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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    Will it sync (with a flash) @ 1/32000s? otherwise, I do not see any point.

    If anyone has used such high speeds for photography, i would like to see some samples.

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    Sounds like the E-M1ii will come with similar sensor tech from the E-M5ii to allow for complete electronic shutter. One has to wonder then, will the E-M1ii retain the on sensor PDAF sensor array from the E-M1, and also will there be a way to implement cross type phase sensors to allow for both vertical and horizontal focus lock.

    1/32000 shutter speed sounds like a nice feature, but if the rolling shutter effect is not compensated some how, having such an amazing shutter speed for capturing fast moving subjects would be essentially useless.

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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Will it sync (with a flash) @ 1/32000s? otherwise, I do not see any point.

    If anyone has used such high speeds for photography, i would like to see some samples.
    I think that the main goal of that speed is to allow HiRes with a speed up to 1/60s (aka handheld) : there is an interview of an Olympus official who said that was their goal. 1/32000 may just be a by product of that.
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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    Well, finally also in the EM1 - will be a welcome update!

    Although Fuji supports this in the XT1 already - and it was made possible via a FW upgrade

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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    would love a silent shutter feature on the E-M1! but not sure if the sensor is physically capable of silent shutter

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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    Still a long wait or so it seems: another source based on the original 43rumors rumour states it may be announced as 'early' as 2016 ...

    First Olympus E-M1 mark II rumors

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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    Hi Bart, 1/16000 s of the E-M5 Mark II can be a lot of fun as well! :-)
    But, I have to admit one can still overexpose a shot with a really fast lens. :-(
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    Would be awesome if a high res multi shot can be captured in 1/60 second!! One has to wonder though if the effect of noise reduction from image stacking can compensate for the requirement of a higher ISO for faster shutter speeds.
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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Will it sync (with a flash) @ 1/32000s? otherwise, I do not see any point.

    If anyone has used such high speeds for photography, i would like to see some samples.
    Nice for shooting very fast lenses wide open in bright light.

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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    can olympus flash sync up to 1/32k shutter speeds?

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    talking about the E-M1 ii... this is a million dollar question.

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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    The big question is how fast can they make the electronic shutter scan down the entire image? The GM1 has an electronic shutter of 1/16000 but it is not really suitable for high-speed photography or flash because the scanning process takes 1/10s and induces rolling shutter artifacts. Even the GH4 only can scan its shutter at around 1/40s.

    It seems to me the biggest limitation preventing a hand-held 40MP mode is this electronic shutter scan speed. To reach a 1/60s handheld 40MP mode, you have to:

    1) Expose 8 shots during that duration & read out the exposure.
    2) Move the sensor each time.

    I have no idea how long #2 takes, but the MINIMUM for #1 is basically a 1/500s readout from the sensor which is more than 10x faster than the GH4. But who knows, maybe Olympus can do it.
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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    [QUOTE=ggibson;631626]The big question is how fast can they make the electronic shutter scan down the entire image? The GM1 has an electronic shutter of 1/16000 but it is not really suitable for high-speed photography or flash because the scanning process takes 1/10s and induces rolling shutter artifacts. Even the GH4 only can scan its shutter at around 1/40s/QUOTE]

    Interesting - does anyone know how fast the shuttter of the E-M5ii scans?

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    not sure, but from what I read from a DPreview thread, they reckon it can only sync 1/25 with the electronic shutter.

    When Global shutter technology is somehow enabled in CMOS sensors, we will be seeing substantially higher flash sync speeds.

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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    Remember the hints that the 8-shot HD dance could in principle be completed in 1/60 sec? That would require that a single shot be scanned out in 1/500 sec. Howzat for a flash synch speed? But we'll probably have to wait for the E-M1 Viii for all of that to come to pass.

    scott

    GGibson already made the same point. For the E-M5 Vii, the HD shots take "about a second" so let's say it is at least 1/2 sec. That's 1/10 to 1/20 sec for each readout. Probably same as the GM1 and that's no surprise since the chip comes from the same supplier
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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    Scott, you're right on. I saw this test of the E-M5ii's sensor readout speed: 1/20 sec.

    Micro 4/3rds Photography: Olympus E-M5 II shutters

    Also, if the rumors are true that the E-M1ii will have a 20MP Sony sensor, that's even more data to read off the sensor. Looks like we have a ways to go before hand-held mode will be available.
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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Still a long wait or so it seems: another source based on the original 43rumors rumour states it may be announced as 'early' as 2016 ...

    First Olympus E-M1 mark II rumors

    :sleep006:
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    :sleep006:

    Why an EM-1 MKII in 2016 surprises you? Olympus does not update their top tier line fast. That's how they did it with 4/3rds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    Scott, you're right on. I saw this test of the E-M5ii's sensor readout speed: 1/20 sec.

    Micro 4/3rds Photography: Olympus E-M5 II shutters

    Also, if the rumors are true that the E-M1ii will have a 20MP Sony sensor, that's even more data to read off the sensor. Looks like we have a ways to go before hand-held mode will be available.
    1/20 of a sec sounds about right given how easy I can make the background go diagonal when panning for a moving subject vs the Nikon 1 J4 which is 1/80.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    Scott, you're right on. I saw this test of the E-M5ii's sensor readout speed: 1/20 sec.

    Micro 4/3rds Photography: Olympus E-M5 II shutters

    Also, if the rumors are true that the E-M1ii will have a 20MP Sony sensor, that's even more data to read off the sensor. Looks like we have a ways to go before hand-held mode will be available.
    The 20 MP m/43rds sensor specs point to it having a faster read it seems, than the current one (27 fps).

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    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    Why an EM-1 MKII in 2016 surprises you? Olympus does not update their top tier line fast. That's how they did it with 4/3rds.

    - Ricardo
    I was chatting with an Olympus rep and a photo store manager recently and they were describing to me the restrictions that were put in place to prevent leaks about forthcoming products that were being shown way in advance to relevant parties.

    I did ask him about an EM1-Mk2, and I did believe his answer of
    "Nothing this year".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elderly View Post
    I was chatting with an Olympus rep and a photo store manager recently and they were describing to me the restrictions that were put in place to prevent leaks about forthcoming products that were being shown way in advance to relevant parties.

    I did ask him about an EM1-Mk2, and I did believe his answer of
    "Nothing this year".
    HI There Ian
    From what I can see, and of course, only that; it seems to me that Reps are the very last people to know about product development - their loyalties are very much towards their customers, so it's much safer to keep them in the dark until the publicity material is printed. . . . .

    Of course, Olympus could be different, but I doubt it. Of course, I've no idea whether there will be an E-M1ii this year or not, but I wonder if he does either

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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    Who knows Jono????? Only time will tell .......

    But when I got the "Nothing this year" answer, I responded that of course I understood
    that they "Couldn't possibly comment".

    However they said that in the past they had been shown (current) equipment well in advance of release date with extreme measures taken to ensure no actual details could be leaked by them, but this time they had not been shown anything.

    As somebody who believes that we are so misinformed by so many vested interests about so many things, that it's almost not worth having an opinion on anything unless it's first hand, I must be getting nave in my old age .

    Are you enjoying beta testing the EM1 iiiii ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elderly View Post
    Are you enjoying beta testing the EM1 iiiii ?
    Hi Ian I am indeed enjoying testing it. It's a fabulous camera! But actually, I only test cameras for someone else

    Right now, the partnership of the E-M1 and the E-M5ii does a grand job, and they're a joy to use (must take advantage of that 40mp stuff . . .but I haven't yet!).

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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    So it seems Olympus has a backup plan ... sort off
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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    Not sure what to think of these rumors.

    If the PK2016 release would be really with a 18MP sensor, then this should be better able to play a lot of crazy things (global shutter, extreme DR and extreme good high ISO performance), or why would they need some 9 months longer for this sensor compared to the 20MP Sony sensor rumored for the CES16 release in the beginning of 2016???

    And why would a 20MP sensor be a backup plan for a 18MP sensor?

    Add to this that the increase from the current 16MP to the rumored holy grail 18MP of next year PK16 release is only very lame. So it would need lot of other benefits (as I listed some above) to make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Not sure what to think of these rumors.

    If the PK2016 release would be really with a 18MP sensor, then this should be better able to play a lot of crazy things (global shutter, extreme DR and extreme good high ISO performance), or why would they need some 9 months longer for this sensor compared to the 20MP Sony sensor rumored for the CES16 release in the beginning of 2016???

    And why would a 20MP sensor be a backup plan for a 18MP sensor?

    Add to this that the increase from the current 16MP to the rumored holy grail 18MP of next year PK16 release is only very lame. So it would need lot of other benefits (as I listed some above) to make sense.

    Some crazy rumours, Peter.
    But it's all good fun

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    There are a lot of rumors! I just wonder, now that Sony is a share holder in the Olympus Corp., what kind of new sensor tech the E-M1 II will actually get from Sony?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zensu View Post
    There are a lot of rumors! I just wonder, now that Sony is a share holder in the Olympus Corp., what kind of new sensor tech the E-M1 II will actually get from Sony?
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    Whatever the new sensor - I'm sure it will be excellent, but of course I'm hoping for something a bit revolutionary. A low-noise 20MP BSI sensor at least ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Whatever the new sensor - I'm sure it will be excellent, but of course I'm hoping for something a bit revolutionary. A low-noise 20MP BSI sensor at least ...
    A low noise, high DR 24MP sensor at least
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    A low noise, high DR 24MP sensor at least
    I won't say 'no' ...
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    Re: EM1-II: 1/32.000 - now we're talking ...

    24 MP for an MFT sensor equals about 57 MP for an FF sensor resolution wise.

    PS: Correction. I should have written:

    24 MP for an APS-C sensor equals about 57 MP for an FF sensor resolution wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    24 MP for an MFT sensor equals about 57 MP for an FF sensor resolution wise.
    I would say this should not be a problem given what modern sensor technology can offer

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I would say this should not be a problem given what modern sensor technology can offer
    Still, I'm opting for a low-noise sensor over a high-res sensor.
    16MP is fine for my type of m43 shooting, if I want more I grab the Sony ...
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