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    Olympus picture leak

    I suppose that by now a lot of people here have seen this picture from the Hong Kong OMUser forum (and pointed out by 1001 Noisy Cameras...?)



    My quick reactions:

    -- This doesn't look like a Photoshop patch job; I suspect it's authentic, although who knows whether this is a final-version camera or an earlier prototype...?

    -- They've done a good job of mimicking the plan-view shape of the Pen FT, with the right-hand side longer than the left and tapering away from the lens. The taper seems to be just a cosmetic shaping of the top cover, though; the actual body looks pretty chunky.

    -- The contrasting brushed and shiny metal trim bits look cool and should give it that gotta-have-it vibe for fans of shiny metal bits.

    -- On the other hand, there aren't a lot of visible controls; I wonder whether you'll have to resort to menus to access common functions...?

    -- Since I do a lot of low-light shooting, it's hard for me to get too excited about a lens with a maximum aperture of f/2.8, although I like the small size and it's very cool-looking.

    -- I'll probably wind up wishing I could have one, but sticking to my Panasonic G1 because of its eye-level finder option and discrete controls.

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    Oh boy, just a week to go...

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    Yes, unfortunately this might be it.
    Well I like the camera, but hope they release another body maybe next year, that fits serious enthusiasts better. (sort of micro E-1)

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    I'll buy it just for the 17/2.8, I'd rather have it than a 20/1.7

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    Re: Olympus picture leak

    Cool! I'm excited. This is about what I expected it to be from the tidbits that have been leaking out. It will be interesting to see what lenses they come out with. There said to be several lenses coming. Hopefully they have view finders for each and that there is some kind of electrical coupling if an OVF to give a confirm light that you've gotten focus. Hard to see a control wheel near the thumb rest and one would certainly be vital for ajusting the lens aperture.

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    that looks so nice! I wonder if I'll be regretting jumping onto my G1 any time soon?

    I've always like the Trip 35 ... and this looks just like it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Cool! I'm excited. This is about what I expected it to be from the tidbits that have been leaking out. It will be interesting to see what lenses they come out with. There said to be several lenses coming. Hopefully they have view finders for each and that there is some kind of electrical coupling if an OVF to give a confirm light that you've gotten focus. Hard to see a control wheel near the thumb rest and one would certainly be vital for ajusting the lens aperture.
    They really dont need a viewfinder for each lens, since the viewfinder will be EVF. All it will be doing is showing the image that sensor gets from the lens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photomorgana View Post
    They really dont need a viewfinder for each lens, since the viewfinder will be EVF. All it will be doing is showing the image that sensor gets from the lens.
    But is there an EVF? I'm afraid there will be an LCD only. If that is so I guess some will want optional optical finders, as par Terry's post.

    I don't think I'll be interested in any camera not having a viewfinder. And having to add one seems clumsy and unpractical. Why have a small camera if one needs to add essential things to it to use it.

    OTOH, some will do fine with an LCD only.

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    Doesn't it look lovely-
    there's a sideways picture at http://43rumors.com/
    there is a little black thing on the right hand side which could be a thumb wheel.
    Jonas - I'm pretty sure there will be no evf, and no built in flash either. It's possible there will be a plug in EVF to go in the hotshoe though (rather like the Ricoh plug in, but hopefully much better).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    But is there an EVF?.....
    Well, there´s a thingamajig marked "SSWF". Of course, this must be the new SuperSonic ViewFinder.....

    Meaning, you get to see what happens BEFORE the shutter sound arrives....

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    This seems to be the consumer one... i am keen on the pro one.... with OVF
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    Quote Originally Posted by kweide View Post
    This seems to be the consumer one... i am keen on the pro one.... with OVF
    Klaus - I think this is meant to be a top of the range one, at least, certainly not a consumer one, that'll come later.
    Whether they do one with an OVF is very questionable - I'd love it if they did one like a rangefinder with a fixed focal length, and with an overlay of framelines and focus confirmation depending on the lens / zoom etc. being used. Ideally you could have 3, one for wide angle lenses, one for mid and another for longer lenses (rather like the three different rangefinders available on the M7 . . but without having to change cameras).

    It's possible that they could have done this with the E-P1, with plugin viewfinders. I'm not really sure how else they could do it.

    Whatever, 'pro version' with an OVF sounds unlikely to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Doesn't it look lovely-
    there's a sideways picture at http://43rumors.com/
    there is a little black thing on the right hand side which could be a thumb wheel.
    Jonas - I'm pretty sure there will be no evf, and no built in flash either. It's possible there will be a plug in EVF to go in the hotshoe though (rather like the Ricoh plug in, but hopefully much better).
    So, plug in EVF *or* plug in flash, but not both at the same time?

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    So, plug in EVF *or* plug in flash, but not both at the same time?

    Cheers

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    Looks like it doesn't it
    Personally I can't imagine using flash with it anyway . . . but I can see it would be a limitation for some.
    Actually, I won't use a plug in EVF either . . a plug in OVF would be a different matter.

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    why you would link this to "pro version" I dont know,if it has no built in viewfinder then its just another point and shoot.the lx3 would be a better buy,the lens is faster and the sensor is not that much smaller.

    there must be more to this camera than has been leaked.

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    ... pro or not pro... it looks beautiful. I really hope the Zuikos are fully compatible incl. AF
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    Quote Originally Posted by nei1 View Post
    why you would link this to "pro version" I dont know,if it has no built in viewfinder then its just another point and shoot.the lx3 would be a better buy,the lens is faster and the sensor is not that much smaller.

    there must be more to this camera than has been leaked.
    HI Neil
    the sensor in the LX3 is MUCH SMALLER:

    Pixel density:
    LX3: 24
    EP1: 5
    D3x: 2.8

    on this measure, the sensor on the LX3 is 1/5th the size of the Olympus sensor, which is only half the size of the Nikon

    It has interchangeable lenses, you can put a 24mm f1.4 on it if you want to (and can afford it) - or a 50mm 0.95.

    I actually agree about the optical viewfinder, but there is nothing to stop you putting one in the hot shoe (they are going to provide them)

    as for 'pro' silly word anyway, it's just that it's built well rather than cheaply.

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    I started with an om1,have very fond memories of it and would like this new olympus that promises to be as revolutionary as the om1 was in its day to be a sucess. However its difficult to see why after so complicated a publicity campaign that it seems a pen f is an impossibility,I frankly dont believe that this is the case and wonder why the camera that we all want cant be made.

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    Looking really nice... just a hint of pen f retro - may have preferred it in black ...looks a little too shiny.

    Also looks like it has video - there is a movie camera icon on the mode dial

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    No pop up! I am sold already!

    It is now official that I am getting rid off my Nikon stuff!!

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    Hi

    like you my first SLR was an OM-1 ... but

    Quote Originally Posted by nei1 View Post
    I started with an om1... wonder why the camera that we all want cant be made.
    would that be one camera?

    anyway, for me at least I really (really) like this design. The only fly on the ointment would be if it doesn't have a tilt swivel screen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Per Ofverbeck View Post
    Well, there´s a thingamajig marked "SSWF". Of course, this must be the new SuperSonic ViewFinder.....

    Meaning, you get to see what happens BEFORE the shutter sound arrives....
    I think SSWF is what Olympus calls their dustbuster.

    scott

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    Is that just an LED that lights up when dustbusting is happening?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nei1 View Post
    However its difficult to see why after so complicated a publicity campaign that it seems a pen f is an impossibility,I frankly dont believe that this is the case and wonder why the camera that we all want cant be made.
    HI Neil
    because a pen F, being a true SLR has a mirror assembly, which means that:
    1. the lens registration distance is much greater than for this camera, which means that if they had done that you would no longer be able to use leica lenses etc.
    2. the lenses and camera itself would have been bigger (this should be smaller than a pen F).

    What is true, is that they should be able to make a standard 4/3 camera the size of the pen F . . . and, actually, the E450 isn't that much bigger.

    hope this helps

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    there is apparently Pen F adapter too Jono

    anyone have a resource for Pen F lenses ?
    like a list or something

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Is that just an LED that lights up when dustbusting is happening?
    yes

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    It looks like the "poor man's digital back" for my view camera that I've been waiting for lo these many years is soon to arrive! Because Olympus has wisely chosen not to follow in Panasonic's faux-DSLR footsteps and is (apparently) leaving off the grip on the right side of the body, the EP-1 should work well in this application and require only a simple adapter in order to attach it to my Toyo view camera's rear standard. I will miss the articulated LCD, but it's nowhere near a deal killer.

    If this is indeed the final form-factor for the EP-1, then I will order one as Amazon.com starts accepting pre-orders. I can't wait to start shooting stitched images with my 38mm Zeiss Biogon (adapted from a Hasselblad SWC) and 50mm Mamiya Press Biogon-clone lenses again!

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    Well I'm going to have to get one as soon as I can, I won't be able to sleep at night otherwise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audii-Dudii View Post
    It looks like the "poor man's digital back"
    uh oh...
    why do i get the feeling he's going to saw the front off this thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riley View Post
    uh oh...
    why do i get the feeling he's going to saw the front off this thing...
    I've actually contemplated doing that to my G1 (who needs the built-in flash, anyway?) and as you know, I did do some surgery on my L1 the first time I attempted to accomplish this. Fortunately, it appears no body modifications will be required of the EP-1, which is why I'm starting to get so excited about it.

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    L00ks useless...unless you're a blind hip-shoot'r...cute, though...

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    there is apparently Pen F adapter too Jono

    anyone have a resource for Pen F lenses ?
    like a list or something
    http://biofos.com/coll/subcoll/slrpen.html

    http://skipwilliams.com/olympus/pen-lit.htm

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    thanks Monza
    some pricey little suckers there, considering they dont fit anything else !

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    I'll buy it just for the 17/2.8, I'd rather have it than a 20/1.7
    But, but... everyone knows that 40mm (EFoV) is the perfect focal length.

    And the 17/2.8 is one and a half stops slower!

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    But, but...I like 35mm field of view better...

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    It looks cool, but the apparent lack of aperture or shutter dial is disappointing and not to sound negative, but those dang strap lugs look awfully close to the ones on the E420, hope they don't disrupt the grip, like they do on the E400 series.

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    Another thing that would be nice, is to have a distance scale on the lens, since there is no viewfinder, but that probably would have made the lens larger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riley View Post
    thanks Monza
    some pricey little suckers there, considering they dont fit anything else !
    Yes pricey, but nice...
    Oly-pen 60mm at f1.5

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    It's curious how a $2500 Leica lens is considered ok, but $600 or so for a Pen lens is pricey

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    It's curious how a $2500 Leica lens is considered ok, but $600 or so for a Pen lens is pricey
    I agree

    Well, $600 for 42/1.2 or 60/1.5 is fine. (I think its too much for 38/1.8 although its a good lens too.

    I am contemplating what to buy next... (I have the major players 42mm and 60mm)
    So what should I go for - 20/3.5 or 38/3.5 or 250/5

    Any feedback about these lenses?

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    20/3.5 -- very nice.
    38/3.5 -- my favorite pen lens.
    250/5 -- small and light for a 500mm effective (on the G1 of course.) preset aperture, rotating lens mount makes vertical/horizontal switch easy. sharp for a 40 year old lens but won't be nearly as sharp and contrasty as a modern tele zoom.

    I've used all the Pen lenses except the 25/4, 38 pancake, 42, the 100-200 zoom, and the very rare teles 400mm and higher.

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    If this is it, it is beautiful. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    20/3.5 -- very nice.
    38/3.5 -- my favorite pen lens.
    250/5 -- small and light for a 500mm effective (on the G1 of course.) preset aperture, rotating lens mount makes vertical/horizontal switch easy. sharp for a 40 year old lens but won't be nearly as sharp and contrasty as a modern tele zoom.

    I've used all the Pen lenses except the 25/4, 38 pancake, 42, the 100-200 zoom, and the very rare teles 400mm and higher.
    I guess I will get all of them
    (42mm is little soft wide open but its catching up before you even make a next click at f2)
    I wanted to get 400mm but $1800 is too much I think.
    How about 25/2.8 have you tried this one, is it good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI Neil
    because a pen F, being a true SLR has a mirror assembly, which means that:
    1. the lens registration distance is much greater than for this camera, which means that if they had done that you would no longer be able to use leica lenses etc.
    2. the lenses and camera itself would have been bigger (this should be smaller than a pen F).

    What is true, is that they should be able to make a standard 4/3 camera the size of the pen F . . . and, actually, the E450 isn't that much bigger.

    hope this helps
    thankyou Jono,perhaps I should have made it more obvious what I meant:-

    couldnt they have folded an evf into the camera ,a la pen f,then if I didnt like using the evf I could use an optical accesory finder.
    Also while understanding the desire to use leica glass on the camera in my case to have a standard field of view would mean buying new glass and as youve(think it was you Jono) said before over the 4:3 concept with their lenses needing less correction,olympus should make the best lenses for this camera.Im sure this is going to be a beautiful camera but if the rumour mill for the samsung includes a proper viewfinder it might be more interesting............Neil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    If this is it, it is beautiful. :-)
    look at the EXIF on the top view image
    look at the firmware version

    that should tell you something....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riley View Post
    look at the EXIF on the top view image
    look at the firmware version

    that should tell you something....
    Ok, what was I supposed to notice?

    From Irfanview :
    ImageDescription - OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA
    Make - OLYMPUS IMAGING CORP.
    Model - u830,S830
    Orientation - Top left
    XResolution - 72
    YResolution - 72
    ResolutionUnit - Inch
    Software - Version 0.9
    DateTime - 0000:00:00 00:00:00
    YCbCrPositioning - Co-Sited
    ExifOffset - 158
    ExposureTime - 1/13 seconds
    FNumber - 3.30
    ExposureProgram - Normal program
    ISOSpeedRatings - 200
    ExifVersion - 0221
    DateTimeOriginal - 0000:00:00 00:00:00
    DateTimeDigitized - 0000:00:00 00:00:00
    ComponentsConfiguration - YCbCr
    ExposureBiasValue - 0.00
    MaxApertureValue - F 3.29
    MeteringMode - Multi-segment
    LightSource - Auto
    Flash - Flash not fired, compulsory flash mode
    FocalLength - 6.40 mm
    UserComment -
    FlashPixVersion - 0100
    ColorSpace - sRGB
    ExifImageWidth - 640
    ExifImageHeight - 480
    InteroperabilityOffset - 614
    FileSource - DSC - Digital still camera
    CustomRendered - Normal process
    ExposureMode - Auto
    White Balance - Auto
    DigitalZoomRatio - 1.00 x
    SceneCaptureType - Standard
    GainControl - High gain up
    Contrast - Normal
    Saturation - Normal
    Sharpness - Normal

    Maker Note (Vendor): -

    Thumbnail: -
    Compression - 6 (JPG)
    XResolution - 72
    YResolution - 72
    ResolutionUnit - Inch
    JpegIFOffset - 8756
    JpegIFByteCount - 4634

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    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    Ok, what was I supposed to notice?

    ImageDescription - OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA
    Make - OLYMPUS IMAGING CORP.
    Model - u830,S830
    Software - Version 0.9
    DateTime - 0000:00:00 00:00:00
    DateTimeOriginal - 0000:00:00 00:00:00
    DateTimeDigitized - 0000:00:00 00:00:00
    those things

    but what i especially referred to was

    Software - Version 0.9
    thats a pre release firmware
    Q/ where would one get that from ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nei1 View Post

    couldnt they have folded an evf into the camera ,a la pen f,then if I didnt like using the evf I could use an optical accesory finder.
    Well, apparently not . . and keep it that small, the pen f had an OVF, but of course you knew that.
    Quote Originally Posted by nei1 View Post
    Also while understanding the desire to use leica glass on the camera in my case to have a standard field of view would mean buying new glass and as youve(think it was you Jono) said before over the 4:3 concept with their lenses needing less correction,olympus should make the best lenses for this camera.
    Well, it remains to be seen whether they will employ lens correction (I do hope not). But the point isn't so much being able to use leica glass, as being able to use lots of existing lenses (some of which are very cheap), including all the existing 4/3 lenses (many of which will AF as well).
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    Im sure this is going to be a beautiful camera but if the rumour mill for the samsung includes a proper viewfinder it might be more interesting............Neil.
    Well, okay, but if the Samsung uses a new mount it'll come with very few lenses, and although they've made some very pretty p&s cameras, they don't have a grand heritage in quality glass (of course, Pentax might do it for them, but this sounds doubtful).

    Personally I really wish that this had some kind of an optical viewfinder, but the size and the multiplicity of lenses which already exist (and, of course, the possibility of putting any viewfinder on the hot shoe) seems to me to make it a bird in the hand.

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    Re: Olympus picture leak

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    those things

    but what i especially referred to was



    thats a pre release firmware
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    HI Riley
    I do agree, mind you, the mju 830 is nothing new!

    mju830

    Still, maybe they took the picture with a very old prototype.

    I do believe in the picture though - it just looks real

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