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    1080p/24fps; 1:1 format; price? shipping when?

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    That wide lens is only 40% of the weight of the 4/3s version and a bit smaller then the 11-22. Same weight at the 50mm macro. If that's any good it could seal the deal for me.
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    Any news on release dates, particularly for the 7-14mm?

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    Indeed the 7-14 is tiny and light.

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    Pretty good... surprise sensor (I LOOOOOVE the idea of, effectively a square sensor), decent video, external mic socket - sounds like video is supported for all lenses.

    The lenses look fantastic - I just hope that Panasonic made IQ a priority with these two.

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    We asked at the press conference about the price and shipping date. The price and shipping date will likely be determined in a couple of weeks. I was told the G1 will not drop in price when the GH1 is introduced, so expect it to come in higher than the G1.

    The 1080p-24fps and 720p-60fps video looked very good.
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    I'd guess somewhere in the $1000 range personally. If it costs any higher and I don't know how well it would sell. It looks interesting though IMO.
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    I've read it in a spanish website (and the norwegian website too) that it should cost more than 1500us$. Wouldn't you just looove if Oly would release their m 4/3rd tomorrow with full HD for the price fo the G1 I know, I am that mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post

    New sensor for multiple aspect ratios (keeping same focal length - no crops) is an interesting development
    Well not exactly. The 1:1 format is just 2900x2900, a crop of the 4000x3000 4:3 format.

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    One spec I haven't sorted out: Is there any limit on video recording time other than the capacity of the card?

    Nikon and Canon seem to be limited to fairly short clips, which I've read is because of sensor heating.

    Otherwise, this seems like a good announcement to me: It sounds as if Pana has done a great job of implementing video (external mic, silent AF, etc.) BUT it doesn't sound so great that I'm kicking myself for buying the pre-video model! (The max aperture of the 14-140 isn't wide enough for my video needs, so still it looks as if I'll still need to buy a dedicated video cam when I decide to upgrade to HD.)

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    Ranger 9, I was told at the press conference that the GH1 has no time limit (other than the capacity of the card) for the video recording. They mentioned that competing systems limited the recording times because of overheating.

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    Ranger, I suspect the G1HD (whoops, old habits die hard!) GHD1 will live with the 14-140 attached, and that 7-14 will become welded to the front of my G1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Ranger, I suspect the G1HD (whoops, old habits die hard!) GHD1 will live with the 14-140 attached, and that 7-14 will become welded to the front of my G1

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    Sounds like a nice combo to me!

    Great things coming our way these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Indeed the 7-14 is tiny and light.
    and slow.. :sleep006:

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidE View Post
    We asked at the press conference about the price and shipping date. The price and shipping date will likely be determined in a couple of weeks. I was told the G1 will not drop in price when the GH1 is introduced, so expect it to come in higher than the G1.

    The 1080p-24fps and 720p-60fps video looked very good.
    I have heard the 24fps is a problem in Europe due to their use of 25fps frame rates and has caused problems for the Canon 5DMkII.

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    and no image stabilization.

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    Sounds nice folks. Will have to check it out
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnastovall View Post
    and slow.. :sleep006:
    Well, you can always buy the Nikon 14-24 instead, if you want one stop faster.

    The front of the lens is 1.4 times larger in diameter; 1.5x longer, and weighs over three times as much as the 7-14. Add the difference in weight of a full frame Nikon over a G1 while you are at it.

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    Amateur Photographer mention that a 45mm f/3.8 is due later in the year, along with the 20mm pancake:

    http://www.amateurphotographer.com/n...ws_277857.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kachadurian View Post
    Well not exactly. The 1:1 format is just 2900x2900, a crop of the 4000x3000 4:3 format.
    Would it have killed them to make that 3000x3000? Anyway, doesn't bother me cause I don't think I need anything in 1:1.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnastovall View Post
    I have heard the 24fps is a problem in Europe due to their use of 25fps frame rates and has caused problems for the Canon 5DMkII. [/URL]
    In Europe, the GH1 shoots 25fps instead of 24fps. Its apparently continentally aware.

    Quote Originally Posted by back alley View Post
    and no image stabilization.
    On the 7-14, but then at 7-14 I think I can handle the lack of IS.

    The damage the 7-14 will do to my wallet, however, will have me passing for now.

    Also, rumor is, camera shipping by May with a price around $1,500 with the 14-140. Apparently the camera is $600 and that lens is $900.

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    Wonder if you will be able to just buy the body only. We should do a poll on how many will move up to this model.
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    If I get one, I'll buy the older model used and hopefully body only. Have no use for video in it. If I want to do video, I'll get a deicated video camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LizaWitz View Post
    Would it have killed them to make that 3000x3000? Anyway, doesn't bother me cause I don't think I need anything in 1:1.



    In Europe, the GH1 shoots 25fps instead of 24fps. Its apparently continentally aware.

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    I wonder if that is user selectable? If not it would stlll be a problem. I know with the better Canon video cameras it's selectable function.

    No way the camera is going to know if it's in London, Texas or London, UK.

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    I read somewhere that's a 45mm f2.8... sounds great!

    ...things are looking good for m4/3rds - and we've still got Olympus with their rangefinder style cam to arrive.

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    Prototype or option?


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    First off, here's a link to the marketing page for it:
    http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/syste...gh1/index.html

    Quote Originally Posted by johnastovall View Post
    If I get one, I'll buy the older model used and hopefully body only. Have no use for video in it. If I want to do video, I'll get a deicated video camera.
    Well, you can't get a video camera anywhere close to this camera in terms of quality and flexibility. I'm a video shooter-- I don't take stills except for only very occasionally. (And I just have used my camcorder for that in teh past.)

    I'm keen for this camera JUST for the video. There is nothing on the market that will compare (for the features I need) anywhere near the price.

    Course, since its not a priority for you, getting a G1 seems to be the way to go if you like the formfactor, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnastovall View Post
    I wonder if that is user selectable? If not it would stlll be a problem.No way the camera is going to know if it's in London, Texas or London, UK.
    Unfortunately. About the only feature that this camera is really missing is a built in GPS for geotagging photos. I'd really appreciate that.

    Anyway, I was joking. When you set up the camera you set it to the right system-- NTSC or PAL. Either that or they set it at the factory based on where its sold. At any rate, I don't expect it to be a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by kiloran View Post
    Prototype or option?
    The gold color is one of the standard colors the camera comes in! I don't mind gold, I just wish they hand't dropped blue. Now I'm not sure which color to pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiloran View Post
    Prototype or option?

    [ IMG]http://a.img-dpreview.com/articles/pma2009/Panasonic/P3030496.jpg[/IMG]
    Color is an option, not an obligation!

    Amazingly that the 14-140 is much smaller than the 45-200

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    I'm not a video person but that gold is pretty wild. Is it the champagne edition? I'm just excited that they got the camera out to the market and are charging full steam ahead.

    I'm still eager to see video samples with it and fingers crossed that Panny hits a home run with this to keep the R&D $$$$ flowing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    I read somewhere that's a 45mm f2.8... sounds great!

    ...things are looking good for m4/3rds - and we've still got Olympus with their rangefinder style cam to arrive.

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    I didn't see either mentioned anywhere yet ('cept here), but an f/3.8 sure wouldn't interest me--and I bet not a lot of people. f/2.8, OTOH, would be quite nice. I've found f/2.8 on my FD24 and 35 are generally fine.

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    3.8 sounds like a typo. But a macro m4/3 isn't of much interest to me, there are tons of really nice cheap macros in that approx. focal length, and I tend to use manual focus for macro shots anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    I'm not a video person but that gold is pretty wild. Is it the champagne edition?

    It's recognition for the original G1, made by Contax.

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    Re: Improved sensor

    As far as I can tell from the interactive multi-aspect ratio diagram from this page, it appears the new improved sensor might be physically larger than the G1's:

    http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/syste...igh_image.html

    Like the LX3, it appears that the GH1 uses a crop of the sensor (rather then the entire sensor) even when using 4:3 aspect ratio.

    The page goes on to claim full-frame image quality:

    "By maximizing Panasonic's accumulated ν (nu) Maicovicon technologies, the 4/3-type 12.1-megapixel Live MOS sensor featured in the DMC-GH1 is able to offer the best of both worlds — the superior image quality of a full-frame CCD sensor, and the lower power consumption of a CMOS sensor."

    I'm not into video, but if these claims are true, I'll be interested in this camera for the improved sensor alone, especially if it means better high ISO performance. Not that the G1's high ISO is shabby right now, but any improvement in this area would be welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LizaWitz View Post
    Also, rumor is, camera shipping by May with a price around $1,500 with the 14-140. Apparently the camera is $600 and that lens is $900.
    That sounds a bit of a bargain for the lens when you consider its complexity - 4 aspherical elements

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    The price has been confirmed and it's 1500€ (that's right EUROS).

    Try it on babelfish online translator:
    http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/c...us-e-3-,1_5085

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    The price has been confirmed and it's 1500€ (that's right EUROS).
    ....
    GULP.....

    That´s twice what I paid for the G1 kit last November....

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    Having come from the video world it feels to me that Panasonic is marketing this camera for the video crowd too. It has been a long life dream of MANY video/film makers to have a quality video camera that can have the DOF and dynamic range of a photo/film camera. I'm a BIG regular on video/film forums and people are going CRAZY over this camera.

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    1500 euros sounds like a lot for a still camera, but compared to other video cameras that can take interchangeable lenses, it's pretty reasonable. That may be another reason the video crowd is excited. Of course, that'll all come down to performance, which we won't know about until people get working samples.

    I still don't know if I'd want to spring, but the logic is persuasive. I only shoot video seriously about four times per year -- but when I do, I want it to turn out well. The idea of a camera that can produce good results on the relatively rare occasions when I need a video camera, and be used the rest of the time as a still camera, might make enough sense to justify the price, IF the results are there.

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    What I can tell you is that the Nikon D90 had A LOT of videographers VERY excited and I see really a lot of work being done with this camera. But there's also have been a lot of criticism about the rolling shutter (jello effect) and the artifacts. A low budget video camcorder with enough quality to be considered by more ambitious people starts at around 500us$ and it can up to 5000us$ or more, but there's a lot of people out there who also buy adapters that allow the use of nikon/canon lenses on videocameras (the adapter alone can cost from 800us$ to 3000us$). If you add up all these numbers the price is not that bad for the video crowd IF it can present the goods. We better get used to this because frankly it's just a matter of time until this type of hybrid solution becomes the future.
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    Being able to use traditional cine lenses is a nice bonus...small, fast (much faster than the 14-140) no click stops, the D90 can't do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    ...there's also have been a lot of criticism about the rolling shutter (jello effect) and the artifacts.
    There's nothing in the specs, but given the large-size CMOS sensor, I suspect that the GH1 is going to have a rolling shutter as well, and consequently will be susceptible to the jello effect, too. Oh, well, at 60fps, maybe at least it will be firmer jello. (I'll bet the lawyers at Kraft Foods, makers of Jell-O Brand Gelatin, would have a cow if they could see this usage...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    3.8 sounds like a typo.

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    Naah, they didn't design micro 4/3 with other lenses in mind.


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    Maybe 1,500 euros in europe, but under $1,500 in the USA. This was heard by multiple sources at the announcement yesterday.

    Personally, I think this is $700 for the camera body (like the G1) and $800 for the lens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LizaWitz View Post
    Maybe 1,500 euros in europe, but under $1,500 in the USA. This was heard by multiple sources at the announcement yesterday.

    Personally, I think this is $700 for the camera body (like the G1) and $800 for the lens.
    $700 price for the G1 typically includes the 14-45 kit lens. So the equation would be more like, say, $500 for the body and $1000 for the lens (!) -- unless you figure the video features add $200 in price to the body, which I suppose they might.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Naah, they didn't design micro 4/3 with other lenses in mind.

    That's a very interesting photo... particularly in view of Panasonic's friendly relationship with Leica. I would almost bet it means that they wouldn't have shown these adapters without Leica's blessing -- and I can't believe Leica would have blessed them if they thought the results would give their lenses a black eye.

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    yehh, thinK Leica suppLied t' Red Dot™...an [email protected] wif t' Red G™?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    That's a very interesting photo... particularly in view of Panasonic's friendly relationship with Leica. I would almost bet it means that they wouldn't have shown these adapters without Leica's blessing -- and I can't believe Leica would have blessed them if they thought the results would give their lenses a black eye.
    Well, they already have a black eye - or at least a minor bruise. The wide (< 50mm) M mount lenses yield less than stellar performance on the G1, unless you don't mind the edge and corner distortion problems. Maybe they will suggest that Panasonic incorporate some firmware magic using the Leica 6 bit coding on their lenses to correct he optical deficiencies.

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    Re: The G1 HD is here with more than video changes

    Ok,
    Here is probably the reason for the big price difference. In Europe anything that will take more than 15 minutes of video is considered a video camera and the import duty is much more expensive. Panny just released the TZ7 for Europe and changed the name to ZS1 for the US. The European model has video capped at 15 minutes. The US model is limited by card size. I can't link to the post right now but that info came from Panny at PMA.

    So a big price difference is realistic.

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    Re: The G1 HD is here with more than video changes

    not really a big price difference

    most of europe has a compulsary sales tax (VAT or TVA) of anything between 15 and 20% and prices are generally quoted inclusive of this tax. Unlike the US where prices are usually quoted without sales tax

    1500 dollars is 1200 euros multiply that by 1.17 to add the tax and you get to 1400 euros

    As terry says there are also strange rules about what is considered a video camera here and that may also have an effect.

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