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Is the XT-2 considered as the major threat to the CL?
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No idea but I have zero interest in the CL personally. My options are Fujifilm X/G combo or remain with Sony.Is the XT-2 considered as the major threat to the CL?
But some years ago it wasn't the improved version, right? This conversation got me looking at some B&H comments re that, and this one impresses (and I'm still considering the G85) ... :I've been considering the 100-300, but when I owned it some years ago I wasnt that big a fan ...
In particular the IS appeals to me for longer focal lengths.
-d.I'm using this together with a Lumix G85. With Dual OIS turned on (in body and lens), I can get sharp results at 1/20th, handheld. The lens is also weather sealed. It actually mates tighter than the 12-60 kit lens with the o-ring at the mount. It feels like you get good bang for the buck, even though it's a bit more expensive than the predecessor.
I believe the main improvement with the new version is better OIS and the enabling of Dual IS.... and the all important darker colour of course :lecture:But some years ago it wasn't the improved version, right? This conversation got me looking at some B&H comments re that, and this one impresses (and I'm still considering the G85) ... :
-d.
+1 to Louis.I do not agree with ptomsu about the 12-35 and 35-100 lenses. I have never liked zooms until I got these two lenses.
Panasonic have learned a great deal from Leica and it shows in the quality of their lenses.
LouisB
You old cynic you!Is the XT-2 considered as the major threat to the CL?
I was using the new 50 WR and the 16-55 pro zoom, you could get around it by not using A mode, but not otherwise!Well yeah but you’d admitted to not actually using it at the time if I remember correctly so there’s that.
I’m not saying that I don’t believe Jono,because I do. I’ve seen video evidence on YouTube videos of lens pulsating/oscillating effects but I’ve also seen the same video claim correction through lens/body firmware with video evidence of that as well. I guess whether it’s an issue or not will come down to how bad it actually is and if it can be avoided or if it’s 100% random. If it’s a matter of the camera switching from PDAF to CDAF then I know how to mostly solve that. If it’s a matter of specific lens and body combos then I’d like to know which ones all exhibit the behavior so that I avoid them. I’m primarily most interested in the newer WR primes (16/23/35/50/90) and the Red Badge Zooms (16-55/50-140) for event work.
I've fixed that for you Jørgen :ROTFL:............ and the only time I had a Mercedes Benz were when one tipped over in the Swedish moose test. It was a briliant car, at least for me, and I didn't encounter a single moose - in Pratamnak
When I was more heavily invested in Micro 4/3 the Panasonic 20mm, 25mm, and 45 Macro were some of my favorites as well. Now the only lens I still have is the 14-45 with my original G1.Jono, one other lens to consider for your G9 is the Lumix Leica 25/1.4 Summilux.
Yes, I know it is cheeky calling it a Summilux but I think you would be seriously impressed with the performance. I use it quite a lot as a portrait lens and the bokeh is wonderful.
My favourite lenses in no particular order are the 12-35, 20/1.7 (a complete Summicron rip-off), 25/1.4 and Elmarit 45/2.8. I wouldn't say the 100-400 is 'my favourite' but as a wildlife lens it is incomparable for its size. The 35-100 is not a favourite but it is a fantastic workhorse and pretty much essential for that reason.
I also own the Olympus 7-14 which is another great workhorse without which I could not create most of my architectural work.
The only lens I have so far been a little less impressed with is the Lumix Leica 15/1.7. I got it as a grey import and I think I may sell it as it really does not outshine the my first gen (ten years old?) Lumix 20/1.7.
BTW, if anyone is interested I am selling my mint, 6 months old GH5, complete boxed etc for GBP1000 cash+delivery.
LouisB
You old cynic you!
If only you knew what dangers we have to face in Pratamnak on a daily basis... swimming pool to cold, swimming pool too warm, out of beer and more than 5 minutes to the nearest shop. The challenges are endless :lecture:I've fixed that for you Jørgen :ROTFL:.
Well, I'm not a shill either - I was expecting to embrace the Fuji system, but was driven crazy by something which Fuji say is 'expected behaviour', which is easily repeatable and thoroughly well documented over a long period (apparently it doesn't happen with the X-Pro2). It wasn't an issue specific to my camera or lenses, which I sold to a well known UK wedding photographer who knew about the issue and confirmed that for the way he and his assistant(s) shot it was no problem.Not old not and not a cynic by any stretch.
Discerning, yes.
Hi LouisJono, one other lens to consider for your G9 is the Lumix Leica 25/1.4 Summilux.
Yes, I know it is cheeky calling it a Summilux but I think you would be seriously impressed with the performance. I use it quite a lot as a portrait lens and the bokeh is wonderful.
My favourite lenses in no particular order are the 12-35, 20/1.7 (a complete Summicron rip-off), 25/1.4 and Elmarit 45/2.8. I wouldn't say the 100-400 is 'my favourite' but as a wildlife lens it is incomparable for its size. The 35-100 is not a favourite but it is a fantastic workhorse and pretty much essential for that reason.
I also own the Olympus 7-14 which is another great workhorse without which I could not create most of my architectural work.
The only lens I have so far been a little less impressed with is the Lumix Leica 15/1.7. I got it as a grey import and I think I may sell it as it really does not outshine the my first gen (ten years old?) Lumix 20/1.7.
BTW, if anyone is interested I am selling my mint, 6 months old GH5, complete boxed etc for GBP1000 cash+delivery.
LouisB
Agreed! I tried to get that ball rolling re some of the lenses being discussed, even though not shot with a G9 (since for now at least, I won't be getting one).just to remind you that :worthless:
I did a quick check with my X-E3, and I can corroborate the flicker Jono talks about. If you have the camera to do good exposure but not real exposure, it can be a bit more jarring than without but it's there. Depending how far off the normal exposure is from final, it can be more noticeable, or less.Thanks that’s the first I ever heard of it.
It prompted me to do a a quick search and the most recent cases I could find of the issues were from March 2017. It seems to have been firmware corrected in lens and body on the visible tests I’ve found on YouTube with firmware version 3.00 on X-T2 and updated lens profiles. Hopefully it’s a non-issue now but I will at least test in store before buying if that’s the direction I decide on going. So Hanks for raising the issue.
I find the AF of the X-E3 quite good, even to low light. Definitively better than OMD EM5 MKII and PenF. But the EM1 MKII is a new model and has better AF, so would be good to check.I’ve only ever heard wonderful things about the Fuji AF speed and accuracy from people shooting event style and lowlight photography but maybe it’s worth renting as well to check it out alongside my Sony kit.
I find the AF of the X-T2 pretty decent and it just improved as the X-E3 has improved CDAF tracking. The X-T2 also speeds up slightly if you use the battery grip.I don’t do a lot of pure action or sports shooting but I get on well with the A7RII and it’s supposed to be crap at AF (if you believe all the feedback) according to many so I assume the Fuji X system will be fine. The menu system is very Sony like IMO so that’s not a huge factor to me either. I looked at and went the CDAF only way in the past and while it’s probably ok for the portrait work I do I don’t trust it for moving subject still. I know they’ve improved it a lot the last 2-3 years but I just have uneasy feelings of having to rely on it in lower light. I also dropped Adobe last year so it’s Capture One and Affinity Photo for me. I do have Iridient (and Photo Mechanic) as well but it gets used more as finishing tools for me.
I've never understood the incompatibility issues some people seem to have with the m4/3 system. Apart from lack of dual IS between the systems, which only applies to two Zuiko lenses with Panasonic bodies anyway, since only the 300mm and the very recent 12-100mm have IS, my experience is that lenses work well across the two brands. My most used lens on my many Panasonic bodies has always been the Zuiko 75mm and when I had the E-M1, the most used lens with that body was the PL 14-50mm in 4/3 mount with a Panasonic adapter. I've heard that there are som fringing issues with the Panasonic 7-14mm on Olympus bodies, but I've never seen the evidence. Panasonic's "shutter shock" fix works equally bad with some of the Panasonic lenses as with those from Olympus.
I have much more compatibility issues with Nikkor lenses on Nikon bodies, with older lenses that won't meter and/or AF on cheaper bodies, the 58mm that won't work well on my F6 and the newest E-lenses that won't stop down on any older body. Still, I don't see much reason to complain. I use what works, and with m4/3, most things work. Dual IS. No problem with that on Nikon cameras. Doesn't exist :ROTFL: