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  • Get the G1 now and get busy taking pictures!

    24 44.44%
  • Wait a month or so for the video-enabled G1

    5 9.26%
  • Wait for PMA (March 3-5) and see what Olympus does

    20 37.04%
  • Wait at least six months for a M43 camera with better manual focusing

    4 7.41%
  • Stay away from M43; it's going to be the digital version of APS

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Thread: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

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    Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Okay, the Lumix G1 has been around long enough for some of you to know your way around it, and there are other rumors swirling about other Micro Four Thirds offerings in the future.

    So here's where I am: I'm interested in this format, especially in the prospect of using legacy manual-focus lenses (M-mounts, Nikon F mount, etc.) via adapters. Should I spring for the G1 so I can start taking pictures, or wait for something better to come along?

    Making the question more complicated: The price of the G1 is about all I'd want to spend, so future Micro Four Thirds cameras would be out of reach for me if they're significantly more expensive. And if the dollar keeps getting weaker vs. the yen (deliberate US Government policy to bolster exports) I might get priced out of the market entirely if I wait too long.

    So, should I jump now, or should I wait? And if I wait, for how long?

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    maybe you shouLd asK your mother?

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Thank you, Mister Troll...

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by Y.B.Hudson III View Post
    maybe you shouLd asK your mother?
    that was special. You must have stayed up all night to come up with that insult.

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    there is always something better in the pipeline.

    this is a great camera and if something better comes along then itwill make a great backup.

    joe

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    [email protected] feeD t' addiction... Nocti...G1.


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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Since you're asking for advice, I say buy it now. That's what I did, and I definitely wanted the video version. But I have a feeling that the G-HD is not going to be available for at Least a few more months, even assuming it is intro'd at PMA. And I wouldn't bet on Olympus actually putting anything on dealer shelves even as soon as that.

    -And since you mention your price limit, I'd bet hard cash that anything newer will be a lot more expensive than a G1, and will likely still be so through all of '09.

    Personally, I waited a LONG time for the G1 (or something I had in mind, like it), and got tired of waiting. I like it, I'm pissed at it for some shortcomings, but think some fast primes will ease the pain.
    And I have a real hunch that the system will be grown a Lot faster than some expect -not these years between roadmaps, a la 4/3.

    Buy it, it's $5-600 delivered on eBay!

    edit: Hey Y.B.III : do something for humanity, and gimme that Nocti!
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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Wait a month and buy my G1 for a song, I'll be upgrading to the G1HD

    p.s. dpreview have already seen the G1HD in action...
    Jump to dpreview page which includes the following quote.
    "Another point worth mentioning is the the lack of a video recording capability. There are no apparent technical reasons for leaving out something you get in a fifty buck point and shoot compact, and we've no doubt it will hurt the G1's sales; particularly since Panasonic has already shown prototypes of a 'G1 HD' version of the camera that does offer video capture."

    By the way, the reviewer is completely missing the enormity of the G1HD being able to capture video... it means that for the first time ever, an electronic shutter has been created for a 4/3rds sensor. This could lead to some revolutionary imaging possibilities for 4/3rds cams with the professional range of ZD optics. HDR/superresolution/noise reduction/split beam prism multi sensor cams spring to mind.

    Kind Regards

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post

    By the way, the reviewer is completely missing the enormity of the G1HD being able to capture video... it means that for the first time ever, an electronic shutter has been created for a 4/3rds sensor. This could lead to some revolutionary imaging possibilities for 4/3rds cams with the professional range of ZD optics. HDR/superresolution/noise reduction/split beam prism multi sensor cams spring to mind.

    Kind Regards

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    The ability to shoot video using the EVF instead of the VCD will be something that places this camera in a class by itself. The big question is also what Olympus is planning along these lines. I wouldn't mind a half-size micro E-3 with HD video

    That must be the E-oneandahalf

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by psurfer View Post
    edit: Hey Y.B.III : do something for humanity, and gimme that Nocti!
    No offense, Peter, that drunken monk, YBH III really makes the Noctilux sing.
    If I am not mistaken, some clueless thief stole his precious Noct 50/1.2 (the very first version) and he has replaced it with his current one.

    Ranger, the substance of the message is the same as what back alley said.

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Why don't you simply make yourself happy?
    No amount of advice from me or anybody else will settle your question.
    I think what you need to decide is:
    Do I need a new camera?
    In the current offering from all vendors is there something that suits my style and purpose?
    Do I have any affinity for any particular brand (lenses, or whatever)?
    Do I have the budget? (note that yours truly often skips this step)
    Do I feel good about the particular selection?
    than go for it.
    New stuff with marginal improvements comes along every so often. If I were to wait for what I really want, then I would not have any cameras at all :-)
    -bob

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Why don't you simply make yourself happy?
    Feeling like I made an informed decision makes me happy. Feeling like I jumped too soon, or missed the boat, makes me unhappy.

    I figured we had enough active G1 users here that I could get a good read on how many people are really satisfied with it, vs. how many wish they'd waited until (for example) something with a better way of handling manual focusing came along.

    So far, results are mixed...

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    That is cool too.
    I just have a real tough time predicting the future :-)
    -bob

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    There will always be something better, brighter, louder, faster coming out in the future. When the HD version comes out, then you'll be waiting for the next rumored version. In the mean time, you'll be missing a lot of great shooting.

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Hey I am sitting here ready to hit the buy button myself so I can have it for Moab. It's today or nothing for me to order. It's 7 am here and need to make the same decision. I still need to sell my 520 kit BUT hey you know my motto. Buy and burn in hell tomorrow. LOL

    I am a impatient man when it comes to buying something.

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    I figured we had enough active G1 users here that I could get a good read on how many people are really satisfied with it, vs. how many wish they'd waited until (for example) something with a better way of handling manual focusing came along.

    So far, results are mixed...
    Speaking for myself, this is the first camera that I bought that is this "current".

    The only reason for that was to use a whole bunch of lenses with short flange focus which could not be used on any other cameras I had (I exchanged my Epson R-D1s for a spectrometer, so no digital range finder either). I am glad that no one was serious enough to buy my 50/0.95 that I tried to sell (since I had no digital camera at that time for it). I continue to wait for the M8 prices to reach the figure that I would pay it. It could be a long wait. I am very patient though.

    The only shortcoming that I find with the G1 is the complete lack of UV response or IR response (why I still would like an M8). If you don't care about that and really want a camera that is good in accurate color renditions, this is it.

    Sapphire screen or a camera that is reliable- your choice.

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Vivek , Terry has two of them that she is selling for about the best prices that i ever seen. They both are in excellent condition.
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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Thanks, Guy. I know. I already communicated with Terry about it as well.

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    I am waiting, but not for any of the reasons in your poll. I personally don't find the lens choices to be compelling yet. The alternative lens solutions, via adapter, are fine for subjects that are quite still, but having to do button presses to bring up the focus magnification, manually stop down, and click, is not my idea of a good long-term solution. Also, there is nothing fast enough under 25mm.

    I know that the 14-45 kit zoom is excellent, certainly worth having, but it won't cover the majority of my needs. It's too slow, and I just don't like using zooms very much.

    When the Panasonic 20/1.7 is released, provided that it is not a dud, I will be buying into the Micro 4/3 system. If a better body comes out by then, great. If not, then I will be happy to buy a G1.

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    Feeling like I made an informed decision makes me happy. Feeling like I jumped too soon, or missed the boat, makes me unhappy.

    I figured we had enough active G1 users here that I could get a good read on how many people are really satisfied with it, vs. how many wish they'd waited until (for example) something with a better way of handling manual focusing came along.

    So far, results are mixed...
    Hmm - I make a habit of NOT revisiting purchasing decisions - saves me from a lot of grief.

    One thing I would say - you will not get a better way of handling manual focus - it's brilliant - only thing needed is a 'one button' press to magnify and back, there's no guarantee that will be in a new model - and it's quite likely to come as a firmware update anyway.

    Another thing about manual focusing - in most circumstances you don't need to magnify - it's really easy to see with the EVF or LCD anyway.

    So,
    1. if manual focusing is your main concern - buy it.
    2. if you want a second class video camera as well - wait
    3. if you want something smaller (but probably with not as good handling) wait for the Olympus

    Easy

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amin View Post
    Also, there is nothing fast enough under 25mm.
    Hi Amin, How fast a wide lens do you use on your D700 and how often do you use it wide open (and is that AF)? FWIW, I have used a 28/1.9 (Vivitar Series 1) on my F2, mostly wide open, for head/shlrds candid shots.

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Hi Amin

    Popular misconceptions:
    Quote Originally Posted by Amin View Post
    I am waiting, but not for any of the reasons in your poll. I personally don't find the lens choices to be compelling yet. The alternative lens solutions, via adapter, are fine for subjects that are quite still, but having to do button presses to bring up the focus magnification, manually stop down, and click, is not my idea of a good long-term solution. Also, there is nothing fast enough under 25mm.
    1. in most circumstances the focusing is fine without the focus magnification (much better than manual focusing on a 4:3 slr for instance).
    2. you don't have to stop down manually - obviously you choose the aperture on the lens, but after that you just take pictures - the EVF is quite up to use at f10 in decent light and the exposure is calculated on the available light. It is exactly like using a manual lens on an SLR. What's better is you have a 'realtime' depth of preview as well.

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    You can even preview the effect of shutter speed. Think about that one. No SLR does that.
    V/r John

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Amin

    Popular misconceptions:

    1. in most circumstances the focusing is fine without the focus magnification (much better than manual focusing on a 4:3 slr for instance).
    2. you don't have to stop down manually - obviously you choose the aperture on the lens, but after that you just take pictures - the EVF is quite up to use at f10 in decent light and the exposure is calculated on the available light. It is exactly like using a manual lens on an SLR. What's better is you have a 'realtime' depth of preview as well.
    Hi Jono,

    I can appreciate your points, but I didn't have any misconception. For me, magnification makes a big difference and I would not like to be without it. Without magnification, it is a lot like focusing with a full frame DSLR, which I don't find so easy. Second, focusing after stopping down is not as accurate or precise as focusing before stopping down. The DOF is deeper when stopped down, so it's harder to put the focus point in the center of the DOF.

    It really comes down to preferences. I'd rather not buy a what I know for me is going to be a short term, stop gap solution, so I will be waiting for the Panasonic 20/1.7.

    All best,
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    Last edited by Amin; 21st January 2009 at 06:39.

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    In my case, having a body that could use lenses from all three of my other systems (Leica M, Nikon RF, and Nikon F) was the key.

    Yep, it would be cool to have an Olympus version with in-body VR and perhaps a few other minor improvements, and the pending HD would be nice too (if, as Brian indicates might happen, it brings still frame improvements along with it.)

    But that's no reason to wait, I'll just sell the G1 if I need to at that point. It won't lose all that much value, heck my M8 depreciated more than the entire cost of the G1, I'd have to pay someone to take the G1 to have the same result.

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Hey I am sitting here ready to hit the buy button myself so I can have it for Moab. It's today or nothing for me to order. It's 7 am here and need to make the same decision. I still need to sell my 520 kit BUT hey you know my motto. Buy and burn in hell tomorrow. LOL

    I am a impatient man when it comes to buying something.

    I almost have to stop reading my own forum.
    My G1 arrives today, making history as the first new camera model I will receive before you Guy! ;>) best....Peter

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    Damn a day late and a dollar short. LOL
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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    Feeling like I made an informed decision makes me happy. Feeling like I jumped too soon, or missed the boat, makes me unhappy.

    I figured we had enough active G1 users here that I could get a good read on how many people are really satisfied with it, vs. how many wish they'd waited until (for example) something with a better way of handling manual focusing came along.

    So far, results are mixed...
    It is evident that we are past the early adopter stage and into the gee what should I do stage... The camera is excellent as is. Waiting for the next best thing only keeps you waiting. Manual focusing for me is very easy and fast. Not much slower than auto focus. But I don't shoot formula one or rug rats running around the house or yard.
    Last edited by wolverine; 21st January 2009 at 18:45.

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    And another dilemma to face will be the likely omission of the movable LCD on the 1st Olympus mdl (assuming they offer the svelte RF-like one 1st). That's what I would expect- prob better VF (of whatever sort), but fixed LCD.

    Darn. I'm Very into the movable LCD.

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Wolverine, the minor frustration I have is that MF could be even faster and more fluid with a tweak to the user interface... then you may just be able to shoot something that moves

    Kind Regards

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by psurfer View Post
    And another dilemma to face will be the likely omission of the movable LCD on the 1st Olympus mdl (assuming they offer the svelte RF-like one 1st). That's what I would expect- prob better VF (of whatever sort), but fixed LCD.

    Darn. I'm Very into the movable LCD.
    Well, I've read that the actual m4/3rds offering by Olympus will be very different to the tobacco tin concept model... we can only wait and see.

    I'd like to see someone go another step, to a wifi connected remote lcd... this could also be a remote control/configuration device. I'd love to see an ipod interface :



    Very much doubt it will happen - but it's a shame.

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    That's just what we need! An iPhone with a m4/3s mount on the back. (or maybe only a 8mm flange distance? m4/3s just missed out on the interchangeable lens camera phone market!)
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    LOL, Charles - here's the front view :



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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    Well, I'm quite satisfied with my G1, and nothing in the pipeline seems more interesting (neither the HD mockup or the Altoids Tin Olympus interest me in the least as of yet) so I'm pretty happy I bought it when I did.

    I am looking forward to more lenses. Particularly the 7-14 and 20/1.7, but I'd also like to see what Oly brings to the table in the way of m43 lenses (or m43-compatible updates for current lenses)

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    I would be wary of buying the "first of a kind" which is what the G1 is. There are some issues with it that need addressing and hopefully Panasonic will heed the criticisms as they work on it's successor. Due to the rapid advances in technology and the never-ending introduction of new, better cameras I don't think you'll have long to wait for a G2 or whatever moniker they give it.

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    Re: Micro Four Thirds: Buy Now, or Wait?

    pip22, good advice - but you can be sure that any major problems would have been spotted by us early adopters by now... and Panasonic have been listening to feedback and suggestions for improvements by free firmware upgrade too.

    I have no reservations in recommending the G1 to anyone wanting the best digital body available for use with legacy lenses.

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