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yet I've heard of people, possible the same people, hail Fuji APS-C as the "new full-frame".
Sorry for the delay. Busy and stuff.Great shots Ricardo!
How do you like the EM5III so far (given that you have lot of experience with similar cameras)?
The X-Pro3 is clearly tempting for me as a GX8 user, but it would be a costly exercise. I've gotten used to the "box shape" with the GX8 and GM5, and would prefer not to go back to an SLR style camera unless there's an OVF hidden in that bump.Ricardo, Jorgen,
many thanks for your honest opinions!
I must say as an owner of the EM1.2 I am not intrigued of buying an EM5III anyway, bad sadly they obviously made a number of not so great changes to this camera.
On the other hand I am more and more attracted by the X-Pro3 and will try one out soon. I could see this as being my go to everyday camera with a 2/23, 1.4/35 and a 18-55 for the beginning. The AF should be fast enough from all I have read (seen) so far.
I will see begin of 2020 .....
Yes the X-Pro3 is expensive indeed and currently owning no Fuji glass would even mean more investment. This is the main reason I am currently hesitating.The X-Pro3 is clearly tempting for me as a GX8 user, but it would be a costly exercise. I've gotten used to the "box shape" with the GX8 and GM5, and would prefer not to go back to an SLR style camera unless there's an OVF hidden in that bump.
I can have my EM5 3 hang from my hand as a grip. But I would say that grips and sizes are an issue of preference. I would take the smaller and lighter of the EM5 3 over the GX8 any day. Key thing also is that the EM5.3 improved the built in grip aspect over the EM5.2.I tried the E-M5 III yesterday, and while it's a beautiful little camera with great specs, I was a bit disappointed. My basis for comparison is the GX8 that I use on a daily basis:
- The shorter body with the shallow grip makes the ergonomics suffer. It's simply more difficult to reach vital functions with the right hand, and there are fewer physical buttons and switches. Also, the E-M5 can't hang from two fingers like the GX8 can.
There is- you have to turn off the AUTO-EV/LCD switch. You can do this in the Gear Wheel-> I menu or press and hold the display button and it will bring up the option to set that auto switch on/off. Set it to OFF. After that press the button to select manually between LCD or EVF- the EVF will stay on.- There doesn't seem to be a way to keep the EVF "always on", so there's a slight delay when I bring the camera up to my eye (correct me if I'm wrong). It's a distraction, and I don't like it.
Correct and it's one of the complaints I highlighted above. Ironic that some Olympus cameras do this. What the hell was Olympus thinking? They said it was easier for video.. somehow (I don't see how). I really hate the idea they prioritized "for video" here if there's validity to it. They should have the option.- The camera doesn't automatically switch to "EVF only" when the LCD is turned in towards the body, so there's probably no sensor that registers that. Again, the GX8 does that, so I always leave my LCD/EVF to "LCD only" and let the camera switch when I don't use the LCD.
Not sure I can quite agree with that. Thought the GX8 is a upper-top tier camera.- Surprisingly, AF seemed less responsive thatn with the Panasonic. This was with the 17mm f/1.8, and while AF with the GX8 (and most other recent Panasonic bodies that I've used) is almost instant with all primes and fast zooms, this was clearly not.
The PenF single biggest problem is that it is using the 20MP sensor with one generation behind (vs EM5.3/EM1.2) cpu. You can tell it could use a boost. Other than that the PenF has some of the best image quality I have seen in m43rds, to the point that it makes me not envy Fuji. The JPEG engine is fantastic (I still give Fuji the edge though if it comes to metrics).So no E-M5 for me this time. I also tried the Pen-F (still available here) and E-M1 X, and much of the above go for those cameras too. It's a pity that the GX8 was never replaced. I would have loved one with the G9 specs. Buying a third, second hand body is actually something that I consider.
I would say if you have the EM1.2 and you like it, and are ok with the size and weight- there's *zero* reason to get the EM5.3. The proposition of the EM5.3 is pretty much "most of the Em1.2 at a lighter smaller size." If that doesn't peek your interest, skip.Ricardo, Jorgen,
many thanks for your honest opinions!
I must say as an owner of the EM1.2 I am not intrigued of buying an EM5III anyway, bad sadly they obviously made a number of not so great changes to this camera.
The Xpro3 sure feels nice. I just decided if I am going back to Fuji, the best match probably for me is still an XT30, though I wonder how the AF differs.On the other hand I am more and more attracted by the X-Pro3 and will try one out soon. I could see this as being my go to everyday camera with a 2/23, 1.4/35 and a 18-55 for the beginning. The AF should be fast enough from all I have read (seen) so far.
I will see begin of 2020 .....
If you are going Fuji vs a Z7, I would say you need to consider the OVF, the JPEG color, the overall Fuji interface. If you like that better, then that's a reason to go Fuji.Yes the X-Pro3 is expensive indeed and currently owning no Fuji glass would even mean more investment. This is the main reason I am currently hesitating.
For the same money one can buy easily a Z7 with 4/24-70 and F mount adapter, that I also could use for my Leica M lenses. Would actually make more sense, but I am still undecided.
Fun factor of the X-Pro3 would be higher for me I guess
Sizes are "relative". Some of the measurments of the Z6/7 are actually smaller than those of the X-Pro3, but the bumps of the Nikon make it bulkier when packing. Lenses is a different story of course, and that also goes for telephoto lenses when comparing Fuji with M43. Look at the Fuji 90mm f/2 compared to the Zuiko 75mm f/1.8 as an example.If you are going Fuji vs a Z7, I would say you need to consider the OVF, the JPEG color, the overall Fuji interface. If you like that better, then that's a reason to go Fuji.
The Nikon is pretty nice, but also bigger, and the lenses are bigger. Again, tradeoffs. Nikon ergonomics are really good.
There really isn't a "bad" camera now. You have to look at what you prioritize you want and try to match best. Sometimes not so easy (looks at self).
They probably wanted you to buy a GX9. Unfortunately, that camera is neither a GX8 II nor a GM9. While it's a nice camera, it lacks the high-end features of the GX8 (better viewfinder, microphone socket, physical controls etc.) and the size advantage of the GM5, and uses the battery of neither.Reason is the camera I really wanted is a "Panasonic Lumix GM9" that will never happen :-(
- Ricardo
The lenses on m43rds here are irrelevant. I am talking specifically on Fuji vs the Nikon. The Z7 overall has a higher volume, harder to pack (grip and EVF protrusion). Lenses are bigger than the Fuji- there's zero native lenses for the Nikon right now that are very small though some of those are coming. Fuji has them out already. I stand by my comment on that size.Sizes are "relative". Some of the measurments of the Z6/7 are actually smaller than those of the X-Pro3, but the bumps of the Nikon make it bulkier when packing. Lenses is a different story of course, and that also goes for telephoto lenses when comparing Fuji with M43. Look at the Fuji 90mm f/2 compared to the Zuiko 75mm f/1.8 as an example.
I did get a GX9 which I need to sell now. It has almost all I wanted except GM class size, the fact the rear wheel started to get "jumpy" on me (not good considering the GX850 did the same thing)- and thanks to Ming Thein- the claim that it doesn't focus as exact as say a PenF, which I was able to reproduce to an extent. The EVF is pretty bad as lacking DR (seems like 8-bit/6-bit color) and differs from the LCD>. That said, other than the Rea wheel issue, it's still a nice camera.They probably wanted you to buy a GX9. Unfortunately, that camera is neither a GX8 II nor a GM9. While it's a nice camera, it lacks the high-end features of the GX8 (better viewfinder, microphone socket, physical controls etc.) and the size advantage of the GM5, and uses the battery of neither.
From a financial point of view, the only thing that makes sense is to keep what I have and buy the latest model when it's not latest anymore, so this is probably what I'll do. Prices of second hand M43 lenses have fallen a lot lately here in Thailand. To me, that means "buy" not "sell" :ROTFL:
I'm sure it will. The I and II both were :thumbup:Sorry for writing all this in an EM5III thread - but hey, maybe the new EM1.3 that comes in early 2020 will be so mind-blowing that I could just stay with m43?
The Panasonic L mount is simply not selling.I'm sure it will. The I and II both were :thumbup:
There's a mint Panasonic S1 with the 24-105mm for sale locally here btw., for $2,300. Very tempting.
This is more or less what I also feel! At least here in Austria not much interest in the community.The Panasonic L mount is simply not selling.
- Ricardo
You know the saying. Don't try to catch falling knifes. L-mount prices will head only one way. On paper the L-mount alliance convinces. In reality though, size and weight of what they want an aging FF camera customer base to lug around will hardly find a lot of buyers.I'm sure it will. The I and II both were :thumbup:
There's a mint Panasonic S1 with the 24-105mm for sale locally here btw., for $2,300. Very tempting.