for example, or the CV 35/2.5 that is sitting on it now). "Compact' for me is about shape in the bag (so this aspect 100% rules out an external finder) and I must have a finder.

    The X-E1 I used to have was before the firmware updates—by all reports, the last update has provided significantly faster AF on both the X-Pro1 and the X-E1. I will report back once I have taken camera and lens out for a street 'spin'.

    I bought a black X-E1 in perfect condition for $350. I intend to buy an XF 27/2.8 pancake (favourite focal length). I have a bunch of CV and OM lenses that will work via adapters if I want to go that way. The APS-C sensor size is a bit better crop-factor wise than the µ4/3rds one. I do now know how the CV 12/5.6 will work on it, but I intend to find out.

    The final part of this equation is Raw processing—and (again, from what I can read on the net) Iridient Technology's processor does a stellar job on X-Trans files, and it's $75. We all know that the jpegs out of the Fujis are great, but a particular image might need more PP, so this looks like an excellent place to start.

    I bought the X-E1 rather than the X-E2, simply because for what I do, any AF difference will not be significant. The video differences are irrelevant, as I have this aspect covered with the GX7. And I intend to use just the one lens on the X-E1 for now. I will probably sell one of the GX-7 bodies (I have another Panny body that does excellent video, the $175 GX-1, and do not need three video cameras). And I will cull the Panny lens collection too, as well as the too-heavy but brilliant OM 50/2 macro. For example, I have the also excellent OM 50/3,5 macro, so will sell the Panny Leica 45/2.8 macro; with the OMs, I have never used it. I will keep the 20/1.7, as it's a stellar lens for stills and/or video, for my use (I alway shoot second system sound).

    No, the X-E1, at today's disposable prices, seems like the best stills camera for me, with the 41mm EFOV native lens. We'll see.

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    Well, the decision's made. I'm going for an XE-1, which on balance is probably the best option for me.

    A MFT like the GX7 is still very appealing and perhaps one day I will have both but my conscience probably won't let me (she wants a dishwasher...).

    So glad to have benefited from all of your help, it's been great to benefit from your thoughts.

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    woodworth, I will be very interested in your responses to this body and although this is an 'outdated, superseded' body, perhaps we can share setup tips, etc; mine will arrive within ten days or so, I think. Make sure yours is updated to the latest firmware (XF lenses need to be updated after the body, I understand.

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