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    Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Actually this lens (and the 1.4TC) would be the reason I would go back to m43 again. This would be a hell of a combo on an EM1 for wildlife and safari.

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Me 2. I put in my order on the day they were announced. Hope to have it by December.

    Incidentally, Capture One has lens profiles for the Olympus M.Zuiko lenses and some other good 4/3 lenses like the PanaLeica 25. When you open a raw file in the crop tool, it sets a crop boundary which indicates the point near the edges where software adjustments for distortion start. There are controls which let you see the uncorrected image as well. My 12-40/2.8 lens does use some software correction below about 20 mm actual focal length. It also depends on aperture, but I haven't tried to see how big the effects are. I would expect some corrections are left to software on the 40-150 as well, perhaps at the wide end of its range. On the in-camera JPEGs and the files rendered in Olympus software, I don't expect to see any acknowledgement of this, and I'll bet the effect on sharpness will be undetectable (as it is in COne when I tell it to give me the whole corrected frame).

    There is a signal processing theorem that says if you correctly move around the information in all spatial frequencies up to the Nyquist limit (1/the spacing between the pixels in the image) and only make errors at higher frequencies then information in the image which wasn't real to begin with (aliased bits) may come out different, but the true image can be reconstructed perfectly. So I am curious, but not losing any sleep over the trend towards software corrections to make lighter, less expensive lenses possible.

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Actually this lens (and the 1.4TC) would be the reason I would go back to m43 again. This would be a hell of a combo on an EM1 for wildlife and safari.

    Peter

    I'll wait for the 300/4.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    I'll wait for the 300/4.
    While the 4/300 will no doubt become a great lens, I must say that I more prefer the versatility of a 2.8/80-300 or 4/112-420 (with converter) 35 FF equivalent zoom.

    My most used lens so far has been the 80-400 Nikon for wildlife, but the Oly would be better I am sure. And MUCH lighter! And 16MP of the EM1 are enough, but if you add the potential of future m43 sensors this becomes the system to go!

    Which does not mean that adding the 4/300 (4/600 in 35 terms) later would not be a great option
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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Thank you for that link Jorgen
    I've been pushed over the edge, and have just placed an order for it . . . hopefully it'll be here by Christmas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Thank you for that link Jorgen
    I've been pushed over the edge, and have just placed an order for it . . . hopefully it'll be here by Christmas!
    I am currently negotiating with my photo dealer to take back my Nikon gear in exchange for the EM1 + 2.8/12-40 and 2.8/40-150 with TC1.4.

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    While the 4/300 will no doubt become a great lens, I must say that I more prefer the versatility of a 2.8/80-300 or 4/112-420 (with converter) 35 FF equivalent zoom.

    My most used lens so far has been the 80-400 Nikon for wildlife, but the Oly would be better I am sure. And MUCH lighter! And 16MP of the EM1 are enough, but if you add the potential of future m43 sensors this becomes the system to go!

    Which does not mean that adding the 4/300 (4/600 in 35 terms) later would not be a great option

    Thanks. Well the E-M1 with a 300 mm lens resolves only 3 or 4 % less detail than a D800E with a 400 mm lens. However, the FF sensor has a much larger field of view. So I will continue to keep and use both systems.

    I am not planning to buy one of those 500 or 600 mm Nikkor lenses as I still can easily handhold the 80-400 II lens on the D800E. The 300/4 with 1.4x converter on the E-M1 however would give me extra reach provided it can still autofocus sufficiently fast.

    My 2 cents.
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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Thanks. Well the E-M1 with a 300 mm lens resolves only 3 or 4 % more detail than a D800E with a 400 mm lens. However, the FF sensor has a much larger field of view. So I will continue to keep and use both systems.

    I am not planning to buy one of those 500 or 600 mm Nikkor lenses as I still can easily handhold the 80-400 II lens on the D800E. The 300/4 with 1.4x converter on the E-M1 however would give me extra reach provided it can still autofocus sufficiently fast.

    My 2 cents.
    Completely agree on the 500 or 600 Nikkor lenses. Far too expensive and far too heavy.

    the 4/300 on EM1 in combination with the TC1.4 will be definitely a solution made in heaven in order to replace even FF Nikon. At least for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Thank you for that link Jorgen
    I've been pushed over the edge, and have just placed an order for it . . . hopefully it'll be here by Christmas!
    I hope to have it a day earlier ...


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    This one on order and the future 300/4.0 and 7-14/2.8 are high on my wish list.

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    This one on order and the future 300/4.0 and 7-14/2.8 are high on my wish list.

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    Mine too Bart
    After my little Sony A7s interlude I'm firmly back in 43 for my 'non M' system.

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Mine too Bart
    After my little Sony A7s interlude I'm firmly back in 43 for my 'non M' system.
    Jono,

    what was it that made you leave A7s (A7 series) again? Any link to another thread where you outline?

    Many thanks

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Hi Peter
    I didn't think anyone would be that interested in my reasons, but if you are, it boiled down to two things . . .
    1. 12mp wasn't enough to crop (and especially shooting events etc. I like to use a fixed lens and crop). Also foliage in landscapes wasn't good enough.
    2. I would use it instead of my M system, and I just prefer the M system.

    is all

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Peter
    I didn't think anyone would be that interested in my reasons, but if you are, it boiled down to two things . . .
    1. 12mp wasn't enough to crop (and especially shooting events etc. I like to use a fixed lens and crop). Also foliage in landscapes wasn't good enough.
    2. I would use it instead of my M system, and I just prefer the M system.

    is all
    Makes lot of sense,

    many thanks for sharing

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Thanks. Well the E-M1 with a 300 mm lens resolves only 3 or 4 % more detail than a D800E with a 400 mm lens. However, the FF sensor has a much larger field of view. So I will continue to keep and use both systems.

    I am not planning to buy one of those 500 or 600 mm Nikkor lenses as I still can easily handhold the 80-400 II lens on the D800E. The 300/4 with 1.4x converter on the E-M1 however would give me extra reach provided it can still autofocus sufficiently fast.

    My 2 cents.
    A very relevant comparison would be the D810 in crop mode with the 70-200 f/2.8, the Nikon combo being more than twice a expensive, twice as large and twice as heavy. What the m4/3 combo cannot do is produce 36MP.

    I'm still keeping my Nikon gear for whenever I need an optical viewfinder, very high ISO and/or extremely shallow DOF, but then I don't have much need for a large amount of megapixels.

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I've been pushed over the edge, and have just placed an order for it . . . !
    Hmmmmm ...... I'm very attracted by the idea of this lens too, but justification at this time is difficult for me (I'm standing back at a safe-ish distance from a couple of edges at the moment).

    I'm not even good at committing to a camera bag (as Godfrey will confirm )
    and I'll only pull the trigger (I HATE that phrase) if I know that I'm going to stay with Olympus micro 4/3, and I'm SO tempted by the idea of old fashioned dials on the X-T1 .

    ETA. And if/when I get this lens, I'm probably going to have to buy the grip for my EM-1
    and go through the agony of choosing another slightly larger bag than my Think Tank MM30i
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elderly View Post
    I'm not even good at committing to a camera bag (as Godfrey will confirm )
    and I'll only pull the trigger (I HATE that phrase) if I know that I'm going to stay with Olympus micro 4/3, and I'm SO tempted by the idea of old fashioned dials on the X-T1 .
    I feel your pain - I really do.
    Just don't forget the in body image stabilisation and the lovely lenses!

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I feel your pain - I really do.
    Just don't forget the in body image stabilisation and the lovely lenses!
    Not to speak about the 4/3 lenses that show rather decent AF on the E-M1, some of which are made by Japanese lens gods and now available for very, very modest amounts

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Mmm, it really is a big sucker of a lens ...

    Check out 'The Camera Store' video: Olympus 40-150mm F2.8 vs. Panasonic 35-100mm F2.8 Shoot-out

    Still, it's looking fab

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    I finally decided to go for it and placed my order online a few days ago. I sold my 50-200, my PL 12-35 f2.8, a couple of Voigtlander lenses and I'm selling the E-P5 and a couple of other native Oly lenses. The PL 35-100 f2.8 will probably be next.

    The O-M1 is really quite good and the 12-40 f2.8 is very, very good. I expect the 40-150 f2.8 to be even better. I can't wait..... Now if only my friend would quit showing me Leica M's for sale....
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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    What will be pretty interesting is that it focuses as close as 70 cm.
    And that for a '300 mm' lens ...🔬

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Much as I like the PL lenses (I've owned the PL25f1.4, 12-35 f2.8, 35-100 f2.8, 100-300, 14-140, 20f1.7 and more, I was blown away by the 12-40 f2.8. When I read that the 40-150 f2.8 is so good, I will be trilled to have it, and I don't think I'll miss the Pany lenses.
    The 25f1.4 was superbly sharp and rendered beautiful pictures, but it did not seem to get out of my bag too much... The 20f1.7, for all the hype, was a disappointment for me. It would just not autofocus worth a damn in my E-M5. The other Pany lenses were very good and I really enjoyed them. I would never have thought to get rid of them until I got the E-M1 with the 12-40f2.8.

    Based on my experience with the E-M1 and the 12-40, I can say that the 40-150 will almost round off my M43 system completely . I will try to get my hands on the 1.4 TC as soon as I can and might try to get the 7-14 lens when it appears. In the meantime, I still use the Olympus 9-18 ED 4/3 lens with the adapter. If I really need a longer reach, I will try to find a manual tele.

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    I have already pre-ordered mine! Due in November in the UK.
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    I am close to pull the trigger ....

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Peter
    I didn't think anyone would be that interested in my reasons, but if you are, it boiled down to two things . . .
    1. 12mp wasn't enough to crop (and especially shooting events etc. I like to use a fixed lens and crop). Also foliage in landscapes wasn't good enough.
    Jono, do you think that 16mp is enough to crop, while 12mp was not? I agree it is more pixels, but not that many. This being said, it might be enough to make a difference.
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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    The lens looks great and I did break down and pre-order it. However I wish I could have my cake too... more megapixels, etc...
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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Quote Originally Posted by JMaher View Post
    The lens looks great and I did break down and pre-order it. However I wish I could have my cake too... more megapixels, etc...
    I am convinced more MP will come already next year - I guess the new EM5? And maybe a year later the EM2 (EM3)?

    24MP with same DR and high ISO performance as current EM1 would be all I would ever wish for! But even 20MP would be sufficient I think.
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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Quote Originally Posted by bcf View Post
    Jono, do you think that 16mp is enough to crop, while 12mp was not? I agree it is more pixels, but not that many. This being said, it might be enough to make a difference.
    HI Bernard
    I rather like 24mp as a 'perfect' compromise between usability and croppability . . . .but the 12mp problem was in conjunction with all the inherent disadvantages of full frame - bigger kit - much bigger lenses (and not as good as the recent 43 lenses).

    So - I can live with 16mp, but I'd like 24. Yes - I think it's just enough to make a difference (when combined with all the other advantages).

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI Bernard
    I rather like 24mp as a 'perfect' compromise between usability and croppability . . . .but the 12mp problem was in conjunction with all the inherent disadvantages of full frame - bigger kit - much bigger lenses (and not as good as the recent 43 lenses).

    So - I can live with 16mp, but I'd like 24. Yes - I think it's just enough to make a difference (when combined with all the other advantages).
    Thanks Jono. Makes sense!
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    Just received notice from Olympus NL - lens will be available starting December ...

    :sleep006: :sleep006: :sleep006:

    The good news is that it will be this year ...
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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    To all who want to know in this m43 forum and thread:

    Today I sold all my Nikon gear (D800E and bunch of good glass) in order to make the hopefully final jump into mirror less! I am getting the EM1 kit next week plus the 1.8/75 and ordered the 2.8/40-150 including TC1.4. Actually this lens was the main initiator for this move.

    In parallel I am working with the wonderful Fuji XT1 (I love the files from this camera) but it is a totally different beast than the EM1, especial WRT the lenses. I intend to use it more with high speed primes like the 1.4/23 and the 1.2/56 which are both outstanding and almost as good as Leica glass (if not better in some regards) - I know I might be killed for this opinion .....

    Anyway I am now fully on mirror less - I did think very long about that move, but finally I almost never used the D800E and its 36MP (was in most cases too much) and in many occasions the lenses combined with my not so careful photography style (I like to shoot fast) did not deliver the real goods of this high MP count sensor. Maybe also an IBIS would have helped here, but as we all know this will not happen with Nikon DSLRs. Maybe in a future mirror less FF Nikon system? So I am confident I made the right decision and will not regret this in future.

    Cannot wait to put the 2.8/40-150 on my EM1 - hopefully before December this year
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    FWIW, looking for something smaller for travel and to keep up with my son's birding photography. This system and lens really appeals. First one I've seen in a long time that seems to hit the sweet spots.
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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    You know what: living with that 40-150/2.8 is easy-peasy, but I'm wondering if I would be able to live with that 300/2.8 ...



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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    I definitely could!

    But how about this one? Canon Unveils $80k Lens with a Whopping 50-1000mm Zoom Range
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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    I definitely could!

    But how about this one? Canon Unveils $80k Lens with a Whopping 50-1000mm Zoom Range
    It's a whopper no doubt, but will it fit in my bag ?
    Not to mention will $80k fit in my wallet ...

    Meanwhile raving reviews all over the net regarding the 2.8/40-150.
    Oly seem to be taken by surprise of the high demand.

    Kind regards.
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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    There is a new firmware out (2.1) for the EM-1 which claims to improve the focus performance for this lens ........ or so I read on the internet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elderly View Post
    There is a new firmware out (2.1) for the EM-1 which claims to improve the focus performance for this lens ........ or so I read on the internet!
    Is it the official release ? There's is a so called firmware leak around.
    Interestingly, reading the blog it seems possible to load the firmware by SD-card.
    Not going to try this myself, so I'm looking for a volunteer aka Cavia Porcellus ...

    All the very best.
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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Answering my own question:

    NEW
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    Firmware update Version 2.1
    * Precision of AF when M.ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 40-150mm F2.8 PRO lens is mounted has been improved.
    - When updating the firmware from Version 1.0/1.1/1.3/1.4 to Version 2.1, the camera settings other than the AF focus adjustments are reset.
    - When updating the firmware from 2.0, the camera settings are maintained.
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    Loaded 2.1, sooo .... I guess I'm able to live with this lens, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Loaded 2.1, sooo .... I guess I'm able to live with this lens, no?

    With best regards, K-H.

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    BTW, weren't they supposed to be shipping about now? Has anyone seen one in the wild?

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    In Austria they will ship in December, with TC1.4 included a few weeks later.

    Upgraded to 2.1 already, no problems found!

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    I saw one today, at my pusher's. There was a whole delegation from Olympus there too. Maybe they are hand delivering each copy

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    This will be tight for me. I ordered early and from Olympus, but it has to follow a torturous path to reach me in Montreal in early December. Getting it directly in Israel would probably take an extra year.

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    Re: Yes, I think I would be able to live with this lens

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    In Austria they will ship in December, with TC1.4 included a few weeks later.
    Mmm, that's a pity ... anyway, there is a € 149 - kind of discount - when ordering the lens together with the converter.
    Should be worth waiting for a little longer ...

    Let's hope the weather is lousy ...


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    One of the rumor sites said there would be a discount if you ordered the lens and 1.4X converter together, but when I put my order in there was no such deal in the $$ market. I even asked the support people and they said they had never heard of it. Is it different if you purchase in EUR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Thank you for that link Jorgen
    I've been pushed over the edge, and have just placed an order for it . . . hopefully it'll be here by Christmas!
    A hard decision... as I already have the 35-100mm 2.8 Lumix, an extra 40mm for the price difference makes me hold back. If money was absolutely no object, it would be a nice lens, albeit only for the E-M1, not so good on the GX7 or GH4. The TC would be nice, but for now I will stay with the slower 100-300mm.

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