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    Fast wide PL 12/1.4

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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    I'm sure it's a great lens, but also rather expensive.

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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Mmm, the 'first' review is in: Leica Summilux 12mm f1.4 review | Carmeralabs
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    I have the O12, and at f2 I've never ever wished for a faster lens. Probably says more about my type of usage, but anyhow. I am really looking forward to the promised Olympus 25 and 50 1.2 though.
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by marlof View Post
    I have the O12, and at f2 I've never ever wished for a faster lens. Probably says more about my type of usage, but anyhow. I am really looking forward to the promised Olympus 25 and 50 1.2 though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marlof View Post
    I have the O12, and at f2 I've never ever wished for a faster lens. Probably says more about my type of usage, but anyhow. I am really looking forward to the promised Olympus 25 and 50 1.2 though.
    Perhaps this video changes your mind:
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

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    Perhaps this video changes your mind

    Wheat by Marlof Bregonje, on Flickr

    Nope.
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

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    Perhaps this video changes your mind:
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

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    Ha ha... my reaction too. I found them so distracting that I switched off
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    Ha ha... my reaction too. I found them so distracting that I switched off
    Oh Jørgen, you're so easily distracted. You should have concentrated on the lens instead of the lass ...
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

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    Perhaps this video changes your mind:
    Never really saw such a bad review, I now do NOT want this lens

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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Oh Jørgen, you're so easily distracted. You should have concentrated on the lens instead of the lass ...
    There was a lens there?

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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    There was a lens there?
    She pulls out a lens to introduce and I turn off the video. Sorry.

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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Oh well, I can't afford it anyway now. My pusher had a 40-150mm f/2.8 with the TC, new in box, for $1,300. I think I see where this is heading, so I left the D700 and 3 lenses there for him to sell. Full frame Nikon will in the future be the F6 only
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Oh well, I can't afford it anyway now. My pusher had a 40-150mm f/2.8 with the TC, new in box, for $1,300. I think I see where this is heading, so I left the D700 and 3 lenses there for him to sell. Full frame Nikon will in the future be the F6 only
    The 40-150 and the TC are my favorites on the EM1. Making so many great shots with that combo!

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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    What irks me about this and other PanaLeica lenses is the snobby way Leica themselves make statements that they are never going to enter the m43rds market.

    Guys! You are already in it!

    If you had any sense you'd re-badge the GX8 or GX80 - or even 'Safari' it along with a lens like this and earn yourself a ton of cash flow.

    Just my two cents - and yes, I will probably get this lens at some point.

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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Oh well, I can't afford it anyway now. My pusher had a 40-150mm f/2.8 with the TC, new in box, for $1,300. I think I see where this is heading, so I left the D700 and 3 lenses there for him to sell. Full frame Nikon will in the future be the F6 only
    I picked up the Panasonic 35-100/2.8 for a good price a couple of weeks ago and I am delighted with it. Obviously, it does not have the range of 40-150 but my goodness it is sharp, sharp, sharp. And also very light (I was worried it might be a bit of a boat anchor).

    Just saying for people who may be trying to decide between the 35-100 and the 40-150.

    Mind you... all the work I have seen with the 40-150 has been very good indeed, so good luck with it Jorgen.

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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    I picked up the Panasonic 35-100/2.8 for a good price a couple of weeks ago and I am delighted with it. Obviously, it does not have the range of 40-150 but my goodness it is sharp, sharp, sharp. And also very light (I was worried it might be a bit of a boat anchor).

    Just saying for people who may be trying to decide between the 35-100 and the 40-150.

    Mind you... all the work I have seen with the 40-150 has been very good indeed, so good luck with it Jorgen.

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    I was actually ready to buy the 35-100 as well, but found that by buying the 40-150 plus TC, I won't need the 100-400 until the next airshow, which in my case probably won't happen until 2018

    But what finally tipped me over was the fact that I need either this lens, the 12-40mm or the 60mm macro to do automatic focus stacking or bracketing with the E-M1. That will save me a lot of work and time when doing product shots.

    I might still buy the 35-100 though, for light travel, if I can find one at a great price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Just my two cents - and yes, I will probably get this lens at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    To Louis: that's the spirit
    To the others: "stelletje zuurpruimen"
    Ah, "ein Haufen sauerer Pflaumen". Hört sich gut an.
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Zuurpruim? It's just that I already have this FOV covered with lenses that suit my needs. A set of a GX8, 12/15/25/42.5 would look great to me otherwise. But I'm looking forward to your images with this lens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Ah, "ein Haufen sauerer Pflaumen". Hört sich gut an.
    Genau !
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Perhaps this is more convincing for you: Close look at the new Leica 12mm f/1.4 reviews
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Wow! Now people to extorting others into buying PanaLeica?

    The real Summilux' from Leica (Made in Germany) are not that big considering the area they cover. What is with the 62mm filter on this?
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by vivek View Post
    wow! Now people to extorting others into buying panaleica?

    The real summilux' from leica (made in germany) are not that big considering the area they cover. What is with the 62mm filter on this?
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    See that small silver one in the image on 43rumors? It is f2 and has AF.
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by marlof View Post
    See that small silver one in the image on 43rumors? It is f2 and has AF.
    Genau richtig!

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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    I might pick this up, and get a Pen F while i'm at it.....
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    I would choose the Olympus 2/12 hands down instead of the PanaLeica 1.4/12.

    But maybe that is only me
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by marlof View Post
    See that small silver one in the image on 43rumors? It is f2 and has AF.
    Yes, it too has AF and - oh dear - it's only F2 ...

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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    There are several possible reasons reasons why it's much larger than the Zuiko:

    - The Zuiko is a stop slower
    - The Zuiko has an uncorrected barrel distortion of 5.45 %. It's corrected to 0.733 % in software, but one does lose resolution and probably micro contrast that way.
    - Compared to the Summilux M 24mm, it's also a bit larger, but the M-lens lacks AF and it is a $7,000 lens.

    The trend seems to be for larger lenses, and if there's something to gain in image quality, I'm OK with that. There are smaller choices available if that is what I want.

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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Nice try.


    You seem to imply that the Pana leica lens employs no software correction.

    Large size lenses being trendy...

    Hmm....

    If larger size implies smaller price tag, why do they stick to the tiny sensor?

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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Nice try.


    You seem to imply that the Pana leica lens employs no software correction.

    Large size lenses being trendy...

    Hmm....

    If larger size implies smaller price tag, why do they stick to the tiny sensor?
    While there will probably be software correction, there may be less than with the Zuiko. Large lenses are trendy because they offer better image quality. Just look at the Otus lenses and the Sony GM lenses. Pansonic/Leica and Olympus did the same with 4/3. Some of the best 4/3 lenses are as large as the full frame counterparts, and with image quality to match. My PanaLeica 14-50mm f/2.8-3.5 is more or less as large and heavy as the Nikkor 24-120mm f/4 that I will be selling. The Nikkor is good, but the PanaLeica is much better.

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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Jorgen, Why one would want to sell a lens they own depends on many factors. Just look at all the stuff I am trying sell.. They were all bought for very special qualities that have not diminished in any way.

    I am not sure the Otii will last long and it certainly has not created a trend. I sincerely hope all huge lenses covering tiny frames (regardless of the format) will vanish, especially given the high ISO performance of the sensors of today and the future.
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    There are several possible reasons reasons why it's much larger than the Zuiko:

    - The Zuiko is a stop slower
    - The Zuiko has an uncorrected barrel distortion of 5.45 %. It's corrected to 0.733 % in software, but one does lose resolution and probably micro contrast that way.
    - Compared to the Summilux M 24mm, it's also a bit larger, but the M-lens lacks AF and it is a $7,000 lens.

    The trend seems to be for larger lenses, and if there's something to gain in image quality, I'm OK with that. There are smaller choices available if that is what I want.
    I could be convinced in a heartbeat of all these PanaLeica lenses that have an aperture ring, if this only worked on a Olympus body as well.

    But unfortunately vendors decided to cook their own proprietary soups in m43 land, which was always meant to be an OPEN STANDARD
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    I wouldn't mind having all of them

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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    I've always leaned more towards the Panasonic camp in M4/3 over Olympus due to poor experiences with Olympus cameras and a preference to Panasonic menus/look. This looks like a potentially great performing lens and I still think M4/3 is the most complete compact cropped sensor system if you veer away from CaNikon. Overall M4/3 is the best mirrorless travel system as long as you don't want FF sensors IMO. I still have my G1 but I don't have immediate plans to expand in that system.
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I've always leaned more towards the Panasonic camp in M4/3 over Olympus due to poor experiences with Olympus cameras and a preference to Panasonic menus/look. This looks like a potentially great performing lens and I still think M4/3 is the most complete compact cropped sensor system if you veer away from CaNikon. Overall M4/3 is the best mirrorless travel system as long as you don't want FF sensors IMO. I still have my G1 but I don't have immediate plans to expand in that system.
    Truth is that there is only one mirrorless FF system available today as we all know and this is Sony FE mount. Unfortunately it is far from being complete WRT to lenses.

    For me and many others this is obviously one of the biggest complaints about this system. And please no arguments one can use third party lenses via adapters, this is simply no solution at all for me and many others.

    Plus - unfortunately CaNikon still did not get out any serious mirrorless system and it is questionable if they ever will, although it would have been easy for them.

    Keeping all this in mind m43 is really the most complete mirrorless system today, followed IMHO by Fujifilm X system. Will be interesting to see how fast Fuji can close the gap WRT missing lens offerings in the future. Once this gap is closed Fujifilm X might soon become the best mirrorless choice overall!

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    I wouldn't mind having all of them

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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    It's a fine line-up: I'm halfway ...
    Likewise! I'd give houseroom to the 12 before the 42.5 and the 15 only because I rarely do portraits and also because the darn 12-35 is such a stellar lens (which it really shouldn't be considering it is a zoom).

    Just my two cents.

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    24?
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    24?
    Yes K-H, the 24 - it would complement my 85 nicely ...
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

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    Truth is that there is only one mirrorless FF system available today as we all know and this is Sony FE mount. Unfortunately it is far from being complete WRT to lenses.

    For me and many others this is obviously one of the biggest complaints about this system. And please no arguments one can use third party lenses via adapters, this is simply no solution at all for me and many others.

    Plus - unfortunately CaNikon still did not get out any serious mirrorless system and it is questionable if they ever will, although it would have been easy for them.

    Keeping all this in mind m43 is really the most complete mirrorless system today, followed IMHO by Fujifilm X system. Will be interesting to see how fast Fuji can close the gap WRT missing lens offerings in the future. Once this gap is closed Fujifilm X might soon become the best mirrorless choice overall!
    No arguments regarding Sony's lens offerings but it also depends on WHAT you shoot. FWIW I have an all native lineup of fast-ish primes and there are another 3 ultra wide offerings that were released within the last two months and another one coming by August. The FF Sony offerings are actually not as bad as some will have you believe these days but no the choices aren't asextensive as many competitors. It's getting there though.

    IMO I still believe that Fuji will trail M4/3 in operation if AF is your priority. Both the Olympus OM-D and Panasonic GX/GH/G cameras were significantly faster to lock on focus when I compared last summer. The OM-D EM1 was still significantly faster than the X-Pro 2 as well to where I could tell the difference with focusing at something far away then something close repeatedly.

    What I will say is that the Fuji is more natural in operation for Nikon shooters as the aperture turns the "wrong way." A good friend of mine is a Nikon shooter and wants to add an X-T1/2 camera so I see the benefits there as I fumbled with it... This isn't a knock on Nikon or Fuji... I fumble with the Zeiss style apertures on Sony lenses that I typically leave in "A" mode for camera controlled aperture too.
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    Re: Fast wide PL 12/1.4

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    No arguments regarding Sony's lens offerings but it also depends on WHAT you shoot. FWIW I have an all native lineup of fast-ish primes and there are another 3 ultra wide offerings that were released within the last two months and another one coming by August. The FF Sony offerings are actually not as bad as some will have you believe these days but no the choices aren't asextensive as many competitors. It's getting there though.

    IMO I still believe that Fuji will trail M4/3 in operation if AF is your priority. Both the Olympus OM-D and Panasonic GX/GH/G cameras were significantly faster to lock on focus when I compared last summer. The OM-D EM1 was still significantly faster than the X-Pro 2 as well to where I could tell the difference with focusing at something far away then something close repeatedly.

    What I will say is that the Fuji is more natural in operation for Nikon shooters as the aperture turns the "wrong way." A good friend of mine is a Nikon shooter and wants to add an X-T1/2 camera so I see the benefits there as I fumbled with it... This isn't a knock on Nikon or Fuji... I fumble with the Zeiss style apertures on Sony lenses that I typically leave in "A" mode for camera controlled aperture too.
    Interesting discussion, although OT. For ergonomics, I prefer Panasonic to Olympus. Menus are easier to navigate and understand, and physical ergonomics come very close to what I'm used to from Nikon. Fuji is lovely, as are the images taken with those cameras, but video performance is not. Again, Panasonic is the winner, although Olympus isn't bad either.

    When it comes to price and size of the 12mm f/1.4, this is a lens that I expect to be superior to everything out there, at least as long as we're talking lenses costing less than $2,000. It's the lens that I will buy when I need something better than the zoom that I use now. I guess I should start saving
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    Interesting discussion, although OT. For ergonomics, I prefer Panasonic to Olympus. Menus are easier to navigate and understand, and physical ergonomics come very close to what I'm used to from Nikon. Fuji is lovely, as are the images taken with those cameras, but video performance is not. Again, Panasonic is the winner, although Olympus isn't bad either.

    When it comes to price and size of the 12mm f/1.4, this is a lens that I expect to be superior to everything out there, at least as long as we're talking lenses costing less than $2,000. It's the lens that I will buy when I need something better than the zoom that I use now. I guess I should start saving
    Maybe so. I never wanted for better lens performance on the Micro 4/3 cameras I used. I only really wanted a larger and better sensor performance from them. Physics demands that they'll always lag behind the larger sensors of the same generation but we're approaching a time where the performance is less of an excuse beyond the ability to produce a more shallow DoF.
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    Maybe so. I never wanted for better lens performance on the Micro 4/3 cameras I used. I only really wanted a larger and better sensor performance from them. Physics demands that they'll always lag behind the larger sensors of the same generation but we're approaching a time where the performance is less of an excuse beyond the ability to produce a more shallow DoF.
    "You canna change the laws of physics" (now who said that?)

    But this is an issue for m43rds. The sensor size is fixed (obviously). If they continue to increase pixel density I do not see how they can improve high iso performance which does get bad at iso1600 and above.

    Given all the bodies Panasonic have I am a bit disappointed they do not give us a GH4s with a 10mpx or 12mpx sensor and larger photosites and better high-iso performance.

    Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    No arguments regarding Sony's lens offerings but it also depends on WHAT you shoot. FWIW I have an all native lineup of fast-ish primes and there are another 3 ultra wide offerings that were released within the last two months and another one coming by August. The FF Sony offerings are actually not as bad as some will have you believe these days but no the choices aren't asextensive as many competitors. It's getting there though.

    IMO I still believe that Fuji will trail M4/3 in operation if AF is your priority. Both the Olympus OM-D and Panasonic GX/GH/G cameras were significantly faster to lock on focus when I compared last summer. The OM-D EM1 was still significantly faster than the X-Pro 2 as well to where I could tell the difference with focusing at something far away then something close repeatedly.

    What I will say is that the Fuji is more natural in operation for Nikon shooters as the aperture turns the "wrong way." A good friend of mine is a Nikon shooter and wants to add an X-T1/2 camera so I see the benefits there as I fumbled with it... This isn't a knock on Nikon or Fuji... I fumble with the Zeiss style apertures on Sony lenses that I typically leave in "A" mode for camera controlled aperture too.
    I also believe that Fuji is still behind in AF performance compared to m43. Question is for how long? Another question is if the current Fuji AF performance (XPro2 and upcoming XT2) is not already more than enough for many tasks and people? Including myself as well?

    Once you can answer these questions with YES, then IMHO the Fuji X system is already giving the better choice right now. Cameras are there WRT AF speed and flexibility, resolution is at the absolute sweetspot already with 24MP (that will be reached nay m43 in another 4 years in best case) and lens selection is also already more appealing for many users than the plethora of m43 glass, which nobody really needs and/or which is so big and heavy that it kind of drives the whole concept of m43 nonsense.

    For me the Olympus 2.8/40-150 is one of the most excellent lenses I ever owned, but WRT size and weight it has nothing really in common with what m43 started to propagate some years ago when it was introduced. A Fuji 100-400 is a much more natural fit to a XT1 (and upcoming XT2) body and even the XPro2 in combination with that lens is a perfect system.

    What remains is image quality and there Fuji will from now on always top m43 just because the larger sensor, already available razor sharp 24MP and the wonderful film simulations available.

    Finally video, especially 4k - I am convinced the XT2 will offer pretty perfect 4k as well as several other advanced 1k modes, so at least for an average video shooter like me this is more than enough already.

    Conclusions out of these considerations are pretty obvious I think

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    I also believe that Fuji is still behind in AF performance compared to m43. Question is for how long? Another question is if the current Fuji AF performance (XPro2 and upcoming XT2) is not already more than enough for many tasks and people? Including myself as well?

    Once you can answer these questions with YES, then IMHO the Fuji X system is already giving the better choice right now. Cameras are there WRT AF speed and flexibility, resolution is at the absolute sweetspot already with 24MP (that will be reached nay m43 in another 4 years in best case) and lens selection is also already more appealing for many users than the plethora of m43 glass, which nobody really needs and/or which is so big and heavy that it kind of drives the whole concept of m43 nonsense.

    For me the Olympus 2.8/40-150 is one of the most excellent lenses I ever owned, but WRT size and weight it has nothing really in common with what m43 started to propagate some years ago when it was introduced. A Fuji 100-400 is a much more natural fit to a XT1 (and upcoming XT2) body and even the XPro2 in combination with that lens is a perfect system.

    What remains is image quality and there Fuji will from now on always top m43 just because the larger sensor, already available razor sharp 24MP and the wonderful film simulations available.

    Finally video, especially 4k - I am convinced the XT2 will offer pretty perfect 4k as well as several other advanced 1k modes, so at least for an average video shooter like me this is more than enough already.

    Conclusions out of these considerations are pretty obvious I think
    Perhaps but that's why there are choices.

    I think Micro 4/3 bodies and lenses got larger because there are those that demanded pro quality lenses that were still relatively affordable. If we're being honest here - the OM-D and GH4 aren't much different in size compared to the first gen A7 bodies. The lenses are still smaller than FF equivalents even if they're larger than the consumer grade optics. Fuji has the same issue. Mounting their longer Pro lenses on anything beyond the XT series cameras would prove unwieldy without an external grip.

    The AF is getting better on Fuji no doubt but the rest of the industry isn't remaining stagnant either. I think the difference between 20 and 24 MP is relatively small... Especially if you crop to a different size from a 2:3 image. Fuji has an impressive lens lineup no doubt and the X-T1/X-Pro2 both intrigued me enough to warrant camera store visits. I wound up not buying either because I didn't care for the resolution of the X-T1 or ergonomics of the X-Pro 2. Both are great cameras though and ones I'd recommend people to look at. Just weren't for me.

    This is OT though. I think the 12/1.4 will prove to be an interesting lens and I hope to see people buy it and post pics soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I also believe that Fuji is still behind in AF performance compared to m43. Question is for how long? Another question is if the current Fuji AF performance (XPro2 and upcoming XT2) is not already more than enough for many tasks and people? Including myself as well?

    Once you can answer these questions with YES, then IMHO the Fuji X system is already giving the better choice right now. Cameras are there WRT AF speed and flexibility, resolution is at the absolute sweetspot already with 24MP (that will be reached nay m43 in another 4 years in best case) and lens selection is also already more appealing for many users than the plethora of m43 glass, which nobody really needs and/or which is so big and heavy that it kind of drives the whole concept of m43 nonsense.

    For me the Olympus 2.8/40-150 is one of the most excellent lenses I ever owned, but WRT size and weight it has nothing really in common with what m43 started to propagate some years ago when it was introduced. A Fuji 100-400 is a much more natural fit to a XT1 (and upcoming XT2) body and even the XPro2 in combination with that lens is a perfect system.

    What remains is image quality and there Fuji will from now on always top m43 just because the larger sensor, already available razor sharp 24MP and the wonderful film simulations available.

    Finally video, especially 4k - I am convinced the XT2 will offer pretty perfect 4k as well as several other advanced 1k modes, so at least for an average video shooter like me this is more than enough already.

    Conclusions out of these considerations are pretty obvious I think
    Well, WRT lens size and overall system size we are 100 percent on topic

    Ok, back to topic again - this was actually my main complaint, for a m43 lens - even if it is a 1.4/12 (1.4 24 equivalent in FF terms) this lens is far to big, which puts me off.

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    Well, WRT lens size and overall system size we are 100 percent on topic

    Ok, back to topic again - this was actually my main complaint, for a m43 lens - even if it is a 1.4/12 (1.4 24 equivalent in FF terms) this lens is far to big, which puts me off.
    Fair enough. In my experience it's usually not weight and size alone that people should judge. How a lens/body combination balances along with the body's ergonomics play a huge factor.
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