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    Lumix GX8

    The new GX8 camera will be announced aftertomorrow...on July 16!
    Has 4K and LX100 alike design. But it also has on sensor image stabilization
    and some other new features....

    Panasonic will announce the new GX8 Micro Four Thirds camera on
    Thursday July 16 at 5-6am London time. You can follow the live blogging
    here on 43rumors. So far we heard the camera design is close to the
    LX100 and obviously records 4K too. Sources said this is a camera
    packing some brand new features and not a small evolution!

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    Re: Lumix GX8

    – 20 Megapixel sensor
    – Dual IS (on sensor and on lens working together)
    – 2.36 million dot organic EL tilting EVF
    – Dust and water resistant
    – magnesium alloy body
    – 4K Photo ˇ 4K Video
    – Free Angle 1.04 million dot organic EL monitor
    – Wi-Fi, NFC, QR code connection
    – Continuous shooting 8 frames / sec in the AF tracking
    – Body color is black and silver

    http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-first-im...nasonic-fz300/





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    Re: Lumix GX8

    This looks like an extremely cool camera. I'm very interested.

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    This is going to be a pretty perfect camera from the specs and finally 20MP !!!! I was hoping for this resolution in m43 land for long time, as it gives some more room to crop or just shoot 3:2 without sacrificing resolution too much. Perfect!!!

    And overall the camera just looks great

    This GX8 might make me get one together with the 1.2 42.5 Nocticron

    I do hope that Olympus will come with a similar sensor in their next EM1 incarnation

    KUDOS - finally m43 is getting there!!!
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    Re: Lumix GX8

    Neat looking camera, but hmmmm it's quite a bit bigger than the GX7. I guess they figure they have enough "small" cameras with the GF7 and GM5.

    The features look impressive though! Finally a new m4/3 sensor, and if the dual image stabilization works as well as Olympus' models with 4K this will be a hot contender. With those specs, I'm expecting a >$1K price though.

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    Re: Lumix GX8

    It will also be interesting to see if it can take the Speed Booster XL 0.64x. In that case, it's the perfect supplement/backup for my D810.

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    Re: Lumix GX8

    Looks for all the world like a downsized L1 to me. Nice shape... :-)

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    Re: Lumix GX8

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Looks for all the world like a downsized L1 to me. Nice shape... :-)

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    Exactly!

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    Re: Lumix GX8

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    This is going to be a pretty perfect camera from the specs and finally 20MP !!!! I was hoping for this resolution in m43 land for long time, as it gives some more room to crop or just shoot 3:2 without sacrificing resolution too much. Perfect!!!

    And overall the camera just looks great

    This GX8 might make me get one together with the 1.2 42.5 Nocticron

    I do hope that Olympus will come with a similar sensor in their next EM1 incarnation

    KUDOS - finally m43 is getting there!!!
    After a year with the very capable but not so svelte Canon 6D I'm actually thinking about switching out for this camera (if I read leaked specs so far correctly) with a Nocticron and Leica 15mm f1.7.

    Another camera I'm interested in is the Leica Q for its simplicity and IQ but the announcement in recent days about the possibility of this camera being on the horizon in what appears to be some major evolutionary design outside and in (the solid grip a la Sony, FULLY ARTICULATING LCD (YAY!) and solid body inside coupled with an internal stabilization and a can-this-really-be-happening 20 MP sensor finally inside and lets hope noise is well controlled by the sensor architecture) make for a compelling argument for this design over a Leica along with some decent savings to boot. Still the Q is full frame, AA less and the Leica PP color is quite lovely from the examples I've seen (all regrettable in light room I suppose!)
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    Re: Lumix GX8



    from 43rumors


    I got some ulterior GX8 specs from my sources:
    ISO 100-25,600.
    Electronic shutter 1/16000
    Mechanical shutter 1/8000


    – Newly developed 20.3MP Live MOS sensor
    – Highest sensitivity ISO25600
    – Newly developed Venus Engine
    – 6 control camera shake correction system “Dual IS”
    – Multi-process noise reduction, three-dimensional color control
    – 4K Video ˇ 4K photo (30fps)
    – 4K photo three modes (4K burst, 4K burst start-stop, 4K pre-burst)
    – Large of 2.36 million dot organic EL EVF. Contrast 10000: 1.
    - Magnification 0.77 times
    – The back of the monitor organic EL 104 万 dot.
    -Free Angle
    – Dust and water.
    -The body is rugged magnesium alloy build
    – More easy to hold grip
    – High-speed AF which adopted the DFD.
    - AF speed is 0.07 seconds
    – Continuous shooting of AF tracking 6 frames / sec.
    – Starlight AF corresponding to the darkness of the moonlight of -4EV
    – Improved the stability of the video AF
    – Maximum speed of mechanical shutter is 1/8000 seconds.
    -1/16000 seconds with electronic shutter
    – Silent shooting to use the electronic shutter
    – Synchro speed is 1/250 sec
    – Wi-Fi, NFC, QR code connection
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    After a year with the very capable but not so svelte Canon 6D I'm actually thinking about switching out for this camera (if I read leaked specs so far correctly) with a Nocticron and Leica 15mm f1.7.

    Another camera I'm interested in is the Leica Q for its simplicity and IQ but the announcement in recent days about the possibility of this camera being on the horizon in what appears to be some major evolutionary design outside and in (the solid grip a la Sony, FULLY ARTICULATING LCD (YAY!) and solid body inside coupled with an internal stabilization and a can-this-really-be-happening 20 MP sensor finally inside and lets hope noise is well controlled by the sensor architecture) make for a compelling argument for this design over a Leica along with some decent savings to boot. Still the Q is full frame, AA less and the Leica PP color is quite lovely from the examples I've seen (all regrettable in light room I suppose!)
    After looking for a while into the details of the Leica Q I must say it is VERY tempting. And I do not find the 28 such a limiting lens. But the price is - Leica like - just insane.

    Now here comes the GX8 and if it somehow holds what it promises it should be in combination with the 1.7 15 a pretty nice substitute for the Q. Of course not FF, but on the other hand GX8 with lens should be less than half the price of the Q and you get a full system camera with interchangeable lenses. This new 20MP sensor should bring enough resolution finally to do some decent cropping if needed and if high ISO is good then you get a pretty interesting mini Q for half the price of the Q. I am impatiently waiting
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    Re: Lumix GX8

    Quote Originally Posted by hot View Post


    from 43rumors


    I got some ulterior GX8 specs from my sources:
    ISO 100-25,600.
    Electronic shutter 1/16000
    Mechanical shutter 1/8000


    – Newly developed 20.3MP Live MOS sensor
    – Highest sensitivity ISO25600
    – Newly developed Venus Engine
    – 6 control camera shake correction system “Dual IS”
    – Multi-process noise reduction, three-dimensional color control
    – 4K Video ˇ 4K photo (30fps)
    – 4K photo three modes (4K burst, 4K burst start-stop, 4K pre-burst)
    – Large of 2.36 million dot organic EL EVF. Contrast 10000: 1.
    - Magnification 0.77 times
    – The back of the monitor organic EL 104 万 dot.
    -Free Angle
    – Dust and water.
    -The body is rugged magnesium alloy build
    – More easy to hold grip
    – High-speed AF which adopted the DFD.
    - AF speed is 0.07 seconds
    – Continuous shooting of AF tracking 6 frames / sec.
    – Starlight AF corresponding to the darkness of the moonlight of -4EV
    – Improved the stability of the video AF
    – Maximum speed of mechanical shutter is 1/8000 seconds.
    -1/16000 seconds with electronic shutter
    – Silent shooting to use the electronic shutter
    – Synchro speed is 1/250 sec
    – Wi-Fi, NFC, QR code connection
    This looks indeed really promising, especially if the EVF is really 0.77 times magnification! And overall more optimized layout IMHO.

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    Re: Lumix GX8

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    This looks indeed really promising, especially if the EVF is really 0.77 times magnification! And overall more optimized layout IMHO.
    Peter, one of the things I've been curious about is the GX8's size. Like just how big (or small) IS the camera we're about to find out more about tomorrow (Midnight EST to dovetail with a London announcement). On one above images I noticed that images came courtesy of a website called digicame-info.com . Curious, I went to the site. The site appears to be a well-tapped Japanese site but there were english words in parenthesis that told you which brand they were talking about.

    I found the one for Panasonic (the only one for the moment) and went to the page. There on the bottom of the page laden in Japanese in millimeters were the probably leaked dimensions given as 133.1 x 77.9 x 63.1 mm. Since like typical 'merican dolts I'm still not completely metric in many areas I had Google provide me with a calculator that did the 2.54mm/in division for me and came up with 5.24" x 3.07" x 2.48" -- man this camera is SOLID!

    Vs the GX7: Bigger all around. Wider by more than 3/8" (~0.4"), taller by over 1/4" (~0.3") and due to what appears to be a much beefier grip to accommodate a bigger battery, thicker by a THIRD of an inch (~0.33").

    If you've held one as I have, comparing it to the Leica Q gets even more interesting:

    Vs the Leica Q: It's actually slightly WIDER than the Q by about 0.1"!, Nearly the same height 3.07" vs 3.02" (.05" is close enough for government work!) and thickness is hard to actually say since the posted dimension of the Q INCLUDES the fixed lens. That comes to 3.66" so the difference between the Q and the tip of the lens barrel vs the GX8 with it's Sony FE-like grip coming in at 2.48" is about 1.2" (which makes sense) but like the G1 which I bought when THAT first came out because I noted for the most part the thickness of the rectangular body SANS THE GRIP 'visually' appeared to be about the same thickness as my old M6 (or the M8 at the time) from the overhead shots I've seen on the web (for my money the G1 was vastly more appealing than typical DSLR's at the time and still is in the thickness dept.!) it looks like the GX8, like the GX7 and other similar rectangular ILC's that try to keep the thickness of body at a minimum for better grip and eye-appeal, are probably about the same as well.

    Interesting times. Very promising camera. I can't wait until midnight here in the states.

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    Well I have been totally satisfied with my GX7, it is my go to camera body for day to day use, the E-M1 is the travel kit, but I have a good relationship with the GX7.

    The GX8 will be a worthy successor, but I am concerned about the seeming lack of on board flash... I do not see it, and it looks like it is missing, while I only rarely use the GX7 flash, it is there when you need it for fill flash and indoor... and it works well with no hunting for the tiny included flash like the E-M1 and LX100... just not the same.

    Will have to wait and seen, keep the GX7 for a while to see if it will excel.

    Nice to see stabilization built in to the body again, while it is there in the GX7 and likely helps, sound more capable. The noted swivel EVF is also a great feature for me, low level shots are much easier for a mature age person...

    I also like the internal stitching of the panoramas, that with the tilting EVF make for some great shots.... like this one in Batch in 2013..360 degree from front to back of a church, and then the second shot is the cathedral, note both front and back windows inclusive.



    DMC-GX7, 7 mm (Lumix 7-14), 1/100 at f/4, Exp bias:+1 2/3 EV, ISO 3200, Pattern


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    Re: Lumix GX8

    Perhaps I've misunderstood the specs, but it seems with the GX8 that IBIS is disabled when shooting video. Major omission, if true!!

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    Re: Lumix GX8

    Quote Originally Posted by Matix View Post
    DMC-GX7, 7 mm (Lumix 7-14), 1/100 at f/4, Exp bias:+1 2/3 EV, ISO 3200, Pattern


    Phil
    Hi Phil, this is wonderful - very striking.

    Thanks for sharing

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    Re: Lumix GX8

    Review for those interested (tldr)
    http://photobyrichard.com/reviewbyri...ix-gx8-review/

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    Re: Lumix GX8

    Quote Originally Posted by lambert View Post
    Perhaps I've misunderstood the specs, but it seems with the GX8 that IBIS is disabled when shooting video. Major omission, if true!!
    It's disabled when shooting 4K video, but apparently works with HD (as opposed to with the GX7 where it was disabled for all video). The reason is overheating. When IBIS is active, the sensor will be disconnected from any cooling ribs.

    For some weird reason, it appears to have a 2.5mm microphone jack
    The G7 is still still a valid alternative at two thirds of the price and many of the same features. It doesn't feature a magnesium body, and it's larger, but lighter. It obviously lacks IBIS as well, but it does have a built-in flash... and a 3.5mm mic jack

    Edit: The price difference is almost as big as a speed booster for my Nikkor lenses

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    Smile Re: Lumix GX8

    Folks,

    this is a small celebration here on GetDPI for me, as this is my 3000's post and I am happy it is about some really exciting developments in one of my favorite camera systems - m43!

    So check this one out, the review of the Camera Store

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNIRBGXdxV4

    Jordan really seems to like this camera .... as I do from what I have seen. And even if the increase from 16 to 20MP is not shaking the world, it finally makes my life with m43 much easier. And even if IS is somehow limited in video, it should still be pretty good when using OIS lenses.

    But also check this one out

    Two new lenses and 'Post-Focus' technology on the way from Panasonic: Digital Photography Review

    there is a new 4-6.3/100-400 Leica/Panasonic lens under development, something that ticks more than all my boxes for wildlife. And it is a Leica design, so highest IQ can be expected.

    I am pretty excited about the latest m43 movements, certainly the right direction and I do hope most of you m43 shooters and lovers are excited in a similar way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    It's disabled when shooting 4K video, but apparently works with HD (as opposed to with the GX7 where it was disabled for all video). The reason is overheating. When IBIS is active, the sensor will be disconnected from any cooling ribs.
    Can't see why. The GX8 has a relatively large body given the small sensor. The Sony A7RII sensor is 4x larger and IBIS is active for 4k video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambert View Post
    Can't see why. The GX8 has a relatively large body given the small sensor. The Sony A7RII sensor is 4x larger and IBIS is active for 4k video.
    This is the reason they gave for the GH3 and GH4 not having IBIS and for disabling it with the GX7. Sony may be using patented technology not available to Panasonic.

    I assume also that the Sony only uses part of the sensor for video, the pixels necessary to create 4K files.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Looks for all the world like a downsized L1 to me. Nice shape... :-)

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    so true! it only misses L1's amazing built in flash and shutter dial.
    nonetheless, I am really tempted to get the gx8

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    The 4K shooting modes would make telephoto action shooting much easier when combined with pre-focusing. Just set your focal point, hit record, and then pick the frame that hit focus.

    Not sure if Panasonic's DFD AF tech is fast enough to make pre-focusing obsolete, but at least that sort of technique works with Olympus lenses too.

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    I'm wondering if the increased bulk may help alleviate the shutter bounce/blur situation. if it does I'm tempted, as I've ditched Fuji and looking for a set up for my agency work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    This is the reason they gave for the GH3 and GH4 not having IBIS and for disabling it with the GX7. Sony may be using patented technology not available to Panasonic.

    I assume also that the Sony only uses part of the sensor for video, the pixels necessary to create 4K files.
    I suspect it's old sensor tech in the GX8. The GX8 also uses only part of the sensor for 4K. In fact, the GX8 crop is even greater than that of the GH4 for 4K video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambert View Post
    I suspect it's old sensor tech in the GX8. The GX8 also uses only part of the sensor for 4K. In fact, the GX8 crop is even greater than that of the GH4 for 4K video.
    Seems that the G7 is a stronger proposition for video then:

    - 1.1x crop in 4K, 1.25x with the GX8
    - 3.5mm microphone jack, 2.5mm on the GX8
    - Two thirds of the price
    - No information about compatibility with the 0.64x speed booster yet, but the G6 supported it while the GX7 didn't (the GX1 did)

    If m4/3 were still my main setup, I would buy both, one with the main emphasis on photography and one for video. Total weight is 900g (less than my D810) and they use the same batteries. "Unfortunately", that will not be an option for me. The Nikon can do things that these can't, and monies aren't available in unlimited quantities. I must say that Panasonic has produced two excellent cameras here though, two of the best at this moment in time

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    Looking nice.

    No intent to acquire one at all, however. My camera cup ran over, spilled onto the floor, filled the living room, and flooded the garden some time ago ...

    I think I'll go process some film now. :-)

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    Re: Lumix GX8

    This preview seems rather competently written:

    http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panasonic_Lumix_GX8/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Seems that the G7 is a stronger proposition for video then:

    - 1.1x crop in 4K, 1.25x with the GX8
    Isn't this apparent crop difference because of the difference in pixel density (16 v 20) ...
    Bart ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Isn't this apparent crop difference because of the difference in pixel density (16 v 20) ...
    Should be, yes. I haven't calculated it myself though. For some reason, the GH4 has a crop factor of 1.2x. The Cameralabs preview report tries to explain some of it.

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    Very interesting move by panasonic, it's great to see some independent thinking, making a bigger camera than they needed too... one that may be usable in the real world.

    Is anything known about the new sensor? The few extra pixels isn't a big deal but if it improves on the older sensors dynamic range then it's going to be a big hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    Very interesting move by panasonic, it's great to see some independent thinking, making a bigger camera than they needed too... one that may be usable in the real world.

    Is anything known about the new sensor? The few extra pixels isn't a big deal but if it improves on the older sensors dynamic range then it's going to be a big hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Hi Phil, this is wonderful - very striking.

    Thanks for sharing

    Brian
    Thanks Brian, in my travels I have used the feature many times, with some really interesting results. Using the 7-14 Lumix lens does distort the effect, but I think that just adds to the image.

    Back in the UK in a couple of weeks, may more site to visit and see what I can do.

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    Panasonic Lumix GX8, Lumix G85, Lumix GX7, and various lenses.
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    Re: Lumix GX8

    GX8 JPGs/RAWs/MP4 (3840x2160) ... original size for download ...

    http://www.photographyblog.com/previ...ix_gx8_photos/

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    Re: Lumix GX8

    According to this review it also suffers from Shutter shock. I'm just passing this on as I had hoped the problem had been solved on the GX8
    http://photobyrichard.com/reviewbyri...ix-gx8-review/

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