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    I'll pass on spending an hour and a half of my life watching a video about why the new Olympus camera is so great.
    There is a little secret in watching these lengthy videos - just skip through the parts you are not interested. I made the hour and a half to something like 15 minutes and I think I did not miss too much relevant content
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    Re: New Olympus High End m43 Camera

    Here's a pretty honest review, Cameralabs:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypUU3lbaH4M
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    Re: New Olympus High End m43 Camera

    Finally a review showing the EM1X under wildlife conditions - not too bad at all!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxM5bmG49ok

    This would be one of the main areas for me to use this camera for!

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    Re: New Olympus High End m43 Camera

    I do own some m43 equipment and also larger sensors. If I use wide angle up to 90mm I mostly use the cameras with larger sensor.
    However for sports and longer reach the compact size of the m43 tele lenses (specially the 40-150) in combination with the speed of the em1II is great IMO. Specially for personal use, the 40-150 m43 lens sees more use than my 90-280 for the SL (Which is a beautiful lens but much bigger)
    So a camera body aimed to sports and wildlife (like the em1-x) makes sense IMO (for Olympus).
    For me the question: How much does one gain over the EM-1II? For my limited use I am totally fine with the EM-1II. If I did a lot of sports and Tele I woud be tempted by the EM-1X, however the price seems steep to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    I do own some m43 equipment and also larger sensors. If I use wide angle up to 90mm I mostly use the cameras with larger sensor.
    However for sports and longer reach the compact size of the m43 tele lenses (specially the 40-150) in combination with the speed of the em1II is great IMO. Specially for personal use, the 40-150 m43 lens sees more use than my 90-280 for the SL (Which is a beautiful lens but much bigger)
    So a camera body aimed to sports and wildlife (like the em1-x) makes sense IMO (for Olympus).
    For me the question: How much does one gain over the EM-1II?
    I think that the EM1X will stay the only camera that supports this AI based AF tricks we all have seen already from many reviews and presentations. I guess that AF will also be somehow faster and tracking in general more accurate. It will also be the only model (currently) that supports handheld high res shooting.

    If these features are what you are looking for then the EM1X will stay the only m43 camera (from Olympus) to go for. Some features of the EM1X will come though to the EM1.2 via FW updates ....

    I myself am on one side kind of intrigued to get it, on the other side I am not sure if I should not invest that money in some of the newer FF mirrorless offerings for things like better high ISO capabilities as well as being natively better suited for example for portrait photography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I think that the EM1X will stay the only camera that supports this AI based AF tricks we all have seen already from many reviews and presentations. I guess that AF will also be somehow faster and tracking in general more accurate. It will also be the only model (currently) that supports handheld high res shooting.

    If these features are what you are looking for then the EM1X will stay the only m43 camera (from Olympus) to go for. Some features of the EM1X will come though to the EM1.2 via FW updates ....

    I myself am on one side kind of intrigued to get it, on the other side I am not sure if I should not invest that money in some of the newer FF mirrorless offerings for things like better high ISO capabilities as well as being natively better suited for example for portrait photography.
    Without debating it to be a great camera with some unique features - in my case I find the price to steep for my taste. The Em1II as not worlds better than the Em1I and this looks again more like an evolutionory step. If they put in a better viewfinder and a new sensor it would be more attractive.
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    Re: New Olympus High End m43 Camera

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    Without debating it to be a great camera with some unique features - in my case I find the price to steep for my taste. The Em1II as not worlds better than the Em1I and this looks again more like an evolutionory step. If they put in a better viewfinder and a new sensor it would be more attractive.
    Completely agree!

    I was hoping for a 20MP BSI stacked sensor and an EVF with at least 3.6MP and 120fps refresh rate. Would have the new EM1X had these features I would have bought in a heartbeat.

    But now I am looking into going Panasonic S1/S1R FF in parallel to my m43 system and add only some selected lenses (maybe even Leica L-Mount) to my equipment. Actually selling some of my old M-lenses would help me finance this step and my way of thinking is that any of the newer FF lenses like the 2/75 or 1.4/50 would be much better suited for the way I take photos now and I would not miss any of the M lenses which unfortunately are still MF also if mounted to a L-mount camera.

    Sometimes these decisions like the one from Olympus for their EM1X really help to jump ships and adopt to equipment which is better suited for personal needs

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Completely agree!

    I was hoping for a 20MP BSI stacked sensor and an EVF with at least 3.6MP and 120fps refresh rate. Would have the new EM1X had these features I would have bought in a heartbeat.

    But now I am looking into going Panasonic S1/S1R FF in parallel to my m43 system and add only some selected lenses (maybe even Leica L-Mount) to my equipment. Actually selling some of my old M-lenses would help me finance this step and my way of thinking is that any of the newer FF lenses like the 2/75 or 1.4/50 would be much better suited for the way I take photos now and I would not miss any of the M lenses which unfortunately are still MF also if mounted to a L-mount camera.

    Sometimes these decisions like the one from Olympus for their EM1X really help to jump ships and adopt to equipment which is better suited for personal needs
    Well in reality the Panasonic doesnít add any of the technical desires that you were hoping for and itís unknown how itíll do with M lenses - but thereís a great chance that the L-Mount lenses will perform better than the M lenses (similar to how the R lenses were optically better than M but larger). So the real question is - do you see yourself ever buying another M body because if not maybe itís best to offload your lenses (that arenít unique like the Noctilux or the Mandler 75 Summilux) and buy native lenses for your future system of choice.

    Just my opinion thiugh. Iím sure the 50 Summilux L is probably superior to the M Summilux and maybe the Panasonic LUMIX S Pro 50 is too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    Iím sure the 50 Summilux L is probably superior to the M Summilux and maybe the Panasonic LUMIX S Pro 50 is too.
    It's certainly an order of magnitude larger.

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    Re: New Olympus High End m43 Camera

    Quote Originally Posted by faberryman View Post
    It's certainly an order of magnitude larger.
    Maybe but for many that doesnít matter above optical quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    Well in reality the Panasonic doesnít add any of the technical desires that you were hoping for and itís unknown how itíll do with M lenses - but thereís a great chance that the L-Mount lenses will perform better than the M lenses (similar to how the R lenses were optically better than M but larger). So the real question is - do you see yourself ever buying another M body because if not maybe itís best to offload your lenses (that arenít unique like the Noctilux or the Mandler 75 Summilux) and buy native lenses for your future system of choice.

    Just my opinion thiugh. Iím sure the 50 Summilux L is probably superior to the M Summilux and maybe the Panasonic LUMIX S Pro 50 is too.
    To be honest I very much agree with you! I might keep a small number of unique M lenses like the Nocti and the 1.4/75 and the 2/35 and 2/90, as these also reming me on some personal adventures I went through with them and just move on otherwise - I actually start liking this idea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    To be honest I very much agree with you! I might keep a small number of unique M lenses like the Nocti and the 1.4/75 and the 2/35 and 2/90, as these also remind me on some personal adventures I went through with them and just move on otherwise - I actually start liking this idea!
    Yeah... It's sort of the place I've come to in realizing that many of the newer premium mirrorless designs are technically superior to lenses made even 10-20 years ago. I still adapt when I want a specific look or just because it can be fun to adapt vintage lenses in general. In reality, though the one lens I miss from Leica M is the 35/2 Summicron version 5 because I haven't found a 35mm lens that is quite as good as it as a whole. The Sony Zeiss 35/1.4 gives me a lot of the optical magic but it's large. The Sony Zeiss 35/2.8 is a lens I only kept for 2-3 months before I offloaded it for an adapted Sigma 35 Art lens. The 35 Cron didn't play well with the high megapixel Sony cameras but it was "ok" with the first generation A7. The CV 35/1.2 version 2 was the only M mount lens I kept and it also played well with Sony cameras as well. It's a lens that great for people shots from 3-30 ft, but like most Voigtlanders isn't the best for landscapes or shooting at infinity.

    In any case, I think you'll like the convenience of having autofocus lenses available (assuming if functions well enough without needing to fight the camera) and I still think it's worth waiting a few months to be able to adequately test everything you may be considering all over again side by side - be it Nikon, Panasonic, Fuji, Canon, Sony, etc.
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    Tre my current favorite 35mm equivalent lens GF45.
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    Tre my current favorite 35mm equivalent lens GF45.
    I still havenít made up my mind on Fuji systems as a whole. I love what theyíre doing over there but there always seems to be something holding me back from them personally.
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    I still havenít made up my mind on Fuji systems as a whole. I love what theyíre doing over there but there always seems to be something holding me back from them personally.

    Tre I agree with you that the Fuji GFX 50S would not work for me if it was my only camera. Hopefully the 100S improves across the board.

    Maybe one picture (27 focus stacked images) taken with the GF45 is okay to post here.

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    Re: New Olympus High End m43 Camera

    Friday March 1st. Based on the latest info from my local shop, that's when I expect to pick up my E-M1X in Anchorage.

    Lots of discussion about the camera in this thread Has anyone else here actually placed a pre-order or have definite plans to buy one when it is released?

    It will certainly be an interesting contrast to the Sigma sd Quattro I've been shooting with lately.

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    Re: New Olympus High End m43 Camera

    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    Friday March 1st. Based on the latest info from my local shop, that's when I expect to pick up my E-M1X in Anchorage.

    Lots of discussion about the camera in this thread . Has anyone else here actually placed a pre-order or have definite plans to buy one when it is released?

    It will certainly be an interesting contrast to the Sigma sd Quattro I've been shooting with lately.

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    Not sure why to compare the EM1X to the Sigma by any means these are definitely totally different beasts.

    No I have not any plans to buy an EM1X (I know from my experience I should never say never) but as from what I know about this camera it is just so much in a different direction as what I expect from the future of m43. I still am happily shooting with my EM1.2 and from what I heard there will be a lot of FW upgrades coming for this camera that will improve it's functionality even more.

    When I am up to spending €/$ 3000.- it will for sure not be in m43 anymore. I will rather go FF and there are basically 2 paths that would be possible - first with Nikon Z7 as their lenses are simply marvellous and exactly what I expect from such a system, second with Panasonic S1R as there is huge potential in that mount through the L-mount alliance, but I will wait for another year or so before I finally decide and see how their lens systems work out by then.

    Fuji X would be another option but as I want to keep m43 for the I really need compact, the difference between m43 and APSC is still too small that this would justify the investment. I have just recently compared images taken with the EM1.2 and the X-T3 in both LR and C1Pro (latest SW updates) and simply cannot see a big advantage in IQ from any of these systems AND also RAW developers. So although the X-T3 and even more the upcoming X-H2 are very intriguing for me and I would like to own one of them, there is not enough difference between these 2 systems.

    Fuji GFX is simply too large and I never ever would go back into an MFD ecosystem, even with the most attractive prices. I also have no need for 100MP so any development in that direction is fine but clearly not for me. We are currently tight before the introduction of next generation high resolution FF sensors and these will be in the range of 60MP while the low end FF standard will become 36MP - so this already is pointing in a direction which I hardly will need.

    One simple remark WRT EM1X high res shooting mode with 50MP - comparing that to the Z7 or the S1R you have natively high res with around the same resolution without any potential of artefacts etc. So this alone rules out investing any money and effort in the Olympus EM1X.
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    Re: New Olympus High End m43 Camera

    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    Friday March 1st. Based on the latest info from my local shop, that's when I expect to pick up my E-M1X in Anchorage.

    Lots of discussion about the camera in this thread . Has anyone else here actually placed a pre-order or have definite plans to buy one when it is released?

    It will certainly be an interesting contrast to the Sigma sd Quattro I've been shooting with lately.

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    Olympus is coming to the local camera shop tomorrow so I may check it out if I have time but I donít have any real interest in the camera for myself to be 100% honest. The price is more than Iíd ever spend on Micro 4/3 but itís justified for a specific type of photographer IMO.
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    Re: New Olympus High End m43 Camera

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Not sure why to compare the EM1X to the Sigma by any means these are definitely totally different beasts.
    They certainly are Peter. For me the contrast of shooting experiences, capabilities and output between different cameras and lenses is clearly a big part of what I enjoy about photography. That and printing the resulting images.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post

    Lots of discussion about the camera in this thread Has anyone else here actually placed a pre-order or have definite plans to buy one when it is released?

    Gary
    I'm going to sit this one out.

    For my use the incremental advances over my EM1 Mk2 are just not worth the extra cost;
    and for ME the larger size and weight is a real downer - the EM1 Mk2 is already at or slightly beyond the limit
    of what I want to carry around as a travel camera.

    Even if its sensor performance and viewfinder were noticeably better than the EM1 Mk2 (the improvements I really want)
    and I was prepared to carry the extra weight, the bulk of the built-in grip (with my prefered lens combinations) means that I would have to abandon my
    two as small as I can get away with camera bags, and they too are at the limit of the size I want to carry around.

    Maybe I'm just not as interested in equipment as I used to be - In my old age I just enjoy walking around taking photographs; my professional days of a Volvo estate packed full of cameras, lighting, tripods, ladder etc. and a back-up for every eventuality within my control, are well behind me.
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    Re: New Olympus High End m43 Camera

    Quote Originally Posted by Elderly View Post
    I'm going to sit this one out.
    For my use the incremental advances over my EM1 Mk2 are just not worth the extra cost; and for ME the larger size and weight is a real downer - the EM1 Mk2 is already at or slightly beyond the limit of what I want to carry around as a travel camera.
    I certainly agree with you about wanting to minimize the size and weight of a travel camera kit. With the exception of trips specifically for motorsports or similar activities I wonít be traveling with the E-M1X. A pair of GX8s is still my preferred travel combo.

    I think the E-M1X will be a significant upgrade from my only Olympus body, the E-M1.1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elderly View Post
    I'm going to sit this one out.

    For my use the incremental advances over my EM1 Mk2 are just not worth the extra cost;
    and for ME the larger size and weight is a real downer - the EM1 Mk2 is already at or slightly beyond the limit
    of what I want to carry around as a travel camera.

    Even if its sensor performance and viewfinder were noticeably better than the EM1 Mk2 (the improvements I really want)
    and I was prepared to carry the extra weight, the bulk of the built-in grip (with my prefered lens combinations) means that I would have to abandon my
    two as small as I can get away with camera bags, and they too are at the limit of the size I want to carry around.

    Maybe I'm just not as interested in equipment as I used to be - In my old age I just enjoy walking around taking photographs; my professional days of a Volvo estate packed full of cameras, lighting, tripods, ladder etc. and a back-up for every eventuality within my control, are well behind me.
    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    I certainly agree with you about wanting to minimize the size and weight of a travel camera kit. With the exception of trips specifically for motorsports or similar activities I wonít be traveling with the E-M1X. A pair of GX8s is still my preferred travel combo.

    I think the E-M1X will be a significant upgrade from my only Olympus body, the E-M1.1.

    Gary
    E-M1.2 and E-M1X major upgrades over E-M1.
    E-M1X over E-M1.2 too marginal for me.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Re: New Olympus High End m43 Camera

    I'm waiting until the end of the year. If I decide to do more professional work by then, I'll probably buy the E-M1X or one of the top Panasonic models, probably in addition to one (cheap) full frame body. The new Canon is tempting, since it's as small as most high end m4/3 bodies and will do what I need it to do, low light and portraits.

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    I'll wait and see what trickles down to the E-M1II in firmware upgrades.
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