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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    And another...

    GM5 with Panas 35-100mm f/4-5.6 @ 94mm and f/5.6


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    From today...



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    GM5 with Pana 25mm f/1.7 @ f/2


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    Jorgen- did you see the GX800/GX850/GF9 announcement? I think Panasonic has with it killed the GM line, on the other hand, looks like they did put several things in the new camera I wanted (no AA filter, in-raw converter apparently, depth from defocus).

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    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    Jorgen- did you see the GX800/GX850/GF9 announcement? I think Panasonic has with it killed the GM line, on the other hand, looks like they did put several things in the new camera I wanted (no AA filter, in-raw converter apparently, depth from defocus).

    - Ricardo
    I did, and I find it a bit strange. It's a larger but cheaper camera lacking in ergonomics but better equipped from an imaging point of view. Could we have a GX8500 please, with the GM5 body and the GX850 innards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I did, and I find it a bit strange. It's a larger but cheaper camera lacking in ergonomics but better equipped from an imaging point of view. Could we have a GX8500 please, with the GM5 body and the GX850 innards?
    Maybe the model number would be the GMX8505.....you never know with Panasonic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot View Post
    Maybe the model number would be the GMX8505.....you never know with Panasonic.
    As long as the naming of their cameras is the only thing they can't figure out, I'm satisfied. Have you noticed that they have painted "Lumix" on the front of their cameras since they entered the stills camera business? Have you ever met a single person who has referred to his Panasonic camera as a Lumix?

    They only time I can remember Panasonic had success with a different brand name was with Technics, but they cancelled that, stating that in the future, all Panasonic products would be named "Panasonic". I'm still very happy with my Technics stereo:



    Edit: I see that they kept the Technics brand after all. There's even a 50 years anniversary edition of the legendary SL-1200

    A Journey of Music Rediscovery

    Edit 2:
    It was re-launched in 2014, Technics, not the GM5:

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    WOW... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYT9y6WqMm8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I did, and I find it a bit strange. It's a larger but cheaper camera lacking in ergonomics but better equipped from an imaging point of view. Could we have a GX8500 please, with the GM5 body and the GX850 innards?
    It's almost the same size though. I also think the GM line is at least for now, dead.

    :-(

    I have some contacts and the romulan intelligence is that they didn't sell as well as they wanted, consolidating the line makes sense. The only thing I don't like of the GX850 is I hate those "power shot arrow+button" wheels... would have been better a GM5 style control.

    Other than that, I like the articulated LCD, I can deal with the other missing buttons. You get the sharp of the GX85 (no AA) and colors that are really decent (if anything I am seeing from the GX80/GX85 is a measure to go by).

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    It apparently uses the same battery as the GM5, the BLH7 of which I have three already, so for an ultralight travel setup, it would represent a nice duo; one with viewfinder and one with flip screen, one with 4K and one without. Looks cool too, at lest in black. As if I need more cameras

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    As long as the naming of their cameras is the only thing they can't figure out, I'm satisfied. Have you noticed that they have painted "Lumix" on the front of their cameras since they entered the stills camera business? Have you ever met a single person who has referred to his Panasonic camera as a Lumix?
    You mean the Lumix G? That's the other thing -- it doesn't say G-85 (or G7, etc.) on the front, just G. And then there is the "L" type symbol on the front at the bottom.

    I guess if you can't figure out how to operate your Panasonic camera, it becomes a Flummox G----

    They do know how to build cameras, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    It apparently uses the same battery as the GM5, the BLH7 of which I have three already, so for an ultralight travel setup, it would represent a nice duo; one with viewfinder and one with flip screen, one with 4K and one without. Looks cool too, at lest in black. As if I need more cameras
    So far I have verified the following-

    - Should have the same or almost same image quality of GX85
    - Super sharp/ no AA filter
    - Has in-camera RAW converter
    - Uses same CPU (quad core) of GX85/GX8
    - Looks like it uses the same JPEG engine or similar to GX85 (meaning good JPEG color for Panasonic - a first for them)
    - Apparently responds near as fast as the GX85.
    - RAW buffer over GM5 has ~doubled ( 7 raw images vs 15 raw images continuous shooting)
    - Same mechanical/electronic shutter of GM5
    - You can customize the top buttons to whatever you want (the usual Panasonic F function customization)
    - Camera has a "reset everything" button behind the articulated LCD in the back in case you need to reset to reasonable photographic defaults in a hurry. I think that's great.
    - Can charge batteries in-camera
    - Unfortunately uses micro SD (yuck)
    - Uses same battery of GM1/GM5
    - Has built in flash but no flash socket.

    Yes, I am probably there. I have a backup GM5 that is virtually new, that I bought on closeout when the rumors were Panasonic was stopping the GM line. I may sell and get this one.

    - Ricardo

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    Masculinity



    In other news, I decided after more research to pre-order the GX850, and sell my 2nd (backup) GM5.

    When I get it, hopefully in two weeks or so, I'll voice up my thoughts.

    - Ricardo
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    Got the GX850 (USA)/GX800 (EU)/GF9 (Asia/Japan) today - black

    Camera focuses as fast as gx85 in what I tried.

    Camera response is near gx85 - extremely close to it- just seems a hair slower notably faster than gm5. Maybe just as fast as GX85.

    To my surprise they took out the highlights and shadow items from their jpeg engine options but the in camera raw converter has them. I guess they were trying to simplify.

    Surprised that when put side to side next to the gm5, it sure looks "big" or bigger.

    No option to magnify the pinpoint focus when it focuses beyond its default magnification.

    No option to set LCD refresh to 60 or 30- need to check to see if it always tries to run at 60fps and if it does that probably explains part of the battery life.

    Camera is very very fast. Though this is exactly what I was expecting.

    Dial+menu wheel is ok (I hate those things, and it's alright).

    Image quality/JPEG engine is pretty much the GX85. Maybe by default just a notch more color. Not sure. I think it's about the same.
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    I was wrong about GX850 not being able to magnify the pinpoint AF. You can but you have to do it from the settings of the mode instead of being able to also do it live on the fly.

    Probably to eliminate confusion about doing something the same way, and one of them far less used.

    If you are curious about the image quality just check the GX85 / GX80 shots. It's the same.

    - Ricardo

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    Thanks, Ricardo.

    this current naming convention, undoubtedly introduced with the best intentions, does make things confusing and complicated ...
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    No worries, I understand. If you want to move it to "Fun with GX850" I am cool with that.

    Only posted those impressions here to be in reference to the GM5 since Panasonic has made the new camera its successor pretty much (even if it's not quite quite the idea successor).

    I will open another thread eventually, but please, move it if you think it's for the best.

    - Ricardo

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    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    No worries, I understand. If you want to move it to "Fun with GX850" I am cool with that.

    Only posted those impressions here to be in reference to the GM5 since Panasonic has made the new camera its successor pretty much (even if it's not quite quite the idea successor).

    I will open another thread eventually, but please, move it if you think it's for the best.

    - Ricardo
    Maybe this thread could be renamed "Fun with Panasonic GM/GF". There's a strong resemblance between the Pana micro bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    No worries, I understand. If you want to move it to "Fun with GX850" I am cool with that.

    Only posted those impressions here to be in reference to the GM5 since Panasonic has made the new camera its successor pretty much (even if it's not quite quite the idea successor).

    I will open another thread eventually, but please, move it if you think it's for the best.

    - Ricardo

    No it's not you, Ricardo.
    It's Panasonic I'm referring to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    No it's not you, Ricardo.
    It's Panasonic I'm referring to.
    OMG LOL :-) I remember when I read your post I scratched my head a bit. Somehow I made it all about me me me :-) That makes more sense.

    I think Jorgen has a good idea. Anyhow just in case, a shot from last night - three guys watching a recently happened car crash between a taxi cab and another driver at an intersection. I had to get out late night to check it out because the cab car was honking intermittently, with a full 4-6 minutes constant before doing the pattern.

    Took then like 20 minutes-30 minutes for the ER crew to arrive and disconnect the darn battery. Looks like nobody got hurt, but I can't understand why the car went in that mode.



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    Signs of spring by Christian Hass Jensen, on Flickr
    With the 42.5mm f1.7 lens.
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    GM5 with 35-100mm f/4-5.6 @ 66mm and f/5.4


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    A few GX850... please feel free to tell me this should be in its own thread if you don't think it belongs here...







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    Two in B&W- again, GX850.





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    (GX850). From tonight.



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    With all he cool new stuff being released onto the market every day, it's easy to forget what this tiny, little beast can do. The GM5 is still great.

    GM5 with Pana 25mm f/1.7 @ f/2.2



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    GM5 with Pana 12-35mm f/2.8 @ 12mm and f/4


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    Strictly speaking, I don't need any other camera.

    GM5 with Pana 12-35mm f/2.8 @ 27mm and f/2.8

    https://www.un.org/en/sections/un-ch...r-i/index.html
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    I'm not sure, but I don't think I used the GX8 during my trip to Norway last week. I miss the articulated LCD though, so the GX850 is probably next on my shopping list. Small is good

    Here's a happy girl concentrating on her new baby doll, the prize for being without Papa for a week.

    GM5 with Pana 12-35mm f/2.8 @ 35mm and f/2.8


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    Evening in Trondheim.

    GM5 with Pana 12-35mm f/2.8 @ 35mm and f/2.8


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    Pure GM5 :-)



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    The GM5 represents the essence of digital photography; small, easy to use, relatively advanced and a lens mount that opens for an endless selection of great lenses.

    GM5 with Pana 12-35mm f/2.8 @ 12mm and f/3.5


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    GM5 with Pana 12-35mm f/2.8 @ 35mm and f/2.8


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    GM5, ISO 25600 (!), Dxo, 1/100, old Olympus 4/3rds 50mm F2.0 macro prime.



    That lens is special.

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    Yes, GM5.



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    Time to buy a real camera

    GM5 with Pana 12-35mm f/2.8 @ 35mm and f/4


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    I've said it before: It's the only camera I need. Where's the GM6, Panasonic?

    GM5 with Pana 35-100mm f/4-5.6 @ 38mm and f/5.3


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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    I have looked at the GM5 many times, but aside from the smaller size, I'm not sure what is better or advantageous about the GM5 vs my GH3, GX8, EM1-1 or the G85. The smaller size is not something that is important to me. All of my existing MFT cameras are already small enough for me.

    Is there something else I'm missing about the GM5 that makes it so appealing and special for some?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    I have looked at the GM5 many times, but aside from the smaller size, I'm not sure what is better or advantageous about the GM5 vs my GH3, GX8, EM1-1 or the G85. The smaller size is not something that is important to me. All of my existing MFT cameras are already small enough for me.

    Is there something else I'm missing about the GM5 that makes it so appealing and special for some?

    Gary
    Nope, it's the size, but:

    - It's not a little bit small, it's enormously small. Without a lens, it's a bit smaller than an Sony RX100 IV and much lighter.
    - It has all the physical controls and buttons that you'd expect from an amateur DSLR camera, and they are mostly laid out the same way as with other advanced Panasonic cameras. It is an advanced camera.
    - The viewfinder is not Panasonic's best, but it's very good, and more than sufficient for manual focusing.
    - To me, it's a 200 gram pro camera. I bring it everywhere, either on it's own or as as backup/supplement to the GX8.

    I've always wanted a small camera, at least since I gave away the excellent Canon A95, but most advanced p&s cameras include one or more compromises that I would prefer not to live with. The Sony RX100 is too small (the GM5 has the advantage of a lens sticking out, making it easier to hold), the Panasonic LX100 is too big, all the Canons are too slow... and so on. In addition, the GM5 is a fully functional backup for any m4/3 camera while adding only 200 grams to my bag, and hardly taking up any space at all. Image quality is obviously on par with that generation of m4/3 cameras.

    I've considered the GX850 as a supplement to get a flip-up LCD and 4K video within the same size range (it uses the same batteries as the GM5). What keeps me back are the ergonomics that aren't even close to those of the GM5 and the fact that it lacks a viewfinder. As things look now, I'm probably looking at a GM5, GX8, G9 trio. That should cover me very well for more or less any challenge, and when it doesn't, I have the Nikon D610.

    I have a tiny, little camera bag that rooms the GM5 with two lenses and a couple of extra batteries. All in all, it's less than 500 gram with the most common setups (GM5 + 14-42mm f/3.5-5.6 + 35-100mm f/4-5.6 or one of the lenses replaced by a small prime). It's what I grab when I go out the door. It's my "no excuse" bag

    It works very well with the 12-35mm f/2.8 btw. When carrying the GX8 and the GM5, the GX8 is mostly equiped with a long lens, and the GM5 with the 12-35mm.

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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    Thanks for that very good summary Jorgen. Since I am happy with the size of my GX8s for travel, one with the 12-35/2.8 mounted and the other with the 35-100/2.8 mounted, it seems like I can stick with those. I enjoy having two identical cameras to use (one black and one silver) which together cover the equivalent of 24-200mm at f2.8.

    If I ever need to reduce the size and weight of my travel kit even further, I might look for a GM5 (or GM6 etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I have a tiny, little camera bag that rooms the GM5 with two lenses and a couple of extra batteries. All in all, it's less than 500 gram with the most common setups (GM5 + 14-42mm f/3.5-5.6 + 35-100mm f/4-5.6 or one of the lenses replaced by a small prime). It's what I grab when I go out the door. It's my "no excuse" bag
    Do you have a specific small bag that you use for this combination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot View Post
    Do you have a specific small bag that you use for this combination?
    It's a Vanguard Ziin 14. It doesn't seem to be available outside Asia.

    https://www.miyamondo.com.my/shop/pr...lder-bag-blue/

    The Vanguard Adaptor 15 seems to be of similar size and higher quality:

    https://www.vanguardworld.us/photo_v...daptor-15.html

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...ulder_bag.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    It's a Vanguard Ziin 14. It doesn't seem to be available outside Asia.

    https://www.miyamondo.com.my/shop/pr...lder-bag-blue/

    The Vanguard Adaptor 15 seems to be of similar size and higher quality:

    https://www.vanguardworld.us/photo_v...daptor-15.html

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...ulder_bag.html
    Thanks. I see that my old LowePro LP140 is a perhaps a bit smaller externally, while less vertical and more horizontally rectangular. Maybe a new strap will improve its handling.

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    Children's day have been celebrated here for two days, no less. Friday was the day for celebration and performances at school. With children at two schools, more than 100 kilometres appart, it became a busy day.

    Here's my star performer

    GM5 with Pana 35-100mm f/4-5.6 @ 100mm and f/5.6, cropped



    The somewhat older children, 4th and 5th graders:

    GM5 with Pana 35-100mm f/4-5.6 @ 100mm and f/5.6, cropped


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    So the sixth child was born with Down Syndrome, and the family had to sell the fishing boat that was their only source of income to cover the initial medical costs. The father moved to the city to work as a carpenter, but still money was lacking, so there was not enough for transportation to school for number three, a 14 year old girl. I asked what the cost was for transportation, and they said 40 dollars per month. Easy choice.

    GM5 with Pana 35-100mm f/2.8 @ 42mm and f/2.8



    What was the problem with that camera again? Too noisy at ISO 12,800? It's a tough life, isn't it?

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    Back in Maasim.

    GM5 with Pana 35-100mm f/2.8 @ 100mm and f/3.2


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    GM5 with Pana 7-14mm f/4 @ 7mm and f/4

    This is almost a selfie. The shirt to the right in the photo is mine. With the left hand, I hold the camera to take the photo. Her left eye is distorted due to the very wide angle, managed to fix it slightly in PS (warp), but there are limits. The GM5 and the tiny super WA zoom is a great pair though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    So the sixth child was born with Down Syndrome, and the family had to sell the fishing boat that was their only source of income to cover the initial medical costs. The father moved to the city to work as a carpenter, but still money was lacking, so there was not enough for transportation to school for number three, a 14 year old girl. I asked what the cost was for transportation, and they said 40 dollars per month. Easy choice.

    GM5 with Pana 35-100mm f/2.8 @ 42mm and f/2.8



    What was the problem with that camera again? Too noisy at ISO 12,800? It's a tough life, isn't it?
    Well done Jørgen !!!
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    Pana 12-35mm f/2.8 @ 35mm and f/2.8


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