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    It's the IBIS Jono you Wassack

    Hi there

    I went out today with the E-M1 and the Leica R 80-200; it was supposed to be a sort of farewell; I didn't bother with focus peaking or zooming in, or any of that stuff. Just focused using the EVF and snapped away. I was really pleased with the results, almost all in focus even though most were shot at F4, and I really like shooting at 400mm. The IBIS is just so good! I even got some decent shots of a deer rushing through some corn with manual focus.

    Doesn't seem like farewell at all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi there

    I went out today with the E-M1 and the Leica R 80-200; it was supposed to be a sort of farewell; I didn't bother with focus peaking or zooming in, or any of that stuff. Just focused using the EVF and snapped away. I was really pleased with the results, almost all in focus even though most were shot at F4, and I really like shooting at 400mm. The IBIS is just so good! I even got some decent shots of a deer rushing through some corn with manual focus.

    Doesn't seem like farewell at all!

    Very nice. I agree, for me IBIS is wonderful and really not negotiable. It provides a stable image to judge framing and focusing before one completely presses down the shutter button and takes an image. I find it essential for AF of tele lenses and manual focus of all lenses and handheld shooting.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Doesn't seem like farewell at all!
    Of course not ! Imagine wielding a FF 400 mm lens (or longer) on your M or A7 while walking down beer lane
    Really, I couldn't believe my eyes when I read you seriously considered ditching m43.

    Anyways, welcome back to the club

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    Jono, I learned that lesson some time ago and have kept all my Leica lenses. While not ideal on A7 and E-M1, the R lenses are wonderful and very consistent performers. I am not getting rid of mine.

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    Ocean,

    Think it was supposed to be a farewell to the EM-1...so he could buy another bit of bling for the A7....

    Maybe not now that Queen ISIS (IBIS) has spoken....

    Or sell the EM-1 and buy a Gitzo GT 5542LOS Tripod.

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    Hi Bob
    I think I'll sell it all and buy a chameleon.

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    Hi Bob
    I think I'll sell it all and buy a chameleon.
    Jono,

    Usually a couple hanging around the outside of the house...make me an offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi there

    I went out today with the E-M1 and the Leica R 80-200; it was supposed to be a sort of farewell; I didn't bother with focus peaking or zooming in, or any of that stuff. Just focused using the EVF and snapped away. I was really pleased with the results, almost all in focus even though most were shot at F4, and I really like shooting at 400mm. The IBIS is just so good! I even got some decent shots of a deer rushing through some corn with manual focus.

    Doesn't seem like farewell at all!
    I've been waiting for this thread to appear!

    I've read with interest your "thinking out loud" on the sony and fuji forums. Great dialogue between your id and ego. I've tried both systems since friends have them and while they both are capable of producing fantastic results, neither one has the combination of handling, lenses and most of all stabilization that the e-m1 has.

    Once they invent the 4/3 sensor that competes with the larger sensors in DR and high iso I suppose the relentless search for the perfect camera is over for all of us. The truth is you are a better photographer than me so any system you use sings quite as different melody than the one I am using, but the e-m1 has the right balance . . .right now . . . for me
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    Re: It's the IBIS Jono you Wasack

    Tricky question, init? I have the same problem with m4/3 vs. Nikon 35mm, but with me, the question is if I should sell the Nikons to finance the PanaLeica 42.5mm or simply live on porridge for a month or two. I don't use the D700 much except the F6, but when I do, it becomes obvious that it offers options that m4/3 doesn't. I suppose there's a time of day for everything, and I'm not even talking "horses for courses". I keep coming back to the restaurant analogy: No food wreck would go to the same restaurant eating the same food every day, even if the taste is great, the price reasonable and the nutrition value perfectly balanced.

    Keeping stuff that makes you happy makes sense to me
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    ... on the other hand... who needs 35mm anyway

    GH3 with Zuiko 75mm f/1.8 @ f/2.2

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    I saw one of the online bloggers singing the praises of his Nikon D800 as being "the one that always brings home the bacon." That's the way I feel about the E-M1 ... If I'm counting on getting a shot no matter what, it's the camera I grab.

    It's the only camera I will use a 400mm EFOV lens hand held with. Easily and consistently.

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    I always felt that leaving m43 is the wrong decision. Tried hard for myself to take that decision and left 43 and m43 several times in the past. Now I will no longer do that but just keep the EM1 and most of my wonderful m43 glass.

    Only lens which might go is the 75-300 II as it delivers no consistent results on the longer end. Waiting for Oly to bring a 50-200 m43 equivalent, or buy the 43 version with adapter.

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    Re: It's the IBIS Jono you Wasack

    Hi Jono

    I also wondered when you would stop flirting with your various "mistresses" and return to the E-M1!

    You see some of us have very long memories! I remember how you just hated colour rendering of the Fuji X trans sensor; I seem to recall that cyan blue skies were your particular 'bete noir'.

    The speed of AF on the A7R is enough to put me off and that's before I even get to the bulk and weight of decent lenses and adaptors for it! Didn't you also dally with the NEX series?

    The change to v1.3 firmware has made an excellent system even better IMHO.

    Welcome back Jono and oh, by the way the LF year is just starting!!!!
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    Re: It's the IBIS Jono you Wasack

    Hi everyone. Well it's definitely hat eating time
    Here are some snaps from yesterday with the 80-200 elmarit



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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi everyone. Well it's definitely hat eating time
    Here are some snaps from yesterday with the 80-200 elmarit
    Lovely series, Jono.
    Regarding hats, isn't that a staple food ...

    All the very best.
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    Lovely series, Jono.
    Regarding hats, isn't that a staple food ...

    All the very best.
    certainly is, I have developed a very nice line of smoked salmon hats

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    Re: It's the IBIS Jono you Wasack

    I have left 4/3 world 3 times but always seem to come back. The EM-1 seems to be a keeper (at least for now).

    Welcome back!

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    No fancy telephoto but a snap from my 12-40 while vacationing.

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    There is something about how these Leica R lenses render that just does it right, Jono. They work extremely well on both the A7 and the E-M1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    certainly is, I have developed a very nice line of smoked salmon hats
    ...and for dessert, Sir, chef would like to recommend a nice big 4/3rds portion of humble pie...

    (P.s. and it's wassock, you pillock)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gandolfi View Post
    ...and for dessert, Sir, chef would like to recommend a nice big 4/3rds portion of humble pie...

    (P.s. and it's wassock, you pillock)
    The Humble Pie will be made of meringue. Actually I thought this message was humble pie in itself!

    I realised it was Wassack after I posted it, but didn't think anyone would be unkind enough to mention it :P

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    Yes, Jono, you're right. I just get carried away sometimes with these funny old words!
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    Re: It's the IBIS Jono you Wassack

    So, Jono, I'm assuming that this means the image stabilization is such a compelling feature of the OMD that you're keeping it. Let me ask you: between the E-M1 and the XT1, which viewfinder do you personally find 'better' (in whatever way you personally would measure that? I ask because I'm a rangefinder guy at heart, which is why I was drawn to the X Pro-1 (can't afford a Leica) and look to hear your thoughts on the two EVFs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by white.elephant View Post
    So, Jono, I'm assuming that this means the image stabilization is such a compelling feature of the OMD that you're keeping it. Let me ask you: between the E-M1 and the XT1, which viewfinder do you personally find 'better' (in whatever way you personally would measure that? I ask because I'm a rangefinder guy at heart, which is why I was drawn to the X Pro-1 (can't afford a Leica) and look to hear your thoughts on the two EVFs.
    My biased opinion, having worked a little with an XT1, and a lot with both the A7 and E-M1, is that the E-M1 is tops, the A7 next, and the XT1 next. The E-M1's auto brightness adaptation and excellent optics puts it on top.

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    Re: It's the IBIS Jono

    After researching Waszak (a Dutch laundry bag??), I'm still not sure what mental qualities it celebrates...

    But, Jono, I hope you didn't sacrifice your APO Elmarit-R 180 to fund your fling with the A7r and A7. After musing about IBIS over coffee, I took mine out this morning on the E-M1, with the following quick results:









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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    My biased opinion, having worked a little with an XT1, and a lot with both the A7 and E-M1, is that the E-M1 is tops, the A7 next, and the XT1 next. The E-M1's auto brightness adaptation and excellent optics puts it on top.

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    Re: It's the IBIS Jono you Wassack

    I thought it was only fair to revisit my GAS article - you'll see that there is another conclusion!

    GAS & Mirrorless - revisited with humble pie

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post

    I like this picture so much, it is the antithesis of the obvious 'photogenic' subject.
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    Re: It's the IBIS Jono you Wasack

    Welcome back Jono !

    I love your iris : the light, the colors and the composition.. (The Nice and simple geometric shapes)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi everyone. Well it's definitely hat eating time
    Here are some snaps from yesterday with the 80-200 elmarit

    by JonathanSlack, on Flickr
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I thought it was only fair to revisit my GAS article - you'll see that there is another conclusion!

    GAS & Mirrorless - revisited with humble pie
    At the moment, my system cannot read your site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    At the moment, my system cannot read your site.

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    HI Godfrey - timing out again?
    dammit - I wish I knew the answer to this, it's really irritating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI Godfrey - timing out again?
    dammit - I wish I knew the answer to this, it's really irritating.
    The access proceeds up to a point, then stops ... after a few moments, I get an error stating "cannot read data". It's pretty weird, haven't seen this behavior before.

    Beyond the IBIS ... I used the E-M1 to capture a batch of Polaroids last evening. Forgot to set a fixed ISO, so most of them were captured at ISO 3200-6400 (dim lightbox setup). Image quality is amazingly good!

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    Godfrey, I get the same behavior looking at Jono's site from Verizon based internet services, but from AT&T it works fine.

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    Re: It's the IBIS Jono you Wassack

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I thought it was only fair to revisit my GAS article - you'll see that there is another conclusion!

    GAS & Mirrorless - revisited with humble pie

    I have no problem accessing the website. Thanks.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Website access and respons is fine here, but then again I'm just on the other side of the puddle !

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I thought it was only fair to revisit my GAS article - you'll see that there is another conclusion!

    GAS & Mirrorless - revisited with humble pie
    It could well be I'm mixing things up: but isn't this called a "Crazy Ivan" manoeuvre ...

    :dh2:

    All the very best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    Godfrey, I get the same behavior looking at Jono's site from Verizon based internet services, but from AT&T it works fine.

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    My home system is on ATT, as are phone and ipad. Now here at my office, it pops up instantly.
    Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I thought it was only fair to revisit my GAS article - you'll see that there is another conclusion!

    GAS & Mirrorless - revisited with humble pie
    Ok ...

    As I've said before, the E-M1 is the basis of my "standard kit". The A7 is for full frame joy with Leica R and my favorite Nikkor lenses, and a small selection of my favorite M lenses.

    At this point, much as I like the camera, I don't really need the M9 and the other 2/3 of the lenses I bought for it. So it goes ... Soon as I get back from my trip, things go to Ebay. I'll keep my hand into Leica M with either the M4-2 or CL and two/three lenses ... that will also work with the A7.

    That'll do it for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    It could well be I'm mixing things up: but isn't this called a "Crazy Ivan" manoeuvre ...

    :dh2:

    All the very best.
    It could certainly be that Bart (although unintentionally of course) - I guess though that you have me as Uncle Sam rather than Crazy Ivor?
    Although I fear that I'm not really going to be able to sink Ivan even if I'm in the 60 degree baffle zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    It could certainly be that Bart (although unintentionally of course) - I guess though that you have me as Uncle Sam rather than Crazy Ivor?
    Although I fear that I'm not really going to be able to sink Ivan even if I'm in the 60 degree baffle zone.
    Hmm. And I was just watching a documentary on "The End of Red October" last night ...

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    Re: It's the IBIS Jono you Wassack

    As tempting as some of the bigger-sensor offerings are, I have stayed with micro-4/3 as my "everything else" camera (a Leica M8 being my main squeeze). Micro-4/3 is not the very best at everything, but it seems to have the best *combination* of everything. With the IBIS as the thing that always keeps me from straying if I have doubts about some other area every once in a while. Not to mention the size/weight thing. Jono, I think we're thinking much the same thing.

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    Re: It's the IBIS Jono you Wassack

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I thought it was only fair to revisit my GAS article - you'll see that there is another conclusion!

    GAS & Mirrorless - revisited with humble pie
    Jono, i just read this article. Well written, and very well thought out. It was a great help in my thinking about these issues.
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    Re: It's the IBIS Jono you Wassack

    I am glad that there are other people who can not make up their mind which camera system is the right one - not just me.

    In the end I think you made a wise decision - specially for someone also owning a Leica M system. I think the m43 with its fast AF and Tele-options complements the M-system in a nice way.
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    Re: It's the IBIS Jono you Wassack

    Well, I too am wrestling with which mirrorless camera system to invest in after selling my Nikon DSLR gear. I grabbed a second hand Panasonic G2 a year or so ago and have had great fun and some decent results with some old lenses (Pentax Takumar in particular), but since having my third child, who is just over a year old now, I am reassessing my options as manual focusing on the G2 isn't conducive to fast shooting, but I persevere.

    If I go M43 then I'd probably look at staying native with the lenses, but then I'd really like to see what some of these older manual focus lenses can produce on a more modern sensor than that which appears in the G2.

    I also think 1300 body only in the UK for the Olympus E-M1 is just too much, when the A7 can be had for 1150 and the Fuji X-T1 is 1050.

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    Agreed 100% on m43 and M system complementing each other. And I forgot to say before, excellent article, Jono. It's nice to see a person's thought process in choosing what camera is the best for them, and you've conveyed that very well.
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    Re: It's the IBIS Jono you Wassack

    Hi Jono

    I have only just read your article:

    [B][I]GAS & Mirrorless - revisited with humble pie.

    I did enjoy reading your honest views.....it is always a very tough decision to make.

    However, I would add a caveat as I am aware that there are folk who read and hang on every word on forums; particularly when they are trying to make up their mind on a new camera. It is particularly important for those buying a camera on a slim budget as they may be unable to swop and change systems quite as readily.

    I liked your summary as it detailed the reasons for YOUR final decisions.

    My caveat is that might not be right for someone else who may spend much of their photography time shooting totally different subjects, such as sport, nature, macro, travel, etc.

    Finally, I do believe that one needs to spend a lot of time with a camera to really know it inside and out. It has to become an extension to mind eye and fingers!
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    The IBIS is one of the reason's for my keeping the EM5. However I also keep it (permanently) in the truck behind the seat as an emergency backup. This weekend was it's 1st outing for a while as I assiduously packed a small bag of lenses for my A7r but then drove out to my haunts without the camera

    It only gets to play with the superb 12-60 4/3 lens but that's a fine range for me.
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    Re: It's the IBIS Jono you Wassack

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Klein View Post
    Agreed 100% on m43 and M system complementing each other. And I forgot to say before, excellent article, Jono. It's nice to see a person's thought process in choosing what camera is the best for them, and you've conveyed that very well.
    Thank you Peter
    I'm not sure how helpful it is generally. I was really hoping to convey the anguish I fell in making a decision!

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    Let's wait for 24th of April ... perhaps the T comes with some kind of IBIS
    Then this circus starts all over again or as my former colleague used to say: "The dream is always the same" ...

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    Re: It's the IBIS Jono you Wassack

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Klein View Post
    Agreed 100% on m43 and M system complementing each other. And I forgot to say before, excellent article, Jono. It's nice to see a person's thought process in choosing what camera is the best for them, and you've conveyed that very well.
    +1. Excellent and interesting article by Jono.
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