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Just to make things more complicated, there is a new Leica 50-200/2.8-4 under development :clap:That did make me 'lol'. Good advice, Peter. Fortunately, there is an open day with Panasonic products next week at my local camera shop, so hopefully I can take a look. I also have an offer to take a loan of a 300/4 for three days but I'm trying to find a period where there may be some sunshine so I can hike to my favourite birding spot and give it a good trial.
Even with a TC the 200/2.8 has less reach than the 300/4.
The only thing I will say based on the experience of using Leica products for many years is this. With each new Leica product you wonder if they have got it wrong. The camera or the lens always seems to be slightly different to the competition. Then after a while you realise that the thinking was a lot deeper than just following the competition.
So, why a 200 f2.8 when clearly a 300/4 would compete with the Oly. Then you think: it is easier to 'up' the reach of 200 with TCs but you can't down the reach of a fixed 300 or reduce the aperture by a stop.
LouisB
More of a nightmare for me :banghead:Just to make things more complicated, there is a new Leica 50-200/2.8-4 under development :clap:
https://www.43rumors.com/leica-50-200mm-lens-will-released-2018/
I am slowly coming into my dream land with m43 :thumbs:
And Olympus hopefully starts to wake up ...
I think that the optimal Olympus pairing would be 12-40 with 40-150, while 12-100 is a great single lens system. Why would PL 12-60 with PL 50-200 be a preferable travel pairing?More of a nightmare for me :banghead:
a PL 12-60 twinned with a PL 50-200 would probably be a preferable travel pairing
to my existing Olympus 12-100 Pro and 40-150 Pro :thumbs:
But then I'd have to change my EM1 Mk2 for a G9 :scry:
Within last years I had Sony, Sigma, Canon, Nikon, Samsung aaaand Lumixes (from GH1, GH4, G1, G3, G5 ...).I am slowly coming into my dream land with m43
While the optimal Olympus lens pairing for travel is for sure either the 12-100 as a single lens setup or the 12-40 and 40-150, the PL 12-60 and PL 50-200 would give you a reach to 400mm effective focal length and I assume in a lighter and smaller setup than with the Oly pairing, which offers instead a constant 2.8 aperture.I think that the optimal Olympus pairing would be 12-40 with 40-150, while 12-100 is a great single lens system. Why would PL 12-60 with PL 50-200 be a preferable travel pairing?
Which is the PL 50-200? I see a PL 45-200/f4-5.6, which is not of professional designation, and probably not that superb. For traveling, and assuming that 12-100mm is enough coverage, I may rather go with PL 12-35/f2.8 and PL 35-100/f2.8. Less than 100g heavier than Olympus 12-100 but at f2.8 instead of f4 ... and much lighter than Olympus 12-40/40-150 combo.While the optimal Olympus lens pairing for travel is for sure either the 12-100 as a single lens setup or the 12-40 and 40-150, the PL 12-60 and PL 50-200 would give you a reach to 400mm effective focal length and I assume in a lighter and smaller setup than with the Oly pairing, which offers instead a constant 2.8 aperture.
So there a pro's and con's for both and I think I might end up with both systems :banghead: in order to be able to choose the best combo for slightly different outings (travels).
Have a look on this link, that I already posted before and you will see the DG 50-200/2.8-4 ....Which is the PL 50-200? I see a PL 45-200/f4-5.6, which is not of professional designation, and probably not that superb. For traveling, and assuming that 12-100mm is enough coverage, I may rather go with PL 12-35/f2.8 and PL 35-100/f2.8. Less than 100g heavier than Olympus 12-100 but at f2.8 instead of f4 ... and much lighter than Olympus 12-40/40-150 combo.
I had the 12-40 and 40-150 pairing.I think that the optimal Olympus pairing would be 12-40 with 40-150, while 12-100 is a great single lens system. Why would PL 12-60 with PL 50-200 be a preferable travel pairing?
Interesting viewpoints. I too mostly prefer Panasonic lenses on my Panasonic cameras, but mostly because I like how they render better than the Olympus lenses. Still, the Zuiko 75mm (and Samyang 50mm f/1.2) will from now on take the place of the Panasonic 35-100mm which I sell.Peter
I fully understand where you are coming from. Although I do own the Olympus 7-14/2.8 I have consistently purchased Lumix lenses to go with my Panasonic cameras entirely for the sake of compatibility.
I bought the 7-14/2.8 before the 8-18 was announced but were I to make the purchase decision today I would go with the 8-18 for complete compatibility, even though I suspect that the 7-14 is a superior lens. I am even feeling some pressure to consider trading in the 7-14 against the 8-18 for the sake of compatibilty.
Now, it is a shame that within the m43rds ecosystem incompatibilities exist because really they shouldn't. The Oly 12-100 makes far more sense as a travel lens that the Leica 12-60. The 200/2.8 might be a more versatile lens than the 300/4 for some people. The Nokton, as you say, is a very special lens as is the Lumix 12/1.4. The Pro Olympus lenses are very high quality products and in some areas offer better performance than the Lumix ones. And then it is very exiciting that Simga are beginning to produce lens for m43rds (let alone the existing Voigtlander and Laowa offerings).
The bodies really should be irrelevant, except for format, ergonomics, additional software features. But the body lens interraction should be identical.
If Panasonic really do listen to their users I hope that at some point they will work with Oly (and others) to bring much more closer compatibility. I know from my own marketing experience in joint ventures that this often leads to an expansion in sales for both companies.
LouisB