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    Arrow Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Not sure what to think of this "40 mpixel" rumour.
    I found the 36 mpixel images of my (stolen) A7r already quite huge, but those images were 'full frame'.
    Anyway, exciting times ahead, I'd say

    Perhaps you've seen it already, but you can read about it here at 4/3rumors:
    (FT5) E-M5 successor has sensor shift to create up to 40 megapixel images on the fly!

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Sounds fascinating, and a break from the present 16MP ceiling.

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Not just the pixel count but one could anticipate increased DR and less noise. It would also make use of the shake mechanism to a higher level.
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    increased DR and less noise

    Which would matter to me. I already have enough pixels to make them invisible at any size paper I can afford to print on.

    But less noise at higher ISO would really count.

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Not particular keen on a pixel count that high, but I'd be happy with improved DR and above all less noise ...
    What's wrong with say a 12 mpixel sensor and shifting that to 30 mpixel ?
    Anyway, I suppose they know what they're doing ...

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    The real question for me is how Olympus manages to reconcile the different and simultaneous modes of the voice coil sensor shift system.

    In one shot, how well will this system compensate for shake, whilst at the same time doing its pixel-shifting magic*?

    Or does the camera need to be bolted down to perform resolution enhancement? I壇 be happy enough with that.

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    * Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Bart,

    Thanks. They say it's the follow on to the E-M5.
    Why not to the E-M1 - unless that could be achieved with a firmware update.
    We'll see if it materializes and how it performs.

    At the moment I am more interested in the A7R II, or whatever they will call it.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Nobody else prefer less noise than more pixels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Bart,

    Thanks. They say it's the follow on to the E-M5.
    Why not to the E-M1 - unless that could be achieved with a firmware update.
    We'll see if it materializes and how it performs.

    At the moment I am more interested in the A7R II, or whatever they will call it.
    1. we have to see if the rumour is true
    2. how well it performs for EM-5 mkII
    3. if it is suitable/desirable for the EM-1 mkII


    Kind regards.
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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    I pretty much believe that this rumor is true. While it is exciting to be able to shoot something like 40MP with a m43 camera I would rather have preferred to get a newer sensor with say 20-22MP and same high ISO and DR capabilities as current EM1. Plus improved PDAF with cross sensor types.

    Just getting 40MP with same old sensor does not sound too exciting .... well I know I am impatient.

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    Mmm, the same old sensor indeed - better be patient then and wait for the E-M1 mkII, Peter.
    After all, patience is a virtue ...

    (FT4) rumor correction: E-M5II has 登lder E-M5 sensor without PDAF.
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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Nah - not interested: still, starting to develop an itch ...

    Olympus E-M5II Camera Name Officially Registered in Taiwan

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    For the first time, I am interested in an Olympus m43rds!

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Pictures of the rumored camera:

    E-M5II info

    The day is near. Looking forward to it!
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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Did you see that LCD rear panel ?
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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Did you see that LCD rear panel ?
    G1 alike! My favorite!

    I am already sold based solely on that!

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Also the position of the on-off switch is as E-M1. Really stupid idea.
    However, I hope they keep the other user interface features of the E-M1.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Also the position of the on-off switch is as E-M1. Really stupid idea.
    However, I hope they keep the other user interface features of the E-M1.
    Well the position of the on-off switch is obviously matter of taste as I like it over most of all the other different positions methods not only from Olympus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    G1 alike! My favorite!

    I am already sold based solely on that!
    Admittedly, I was quite fond of the G1's swivel panel, but also found it rather delicate and fragile and always feared it would break off any moment.
    Too me the E-M1 solution seems more robust although less flexible.

    Like with the new Sony A7 II-series I'm holding off for now and biding my time to see what more is to come in the next 1 or 2 months or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Also the position of the on-off switch is as E-M1. Really stupid idea.
    However, I hope they keep the other user interface features of the E-M1.
    Hi there K-H,

    I found the E-M1's on/off switch position also a little quirky at first, but got used to it and basically prefer it over the odd placement of the original E-M5 switch.
    That really was a stupid idea ! What were they thinking ...

    All the very best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Well the position of the on-off switch is obviously matter of taste as I like it over most of all the other different positions methods not only from Olympus
    can't agree more, Peter
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    This is *the* camera for 40 megapixel selfies!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Admittedly, I was quite fond of the G1's swivel panel, but also found it rather delicate and fragile and always feared it would break off any moment.
    Too me the E-M1 solution seems more robust although less flexible.

    Like with the new Sony A7 II-series I'm holding off for now and biding my time to see what more is to come in the next 1 or 2 months or so.

    Kind regards.
    Hi Bart, Having taken one (G1) apart, i can tell you that it is quite robust.

    I gave the A7II a pass even before it went on sale. It is A9 or A7sII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Hi there K-H,

    I found the E-M1's on/off switch position also a little quirky at first, but got used to it and basically prefer it over the odd placement of the original E-M5 switch.
    That really was a stupid idea ! What were they thinking ...

    All the very best.

    Hi Bart,

    I agree. The original E-M5 switch was very odd.
    I still use both my E-M5 and E-M1, one with 12-40, the other with 40-150 lens.
    The E-M1 is one of my favorite cameras, in part due to its generally excellent user interface
    - apart from the placement of the on-off switch.
    It forces me to use a second hand to operate that switch.
    But, I can take pictures with just one hand.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Hi Bart, Having taken one (G1) apart, i can tell you that it is quite robust.

    I gave the A7II a pass even before it went on sale. It is A9 or A7sII.
    Vivek, I hear you, but I'm not settling for anything less than an A9r or an A7rII ...



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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Looks nice, although it looks like they removed the built-in flash from the E-M10. I'm definitely curious about the 40MP capability.

    Totally agree on the on/off switch--I like it to be accessible with my right hand in order to save battery. Seems like Olympus has packed so many custom buttons on the E-M5II, they had to move it to the left (better position than before, I suppose).

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Vivek, I hear you, but I'm not settling for anything less than an A9r or an A7rII ...



    Kind regards.
    I understand your position, Bart. But, I would look for more DR in a future cam. With that in mind, as I mentioned above, I am thinking of a few practical uses for the EM-5II. I don't have any system lenses left, except a zoom and the 20/1.7. There are a plethora of tiny adapted lenses though.

    I did not notice the on/off switch until recently. What a place!
    (Not a deal breaker for me)

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    G1 alike! My favorite!

    I am already sold based solely on that!
    Before getting the E-P1.. etc, the E-M5 and A7r, I thought fully articulated was the best. But since I'm using those flip-up displays, I've come to like them. I'm only uncomfortable when taking shots in portrait modes and most of the time under these situations one can just use the EVF. I've come to think that the flip up display is easier to use in most situations, because a) you don't have that screen at the side. It won't mix with the neck strap, b) it is inline with the lens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Did you see that LCD rear panel ?
    More than the LCD (I've got accustomed to the flip-up ones), my eyes are attracted to the EVF : it seems bigger than that of the E-M5 ? Hopefully it is the same one as on the E-M1 and VF4. That would be a good update IMO.
    It seems like a good idea to have moved the PASM wheel to the left side of the body. And the two most used wheel seem better positioned than on the E-M5. But I'm not so sure about the AEL/AF position : it seems a little too far to the left, so I don't think it will fall easily under one's thumb.

    I'm happy that they didn't increase the body size too much. From what you can see here, at least : Dicahub
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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    That is for you. I am just putting up with the tilt LCD as there is no choice.

    I even wanted to put the G1's mechanism for my NEX-7. The cable from NEX is short so, that was not possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Before getting the E-P1.. etc, the E-M5 and A7r, I thought fully articulated was the best. But since I'm using those flip-up displays, I've come to like them. I'm only uncomfortable when taking shots in portrait modes and most of the time under these situations one can just use the EVF. I've come to think that the flip up display is easier to use in most situations, because a) you don't have that screen at the side. It won't mix with the neck strap, b) it is inline with the lens.

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    Looks nice, although it looks like they removed the built-in flash from the E-M10. I'm definitely curious about the 40MP capability.

    Totally agree on the on/off switch--I like it to be accessible with my right hand in order to save battery. Seems like Olympus has packed so many custom buttons on the E-M5II, they had to move it to the left (better position than before, I suppose).
    The number of times I'm activating the on/off switch makes its position rather irrelevant to me. Much more important is where they stick the AFL/AEL button.
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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Before getting the E-P1.. etc, the E-M5 and A7r, I thought fully articulated was the best. But since I'm using those flip-up displays, I've come to like them. I'm only uncomfortable when taking shots in portrait modes and most of the time under these situations one can just use the EVF. I've come to think that the flip up display is easier to use in most situations, because a) you don't have that screen at the side. It won't mix with the neck strap, b) it is inline with the lens.
    I'm right with you here - I prefer flip up - I get vertigo with a completely articulated display . . . actually I agree about all your posts - I quite like the on/off switch on the left, but I want to be able to get to the AEL with my thumb.

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    i personally cannot wait for this one. my only complain for m43 has been image quality for stills. product shots and telephoto landscape would really benefit since the m43 system has two superb macro lenses and really affordable super telephoto options.

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    The plot thickens ...

    E-M5 II with HLD6p and HLD8g grip and a new FL-LM3 flash

    source: 43rumors.com

    Last edited by Knorp; 17th January 2015 at 11:25.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    The plot thickens ...

    E-M5 II with HLD6p and HLD8g grip and a new FL-LM3 flash/

    source: 43rumors.com

    Wow, this camera looks just sexy - I am sorry but this is my first reaction! Besides that I think I need to have one
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    not digging the grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    not digging the grip.
    Don't know about digging, but that grip does look peculiar indeed.
    It remains to be seen (and tested) if it handles well.

    Kind regards.
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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    The "Panasonic style" LCD has one big advantage: The screen can be turned in towards the camera. That gives better protection, and for me, who rarely used the LCD other than for shots taken from weird angles, it meant one less disturbance. All the information is available in the viewfinder anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Don't no about digging, but that grip does look peculiar indeed.
    It remains to be seen (and tested) if it handles well.

    Kind regards.
    I actually 'dig it', the smaller one.

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    The 40 MP mode could make for a very nice killer small product / studio shooting camera. This doesn't benefit the photography I do but it's nice to have.

    What I *really want* is an electronic shutter option.

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    The 40 MP mode could make for a very nice killer small product / studio shooting camera.
    That is not clear. I suspect (and hope) that it isn't like the Hassy stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    That is not clear. I suspect (and hope) that it isn't like the Hassy stuff.
    Well, I sincerely doubt the shutter will be able to shift 8 times (if the rumor got that right), to do a full exposure that will be clear of artifacts for moving subjects. Think about continuous shooting as it is - what is it? 6/8 FPS? That's not enough to freeze subjects.

    And they need a way to "reset" the sensor per exposure so they do need either some crazy fast electronic shutter refresh (not happening) or use the mechanical one which sets you back to 6/8 fps.

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    8 is the rumored maximum. If I am looking for low noise and better DR in a 16MP cam, I can live with fewer frames.

    Let us wait what comes out instead attempting a speculative debate about vaporware.

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    The 40 MP mode could make for a very nice killer small product / studio shooting camera. This doesn't benefit the photography I do but it's nice to have.
    What I *really want* is an electronic shutter option.
    - Ricardo
    If you are already using an E-M1 or E-M5 for studio strobe work, then you should be fine with the 40MP version. Personally, I struggle with my E-M1 with studio strobes in the admittedly brief amount of experience with it in the studio.

    When I need to use manual settings with F8 and ISO 200 at 1/200 to suit my local studio, (set up for a Nikon with optical VF!) the EVF on my E-M1goes very dark. I have just discovered that the EVF can be set to allow live view by menu-cogwheel, displ. set to live view boost1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    8 is the rumored maximum. If I am looking for low noise and better DR in a 16MP cam, I can live with fewer frames.

    Let us wait what comes out instead attempting a speculative debate about vaporware.
    I don't think we need to wait to make some commonsense discussion. I mean, we are after all discussing a rumor, no? You are already as suing this would help noise and DR. Noise I can see, not sure about DR.

    Less than 8 frames you still have the same problem- how you deal with subject movement. Even if that's a limitation, I still think the camera would make for a very small kit for a very nice studio/product photography.

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Ricardo, You convinced me with your logic and coherence.

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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    I think that the 40MP process in the upcoming EM5 is for sure a great thing.

    But - as there is the need for taking 8 frames there is some longer time involved than for taking only 1 frame. So even if this happens within the exposure interval with (fast) moving subjects the effect of higher resolution could be cancelled by motion unsharpness .... but, but, but we will see.

    Definitely for "static" subjects it is a big plus now for m43, so anyway a welcome new feature
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    Not many shown here look like "static" subjects in a studio:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-t...yt-cl=84411374
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Not many shown here look like "static" subjects in a studio:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-t...yt-cl=84411374
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    Re: Soon 40 mpixel オ43 images ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I think that the 40MP process in the upcoming EM5 is for sure a great thing.

    But - as there is the need for taking 8 frames there is some longer time involved than for taking only 1 frame. So even if this happens within the exposure interval with (fast) moving subjects the effect of higher resolution could be cancelled by motion unsharpness .... but, but, but we will see.

    Definitely for "static" subjects it is a big plus now for m43, so anyway a welcome new feature
    not neccesarily static. i mean, the 5 axi sensor stablization system must fuctions on a millisecond basis. This rumored 40mp capability is based on the same sensor shift technology, so it would take only a small fraction of a second to complete 8 shots in good light, no?
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