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    Well, well, well - about time the ancient Lumix 100-300mm / F4.0-5.6 is going to be replaced.
    Come to think of it, I really prefer this Panaleica zoom over the prime Oly 300mm / F4.0 ...

    New LEICA DG 200-800mm (35mm Equiv.) Zoom Lens Under Development

    Panasonic is developing the first LEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3 telephoto zoom lens (35mm camera equivalent: 200-800mm) for the Micro Four Thirds system standard to expand the lineup of DSLM (Digital Single Lens Mirrorless) digital interchangeable lenses.

    The LEICA DG lenses are designed and developed under the stringent quality standard certified by Leica that boast excellent optical performance. Four single focal length LEICA DG lenses have already introduced to the market and have been highly acclaimed by users worldwide.

    The new telephoto zoom achieves exceptional imaging performance over the entire zoom range. It also features high speed digital signal exchange at 240 fps to comply with the high-speed, high-precision AF (Auto Focus) with DFD (Depth From Defocus) technology on LUMIX G cameras. Together with the POWER O.I.S.(Optical Image Stabilizer), it lets users to focus on the target quickly to capture crisp, clear images. In addition, the new lens is both light and small and is splash/dust-proof to withstand heavy field use. As the new telephoto zoom lens excels in size and weight, it enables handheld 800mm (35mm camera equivalent) telephoto shooting without using a tripod.


    Exciting !

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    This is a stunning lens and as Knorp already mentioned I think I will prefer this lens to the Oly 4/300. I am mainly looking to use this lens for wildlife and there a zoom is always what I prefer as you can much faster react to always changing situations.

    I have high hopes in the Leica design - hope it comes true!

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Impressive range! Leica branded huh? I'm not expecting this to be cheap...

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    Yup - surely I won't be cheap, but up till now the Panaleica prices aren't too bad.
    Still, my wild guess: € 1.950,-, so better start saving my pennies ...
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    From the same folks who brought you the Nocticron. (And will not doubt charge accordingly.)
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Looks lovely. Do I need an 800mm equivalent FoV lens? I dunno ... I rarely use even the 75, although I'm surely enjoying the 180 on the Nikon F6.

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    From the same folks who brought you the Nocticron. (And will not doubt charge accordingly.)
    And what a magnificent lens the Nocticron is !
    Worth every penny and just a small premium over the much acclaimed Oly 75/1.8 ...
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    Here is hoping this new lens will be as great as the Nocticron is!

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    I'm hoping it's good through whole of its zoom range and at least excellent on centre all the way.
    Any barrel and/or pin-cushion distortion is likely to be correct in-camera or in PP.
    But if its IQ is the same or only a little better as the Lumix 100-300 I'll be happy.

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    => Coming spring 2016 ?

    source: 43rumors.com

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    If I decide to continue using m43 for my wildlife photography and not move on to Nikon FF again, then this lens will certainly be a fix starter for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    => Coming spring 2016 ?

    source: 43rumors.com

    It's only the third day of spring here

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul H View Post
    It's only the third day of spring here
    Good point, Paul.
    I'd say it means you southern guys have to wait a little longer ...

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    The long wait: first autumn then winter and then spring ... new real world prototype lens picture
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Spring 2016 lens announcement, winter 2016/2017 lens availability. Maybe.

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    Yeah, do not hope being able to get one before 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Yeah, do not hope being able to get one before 2017
    Oh yes, I'm hoping to get hold of one before summer 2016 ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Yeah, do not hope being able to get one before 2017
    It will take me 2017 to save up my pennies to get this lens (as long as it's less that $2,000). I'm patient, I'll wait.
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Well, well, well - about time the ancient Lumix 100-300mm / F4.0-5.6 is going to be replaced.
    Come to think of it, I really prefer this Panaleica zoom over the prime Oly 300mm / F4.0 ...

    Exciting !

    Does sound nice, but not sure if it would replace my ancient 100-300, as the 100-300 rates really well for travel.

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by mazor View Post
    Does sound nice, but not sure if it would replace my ancient 100-300, as the 100-300 rates really well for travel.
    Absolutely ! I did love my copy but forced to choose again the 100-400 is at the top of my long lens list by quite a margin over the 100-300/4 or even the announced 300/4.

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Absolutely ! I did love my copy but forced to choose again the 100-400 is at the top of my long lens list by quite a margin over the 100-300/4 or even the announced 300/4.

    Kind regards.
    My only concern is that it does not come from Olympus

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    My only concern is that it does not come from Olympus
    I am not worried about the Panaleica DG lens quality at all. In my experience they are of exceptional "artistic" quality with sharp yet that difficult to define rendering, one of the characteristics of which is a smooth, buttery bokeh. In contrast the 300/F4 from Oly is sure to be exceptionally sharp, like the 60mm macro, a clinically sharp lens but perhaps without that same artistic drawing that the Panaleica is likely to offer. Of course all of this is pure conjecture and the actual hardware will determine the outcome. Meanwhile, we can but dream and thank our good fortune for such a huge variety of exceptional lenses available for m4/3rds!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    I am not worried about the Panaleica DG lens quality at all. In my experience they are of exceptional "artistic" quality with sharp yet that difficult to define rendering, one of the characteristics of which is a smooth, buttery bokeh. In contrast the 300/F4 from Oly is sure to be exceptionally sharp, like the 60mm macro, a clinically sharp lens but perhaps without that same artistic drawing that the Panaleica is likely to offer. Of course all of this is pure conjecture and the actual hardware will determine the outcome. Meanwhile, we can but dream and thank our good fortune for such a huge variety of exceptional lenses available for m4/3rds!
    There is for sure hope for the PanaLeica 100-400 .

    I do agree that the choices of exceptional glass for m43 are meanwhile enormous!

    I do hope Olympus remembers their 2.8/90-250 for 43 and makes something like that as well for m43, maybe a constant F4 would do and make the lens much lighter than the F2.8 43 version. Should not be too difficult I guess, but maybe the market is too small. I would instantly jump on such a lens, assuming it is of the same quality as their excellent 2.8/40-150!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    My only concern is that it does not come from Olympus
    Peter, it's even better ! It (partly) comes from Leica ...
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Peter, it's even better ! It (partly) comes from Leica ...
    Bart,

    I hear you!

    Now why I come to my high opinion about Olympus optics is because in the past they always were very comparable IQ wise to Leica glass, in some cases Leica were better, in some cases Olympus. This is definitely true since 43/m43 times (digital Olympus), but there are even examples for that dating back to film times.

    And the PanaLeica's actually do not come from Leica, they are developed by Panasonic to meet Leica standards and this is controlled by Leica. Which is good, but they are NO Leica lenses in that regard. And you feel this whenever you touch them (at least I do), with very few exceptions (Nocticron).

    I do definitely not want to get into any fight Leica versus Olympus, makes no sense, but end of the day most of the high end Oly glass is same level IMHO as PanaLeica glass.

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    Crikey ! It will be pricey ... ∼ $2,500
    Oh well, let's skip Santa this year ...
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Not an entirely unexpected price Bart. However we haven't yet seen a definitive price for the mZuiko 300/2.8 from Olympus yet!
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    It better be a gem!
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    But it is a gem ! Look at this latest picture
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    But it is a gem ! Look at this latest picture
    wow, that lens is of descent size!

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    By way of a comparison, the mZ300/F4 Oly Pro lens.First Image of Olympus 300mm f/4 PRO Lens Leaked | Camera Times
    Note that it now get's IS as a switchable alternative to IBIS. Probably because IBIS is not so effective at very long focal length?
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    By way od a comparison, the mZ300/F4 Oly Pro lens.First Image of Olympus 300mm f/4 PRO Lens Leaked | Camera Times
    Note that it now get's IS as a switchable alternative to IBIS. Probably because IBIS is not so effective at very long focal length?

    Thanks Dave.
    Maybe make the Olympus 300mm f/4 PRO Lens attractive to Panasonic m4/3 camera buyers as well?

    Which one to get?
    300/4 or 100-400/4-6.3? The latter seems more versatile.
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    We're getting closer and closer: first small hands-on report
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    We're getting closer and closer: first small hands-on report
    Looks impressively small!

    The obvious advantage of a small sensor ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Looks impressively small!

    The obvious advantage of a small sensor ....
    Unless it deploys IF, the size shown is at its shortest length 100mm.
    I suppose at 400mm it'll be a quite different matter ...
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Unless it deploys IF, the size shown is at its shortest length 100mm.
    I suppose at 400mm it'll be a quite different matter ...
    Sure, but still pretty small I guess

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Looks impressively small!

    The obvious advantage of a small sensor ....
    Pair it with a GM1/5 to take full advantage of the small sensor.

    12-32, 35-100 and now the 100-400.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Pair it with a GM1/5 to take full advantage of the small sensor.

    12-32, 35-100 and now the 100-400.
    Unfortunately going more FF recently

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Do yourself a favour. Do NOT sell your 100-300, ever.

    I did in order to buy a 70-200 from another manufacturer. Trust me the 100-300 smoked the newer lens and I sold it within 2 weeks I was so disappointed.

    Now, I'm contemplating buying it back and a GH body to go with it.

    Mind you, this new 100-400 looks very tasty indeed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Do yourself a favour. Do NOT sell your 100-300, ever.

    I did in order to buy a 70-200 from another manufacturer. Trust me the 100-300 smoked the newer lens and I sold it within 2 weeks I was so disappointed.

    Now, I'm contemplating buying it back and a GH body to go with it.

    Mind you, this new 100-400 looks very tasty indeed...

    Just my two cents (regretfully).

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Bart

    I think the problem for me will be price. I can get a s/h 100-300 for about GBP250.

    The 100-400 I think will be closer to GBP 2,000 if the rumours above are true.

    Mind you I like the idea here.

    A lot of people think me mad for suggesting the 100-300 for birding but I have produced some excellent captures of birds from it and it is of course incredibly portable for an equivalent 600mm lens.

    A 100-400 would give you even more reach and one would expect stellar IQ from it as well.

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Bart

    I think the problem for me will be price. I can get a s/h 100-300 for about GBP250.

    The 100-400 I think will be closer to GBP 2,000 if the rumours above are true.

    Mind you I like the idea here.

    A lot of people think me mad for suggesting the 100-300 for birding but I have produced some excellent captures of birds from it and it is of course incredibly portable for an equivalent 600mm lens.

    A 100-400 would give you even more reach and one would expect stellar IQ from it as well.

    LouisB
    The problem with the 100-300mm is sample variation. Mine couldn't be shot longer than 240mm : longer the E-M5 it wouldn't even be able to AF at long distance. And in MF it was clear that the lens wasn't able to focus at infinite at the long end : I wanted to turn the focusing ring just a little to be OK, but I had reached the furthest distance possible. I went as far as buying a special tripod collar made in Germany hoping my problem was due to camera movement, but it didn't improve anything. I sent the lens to Panasonic support service, but the lens came back with the comment that it was inside of the admitted tolerances.

    BTW I still remember your nice bird pictures !
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Bart

    I think the problem for me will be price. I can get a s/h 100-300 for about GBP250.

    The 100-400 I think will be closer to GBP 2,000 if the rumours above are true.

    Mind you I like the idea here.

    A lot of people think me mad for suggesting the 100-300 for birding but I have produced some excellent captures of birds from it and it is of course incredibly portable for an equivalent 600mm lens.

    A 100-400 would give you even more reach and one would expect stellar IQ from it as well.

    LouisB
    Problem with the 100-300 is exactly what the problem is with the Oly 75-300: IQ degrades significantly at the longer end. Nothing changed here. This was the reason I finally bought the Oly 2.8 40-150 with TC1.4, which is an excellent lens over the complete range.

    My main issue with Panasonic and Olympus m43 is, that their long range telezooms suck at least for me. Why not build a slightly more expensive 75-300, with max aperture 5.6 and with improved IQ at 300, even if it becomes a bit more bulky. I start hating the concept that the whole system HAS TO BE small and lightweight, this is just not working for serious photography.
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    I think the reason why my 100-300 impressed me was that I was cropping significantly to the centre of the lens - which is what most 'birders' do. They may tote impressive super-zooms but in fact they rely on the cropping, sometimes significantly, to get the final photograph.

    Mind you one of the most favourited photos of all time on Flickr was shot at 108mm with the lens.

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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

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    Problem with the 100-300 is exactly what the problem is with the Oly 75-300: IQ degrades significantly at the longer end. Nothing changed here. This was the reason I finally bought the Oly 2.8 40-150 with TC1.4, which is an excellent lens over the complete range.

    My main issue with Panasonic and Olympus m43 is, that their long range telezooms suck at least for me. Why not build a slightly more expensive 75-300, with max aperture 5.6 and with improved IQ at 300, even if it becomes a bit more bulky. I start hating the concept that the whole system HAS TO BE small and lightweight, this is just not working for serious photography.

    I dunno. I always thought the Oly 75-300 II did pretty well, here on the E-M5.2 = E-M5 Mark II at 300 mm, uncropped.

    With best regards, K-H.
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Problem with the 100-300 is exactly what the problem is with the Oly 75-300: IQ degrades significantly at the longer end. Nothing changed here. This was the reason I finally bought the Oly 2.8 40-150 with TC1.4, which is an excellent lens over the complete range.

    My main issue with Panasonic and Olympus m43 is, that their long range telezooms suck at least for me. Why not build a slightly more expensive 75-300, with max aperture 5.6 and with improved IQ at 300, even if it becomes a bit more bulky. I start hating the concept that the whole system HAS TO BE small and lightweight, this is just not working for serious photography.
    My problem is I hardly ever shoot at infinity ...
    Always thought of my 100-300 copy as a 'stellar' lens: especially at the long end.
    But it's the sample variation that's at play here resulting in mixed user experiences.
    I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for my 100-400 ...

    Kind regards.
    Bart ...
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    My problem is I hardly ever shoot at infinity ...
    Always thought of my 100-300 copy as a 'stellar' lens: especially at the long end.
    But it's the sample variation that's at play here resulting in mixed user experiences.
    I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for my 100-400 ...

    Kind regards.
    This is why I think I liked my 100-300 ...baboon; peacock; lion

    Shot with the G1: gone also ...
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    Thanks Bart. Terrific images! I don't think they would have been better taken with an FF camera - well to my eyes anyway.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    This one or this one ? Or both ...
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    Re: PANALEICA DG 100-400mm / F4.0-6.3

    It will be the Panaleica DG100-400 for me, most definitely.

    Reasons:
    * I prefer to use a zoom for wildlife as their unpredictable behaviour means that it is so easy to lose the shot. should a lens change become necessary.
    * The extra reach is so useful and I am not so keen on using the 1.4 converter on the mZuiko Pro 300 prime. I get mixed results using it with the mZuiko Pro 80-150.
    * I just like the Panaleica DG lenses! Their bokeh is usually silky smooth and not so 'clinical' as the mZuiko Pro premium and primes, even though the latter are so very sharp. They have their uses though for certain jobs.

    Just my tuppence worth!

    Happy New Year everyone.
    Cheers, Dave
    www.simmondsphotography.com
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