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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    I have to say that my experience with the Panasonic 100-300 has been excellent and I use it with one of two Olympus E-M1 bodies. It focuses quick and very sharp with the lens IS switched off and IBIS on. That camera/lens combo has earned me many wildlife images accepted for exhibitions around the world. It is neither splash or dustproof but has served me well from South America to the wet areas of Botswana and the deserts of Namibia without any problems whatsoever.

    I did have the mZuiko 75-300 lens which just did not perform in the same way for either focusing accuracy or image quality. My Panasonic DG Leica 45mm prime lens is also a trusted favourite as it makes superb images with a particularly smooth bokeh. It deals with specular highlights particularly well and this can sometimes be a problem when making images of wildlife in their natural environment in the bush. I am hoping that the Panaleica DG 100-400 will be similarly blessed!

    The Premium and Pro lenses from Olympus are usually clinically sharp but tend to make a "colder"image than the Panaleica lenses in my eyes. To put it another way they are more 'artistic' in their rendering. Each has it's own uses as I would use the mZuiko 60mm in preference to the Panaleica 45 macro for fine detail work with insects as an example. They are all just tools for the job in hand and your hands may be quite different!

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Hi Dave, those are terrific shots.


    Dark-Eyed Junco shot from yesterday. (I have to get back into the OM-D menus to get ready for the new tele lenses!)



    E-M1 + 75-300/4.8-6.7 II @ 300 mm

    This is an OOC jpg, slightly modified and reduced in size, but not cropped.
    So a bit more reach would be great.
    The 100-400/4-6.3 mm or 300/4 mm lens with 1.4x extender would achieve just that.
    I like the IQ of the above shot though. :
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    A Panasonic 100-300 lens image on the Olympus E-M1

    The "Thieving Magpie" having stolen a baked potato, proceeds to devour it eagerly! An example from this lens cropped approx. 50%

    Note for Louis, I took this on a local bird watching trip to Brownsea Island last year! Whilst the twitchers are busy spotting birds with their binoculars, I am taking images and spotting them through the viewfinder! I can get to some places that would be closed to me as just a photographer and I am well accepted by the twitchers as I can keep them supplied with images for our website! It's not just birds either, I have gone to places where there are deer, otters and many different types of insects including butterflies. It makes a change from the wildlife of London's streets! As I say , the critters do one of three things, run or fly away, attack you or if you are lucky and patient even pose for you! One thing they never do is attempt to prosecute you!
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    With best regards, K-H.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    A Panasonic 100-300 lens image on the Olympus E-M1

    The "Thieving Magpie" having stolen a baked potato, proceeds to devour it eagerly! An example from this lens cropped approx. 50%

    Note for Louis, I took this on a local bird watching trip to Brownsea Island last year! Whilst the twitchers are busy spotting birds with their binoculars, I am taking images and spotting them through the viewfinder! I can get to some places that would be closed to me as just a photographer and I am well accepted by the twitchers as I can keep them supplied with images for our website! It's not just birds either, I have gone to places where there are deer, otters and many different types of insects including butterflies. It makes a change from the wildlife of London's streets! As I say , the critters do one of three things, run or fly away, attack you or if you are lucky and patient even pose for you! One thing they never do is attempt to prosecute you!
    Great shots, Dave.

    I hope that I'll get to more exotic climes than just Whitechapel with the 100-400 as and when it arrives!

    Interesting what you say about using the lens as a virtual binocular. I sometimes think photographers forget that with long lenses and massive sensors they can see things better than with just binoculars.

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    In the last chart, I assume that the "Group" refers to lens used but there is no definition of which lenses. I presume that Group A refers to the mZuiko Pro lenses updated to latest firmware? If the new Panaleica DG lens is an IS problem on the E-M1 I would prefer to get a GX8 body and trade in one of my E-M1 bodies rather than get the mZuiko 300 Pro lens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    In the last chart, I assume that the "Group" refers to lens used but there is no definition of which lenses. I presume that Group A refers to the mZuiko Pro lenses updated to latest firmware? If the new Panaleica DG lens is an IS problem on the E-M1 I would prefer to get a GX8 body and trade in one of my E-M1 bodies rather than get the mZuiko 300 Pro lens.
    I'm also thinking of getting a GX8 rather than the 300, after all it is the cheaper option of the two.
    Besides, the EM1 is sooo old school ...
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Dave, Bart,

    Thanks. And so it goes. Good thinking!
    When will the E-M1.2 supposedly show up and what sensor will it have?

    I will start with the 300/4 and see what it does before I start considering the 100-400 as well.
    The 300/4 with extender should work very well for these kinds of shots.



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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Dave, Bart,

    Thanks. And so it goes. Good thinking!
    When will the E-M1.2 supposedly show up and what sensor will it have?

    I will start with the 300/4 and see what it does before I start considering the 100-400 as well.
    The 300/4 with extender should work very well for these kinds of shots.
    No doubt in my mind that the 300 is a smashing piece of kit, but as stated previously I do prefer the zoom ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    No doubt in my mind that the 300 is a smashing piece of kit, but as stated previously I do prefer the zoom ...
    Very same for me indeed

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    The EM1m2 should arrive around Photokina 2016, or at least be announced, which would mean availability by end of 2016 (I assume same pattern as with the original EM1 back in 2013).

    Most likely the EM1m2 should have the 20MP sensor which we will already see in the PenF to be announced shortly. With the advancements in sensor technology from Sony over the past years this new sensor should have also better DR and high ISO capabilities and support 4K. But we will see shortly!

    Overall good news for the m43 Olympus camp I guess
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    I have received a personal VIP invitation to an Olympus announcement to be made at the London Design Museum regarding a new Olympus product. It is probably the new Pen camera and it's sensor, but I am just guessing. It could always be the EM1Mk2 but I somehow doubt it. The date is 27th January but I am unable to go but the press will have full details and I can wait!

    "You are invited to the Design Museum, the world's leading museum devoted to contemporary design in every form, to celebrate a special Olympus Camera."
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    I have received a personal VIP invitation to an Olympus announcement to be made at the London Design Museum regarding a new Olympus product. It is probably the new Pen camera and it's sensor, but I am just guessing. It could always be the EM1Mk2 but I somehow doubt it. The date is 27th January but I am unable to go but the press will have full details and I can wait!

    "You are invited to the Design Museum, the world's leading museum devoted to contemporary design in every form, to celebrate a special Olympus Camera."
    Also think it is most likely the new PenF.

    So we should know details at least by Wednesday next week

    I actually hope that they at least show some mockups or at least planned schedule of the rumored upcoming high speed primes
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    I have received a personal VIP invitation to an Olympus announcement to be made at the London Design Museum regarding a new Olympus product. It is probably the new Pen camera and it's sensor, but I am just guessing. It could always be the EM1Mk2 but I somehow doubt it. The date is 27th January but I am unable to go but the press will have full details and I can wait!

    "You are invited to the Design Museum, the world's leading museum devoted to contemporary design in every form, to celebrate a special Olympus Camera."
    No doubt it's all about the new PEN-F: see this link => First real world images of the new PEN-F

    source: 43rumors.com
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    When will the E-M1.2 supposedly show up and what sensor will it have?
    K-H, you could be in for a serious system shock, check out this post: Olympus full frame lens patent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    K-H, you could be in for a serious system shock, check out this post: Olympus full frame lens patent


    Thanks Bart. Couldn't we all be in for a serious system shock then?
    BTW, what kind of system shock does your crystal ball indicate?

    I am hopeful at least one of my OM-D cameras will still work for a long while.
    So nothing to worry about even if I buy no more Olympus gear after I get my 300/4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    BTW, what kind of system shock does your crystal ball indicate?
    You tell us, K-H ! After all you're living in the "Land of Enchantment" ...
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    I have received a personal VIP invitation to an Olympus announcement to be made at the London Design Museum regarding a new Olympus product. It is probably the new Pen camera and it's sensor, but I am just guessing. It could always be the EM1Mk2 but I somehow doubt it. The date is 27th January but I am unable to go but the press will have full details and I can wait!

    "You are invited to the Design Museum, the world's leading museum devoted to contemporary design in every form, to celebrate a special Olympus Camera."
    I'm no VIP but I received one of these invitations too.

    I didn't read it as the launch of a new camera because it's being held in a museum ( museums = the past to me ) and they use the word 'celebrate' which so often is used at funerals .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elderly View Post
    I'm no VIP but I received one of these invitations too.

    I didn't read it as the launch of a new camera because it's being held in a museum ( museums = the past to me ) and they use the word 'celebrate' which so often is used at funerals .
    C'mon Ian, why so gloomy ? Cheer up ! The invitation does say 'contemporary design', right ? So get ready and consider yourself a VIP !
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    *The Panasonic Lumix GX8 vs GX7 showdown. How much of an upgrade is it, really? Well… w/ @LumixUSA

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    I'm still investigating my GX-8 but one thing I will say is that compared to the price of other systems I own (Sony, Leica) it is a lot of bang for the buck. In fact, very good value for money.

    Of course it can't compete with my Sigma DPxM bodies at low iso (100-400) but then not even my A7R can compete with the DP2M or DP3M at iso100.

    But the GX-8 is a lot more convenient to shoot with and is to my mind a very well thought out camera.

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    K-H, you could be in for a serious system shock, check out this post: Olympus full frame lens patent

    Or could it be that Olympus designed the Sony FE 28mm F2.8 ? They were supposed to increase their collaboration, with Olympus sharing some if its lens manufacturing know how and Sony its sensors.

    One should compare the patent shema with that if the FE lens ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Or could it be that Olympus designed the Sony FE 28mm F2.8 ? They were supposed to increase their collaboration, with Olympus sharing some if its lens manufacturing know how and Sony its sensors.

    One should compare the patent shema with that if the FE lens ..
    Clever thinking, Annna ! Perhaps that's the answer to the riddle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Or could it be that Olympus designed the Sony FE 28mm F2.8 ? They were supposed to increase their collaboration, with Olympus sharing some if its lens manufacturing know how and Sony its sensors.

    One should compare the patent shema with that if the FE lens ..
    Do you mean the FE 2/28? That is an outstandingly good lens for a ridiculously cheap price.

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    *The Panasonic Lumix GX8 vs GX7 showdown. How much of an upgrade is it, really? Well… w/ @LumixUSA

    https://tysonrobichaudphotography.wo...ll-w-lumixusa/
    Tiresome and a waste of time ... anyway, overall conclusion: it's the GX8 you want. period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Tiresome and a waste of time ... anyway, overall conclusion: it's the GX8 you want. period.

    Oh well Bart, you win a few and lose a few.
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Do you mean the FE 2/28? That is an outstandingly good lens for a ridiculously cheap price.

    LouisB
    Yes, that it the one I was thinking too. I got it for only 350.- CHF with 8% sale taxe included.. When I got it there was a 10% rebate on Sony products.. So yes it is an incredibly good value. My sample is very sharp, but the distortion is too much for architecture, so I don't use it that much.

    Given both the size and the sharpness, it could well be an Olympus design : that seems to fit Olympus philosophy.. But I'm too lazy this afternoon to chase for the two graphs and compare them..
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Tiresome and a waste of time ... anyway, overall conclusion: it's the GX8 you want. period.
    And this one?

    Robin Wong: Olympus M.Zuiko 300mm F4 IS PRO Lens Review

    Quote:
    "Here are some important points to note: Currently only Olympus OM-D E-M1 and E-M5 Mark II bodies can enjoy the 5-Axis Sync IS with the M.Zuiko 300mm F4 PRO lens. All other Olympus camera bodies does not support this feature. It is my understanding that selected models will get firmware updates in the future to enable the support for the 5-Axis Sync IS. For E-M1 and E-M5 Mark II, you do not get the choice to choose which IS to use, meaning you only have ONE choice of Image Stabilization, which is the full 5-Axis Sync IS using BOTH lens + body IS system. However, for all other Olympus cameras that do not support 5-Axis Sync IS, you need to manually choose which IS you would want to use, either body 5-Axis IS, or the lens 2-Axis IS."

    Interesting. So, with E-M1 and E-M5.2 I get 5-Axis Sync IS. However, with E-M5 I can also compare 5-Axis IBIS against 2-Axis Lens IS. Hmm, that should be fun.
    I knew there was a reason to keep my 3 OM-D cameras.


    Another quote:
    "Olympus claims that with this new IS mechanism, 6 shutter speed steps of compensation can be achieved. That means, from 600mm (equivalent focal length) to 300mm equals 1 step, 300mm to 150mm is another step, and so forth. In order to prove that it really can compensate up to 6 steps of shutter speed, the Olympus M.Zuiko 300mm F4 PRO lens must be hand-held at 1/10sec while shooting."

    I like the selfie shot part in this image. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-U1lAf1Xmnn.../P1230456a.jpg

    But, of course, what if the subject moves?

    Therefore, correspondingly it should be feasible to shoot the 100-400 lens on GX8 with 5 stops stabilization hand held at about 1/50 to 1/60 s @ 400 mm and get sharp images.
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    The review from Robin Wong about the new 4/300 is actually describing a really, Really, REALLY excellent lens. If I could decide to stay in m43 land I would definitely be buying one, maybe as well as the 100-400 and call it a day.

    Will wait a bit to see what the PenF will bring in reality, maybe m43 life for me is still not over
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    Resistance is futile!
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

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    For left eyed folks like me, how to hold that lens?

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    The DG Leica bokeh doesn't disappoint with this lens and is in line with every other DG Leica lens that I have ever used! I have even delayed my annual trip to Africa this year until I can get my hands on my pre-ordered lens!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    The DG Leica bokeh doesn't disappoint with this lens and is in line with every other DG Leica lens that I have ever used! I have even delayed my annual trip to Africa this year until I can get my hands on my pre-ordered lens!
    Will be great wildlife lens for sure! Wish you could pair it with a 20MP sensor ....

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

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    Will be great wildlife lens for sure! Wish you could pair it with a 20MP sensor ....
    The GX8 does have a 20.3 mpx sensor! It is the largest sensor in any MFT camera.....until the E-M1 Mk2 is announced perhaps!!
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

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    The GX8 does have a 20.3 mpx sensor! It is the largest sensor in any MFT camera.....until the E-M1 Mk2 is announced perhaps!!
    Dave, are you sure the GX8 sensor is larger than the other MFT sensors so far ? That would also imply a smaller crop factor, and maybe vignetting problems with existing lenses ....

    Or does the GX8 sensor just have a higher pixel count in the same sensor dimensions ?

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    The GX8 does have a 20.3 mpx sensor! It is the largest sensor in any MFT camera.....until the E-M1 Mk2 is announced perhaps!!
    And the shortly to be announced Oly PEN-F will have a 20 mpx (Sony) sensor ...
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    OLYMPUS 3OOmm f4 Lens test by Warren Fleming

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by f6cvalkyrie View Post
    Dave, are you sure the GX8 sensor is larger than the other MFT sensors so far ? That would also imply a smaller crop factor, and maybe vignetting problems with existing lenses ....

    Or does the GX8 sensor just have a higher pixel count in the same sensor dimensions ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    You are quite correct it is of course a higher pixel count sensor! It's what happens when I post in haste!
    Well, the PenF should do till the EM1m2 arrives

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    The GX8 does have a 20.3 mpx sensor! It is the largest sensor in any MFT camera.....until the E-M1 Mk2 is announced perhaps!!
    Hmm, would be even better if the E-M1 Mk2 had a 24MP sensor. 24MP seems to be the common good resolution for other formats like APS-C, and full frame. Also hope the E-m1 mk2 retains the excellent on sensor PDAF, and maybe improves on it by having a full coverage PDAF capable sensor.

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    Hmm, based on these tables, it looks like only Olympus based lens IS lenses would be able to achieve sync IS, which means lenses like the Nocticron or the 100-400, will not be able to take advantage of sync IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by mazor View Post
    Hmm, would be even better if the E-M1 Mk2 had a 24MP sensor. 24MP seems to be the common good resolution for other formats like APS-C, and full frame. Also hope the E-m1 mk2 retains the excellent on sensor PDAF, and maybe improves on it by having a full coverage PDAF capable sensor.

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    Hmm, based on these tables, it looks like only Olympus based lens IS lenses would be able to achieve sync IS, which means lenses like the Nocticron or the 100-400, will not be able to take advantage of sync IS

    According to these tables, to me it looks like this:

    Nocticron 42.5/1.2 and 100-400/4-6.3 will benefit from Dual I.S. on GX8.
    Oly 300/4 PRO will benefit from 5-axis Sync IS on E-M1 and E-M5.2.

    Both, lenses and cameras with latest firmware.
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    I think it's Dual IS on the GX8 ...
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Thanks Bart. Dual I.S. according to Dual I.S. Compatible Lenses
    I made the correction above.
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    hmm, guess to get the most out of the 100-400, it is best to pair it with a GX8. Not sure how well the 100-400 will balance with the GX8's rangefinder style body without some sort of vertical grip.

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