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    The consensus E-P 1 leak has arrived

    ...and it looks like this distillation courtesy of Electronista.

    My off-the-top-of-the-head reaction is a mixture of ho-hum and what-the...? Spec-wise, it seems as if Oly has the hat, but Pana has all the cattle: for example, is 7 min of 720p video going to cut it with the techno-kids in this day and age?

    On the other hand, the ISO range up to 6400 sounds interesting; wonder how it will look...? And if the 17/2.8 lens really comes in at a selling price of $101, it's going to be almost a no-brainer purchase for any Micro Four Thirds owner regardless of brand loyalty.

    And then there are the looks. Compared to the Panasonic family, the E-P 1 doesn't really have much going for it (aside from the ISO 6400 and in-body stabilization) except that it's small and cute. Then again, being small and cute is the only thing that let any of us survive to make it out of infancy, so it's best not to underestimate that factor!

    Incidentally, the big eyebrow-raiser for me in the Electronista post was the statement that the E- P 1 has a "3 CCD sensor." However, when I read the 43Rumors post that formed the main source of the Electronista post, I saw that it actually reads "3 LCD". I'm guessing that means 3-inch LCD, which would be a pretty typical specification on this size of camera.

    The Xitek forum has some nice big photos of a lot of the system components, but I won't embed them because I think the moderators don't like that. Speaking of cute, though, check out the add-on flash unit; if anything, it's even cuter than the camera!

    Should be a fun topic when all this becomes official!

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    Re: The consensus E-P 1 leak has arrived

    They still haven't said anything about the viewfinder and if it is "dumb" or has some electronic communication with the camera.

    I surely hope their pricing is wrong. I thought it might be the body and a two lens kit for $800-$1000. Body only over $900 seems high and even more so if the viewfinder has no functionality.

    The white is growing on me. LOL.

    Just my two cents.

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    Looks like a girlycam. Where's the black one? One like the new safari DL4 would be cool too.

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    Re: The consensus E-P 1 leak has arrived

    It's a "dumb" optical view finder....

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    Quote Originally Posted by clay stewart View Post
    Looks like a girlycam. Where's the black one?
    You can get chrome with a black insert; your Y chromosome will have to be satisfied with that.

    Not that white is unmanly. Refrigerators are white. (What's closer to a real man's heart than his refrigerator?) Saturn V rockets were white. The Sako Finnlight is available in white (sorry, couldn't find a picture.) It's just the beige insert that's perhaps a bit uber-fashionista.

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    ... ähem... it says 3 CCD Sensor. If that is true, we see a new Sensor generation ! Or is it due bad translation ???
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    The flash is cute. Perhaps the price of that is $101/- and not that of the 17/2.8.

    How would one use a flash and the huge viewfinder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnastovall View Post
    It's a "dumb" optical view finder....
    That's going to make it difficult to focus Leica lenses.
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    I like cameras that don't draw attention, for street photos. Light and shiny objects tend to draw attention. Sort of the same principal as looking at a photograph and you notice that your eyes are first drawn to the brightest part of the image.

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    With a "dumb" optical viewfinder, it is back to digiscoping!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kweide View Post
    ... ähem... it says 3 CCD Sensor. If that is true, we see a new Sensor generation ! Or is it due bad translation ???
    As buried in my original post, I think it's just Electronista getting the typing yips.

    Their source, the 43Rumors post, says "3 [something] LCD." And that apparently comes from this Xitek post, which (on my system at least) shows an undisplayable Asian character.

    My inference is simply that the leaked specs say the camera has a 3-inch LCD display. That would be a reasonable size for a camera with this body size.

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    With an OM adapter, there must be support for manual focusing, hopefully it will be via a magnified central part of the view

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    I surely hope their pricing is wrong. I thought it might be the body and a two lens kit for $800-$1000. Body only over $900 seems high and even more so if the viewfinder has no functionality.
    This is probably Japanese market pricing with currency conversion. One would bet there will be market-specific pricing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    My inference is simply that the leaked specs say the camera has a 3-inch LCD display. That would be a reasonable size for a camera with this body size.
    Considering a full frame D700 has a 3 inch LCD, this is a huge LCD on such a small camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Considering a full frame D700 has a 3 inch LCD, this is a huge LCD on such a small camera.
    True, although the fashion for compact digicams seems to be to have the LCD occupy almost the entire area of the back.

    A 3-inch-diagonal LCD like the one Nikon uses is about 2 inches high, right? If the line drawing of the back shown in the Xitek post is accurate, the monitor is about 68% of the height of the camera body, which (again according to Xitek) is 75mm. 68% of 75mm is 51.26mm, which is 2.01 inches.

    Allowing for the fact that I'm using 'way too many significant digits for such a rough calculation, I figure that confirms that the E-P 1 will have a "3-inch" LCD on the back.

    Hmmm... humongous LCD plus add-on optical finder. Remember months ago when, commenting on the "blue cloth" photo of the Olympus display, I joked that the blue cloth was a sample of the cleaning cloth that would be included with every E-P 1 to clean nose prints off the LCD? And people were razzing me because "with no eye-level finder, you won't get nose prints on the LCD"? Well, all I can say now is, "Neener, neener!"

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    Re: The consensus E-P 1 leak has arrived

    Well
    Maybe it's right, but it seems to me that most of that stuff comes from 43 rumours anyway.

    I don't think there is anything new here apart from a few shots.

    let's see what actually is announced tomorrow

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    No built-in viewfinder = not a replacement for the Minox 35 and similar Oly models. And certainly not at the $ price.
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    under 12 ounces with a metal body. nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    under 12 ounces with a metal body. nice.
    And, apparently, a choice of red, green or black lens caps!

    ...at least for the 17mm lens. And you've gotta like the engraved gothic character (recalling the "gothic F" engraved on the front shoulder of the original Pen F, but presumably this isn't an "F"... is it a "P"? [oops, Monza found a pic that shows it really IS an F. See below.])

    I also like the look of the thumb-roller input dial -- although if the camera body really is only 75mm high, my own personal thumb would overshoot it by about 20mm.

    The sample images look nice (although when do sample images ever not?)
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    Looks like an F to me!




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    You're right, of course. But why? If the camera is called the "E-P 1," what's F got to do with it?

    At least this picture shows why the grip insert on the white one is beige: to match the INNER surface of the white leather neckstrap and case. Now that is really a coordinated accessory.

    Maybe the F stands for "fashion"...

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    The thing about the white one is that you surely won't be able to confuse it with any other small cam.

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    pixels: 12.300.000
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    The thing about the white one is that you surely won't be able to confuse it with any other small cam.
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    Just don't throw it in the same bag as your Kennedy K1 Monobar...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    Just don't throw it in the same bag as your Kennedy K1 Monobar...

    I regret not buying a fabulous sample with 2 backs, etc and the whole works, a few years ago.

    I have a Hama (or Kenlock or something, same stuff- differently badged over time) bellows with all the movements. I have to add suitable fittings to it to use with my G1.

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    I notice they refer to it as PE-1 rather than EP-1--or did the poster add those captions on the sample pics.

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    It answers 75%/80% of what is ideal for ME . I want the kit with 2 lenses and VF at 949 euro .But only after the initial rush, first firmware "upgrades" , and with a price that goes around 650 euro. So it will be for end summer 2010!
    BTW the leather half case is the most probably the most under rated and useful accessory there is. I have one on my GX100 and its a boon. Wonder if oly will also copy the Ricoh LC1 lens cap for the zoom lens? With this I would be on 90% of MY ideal camera. All I need then is a wireless remote and a flip out LCD . The C5050z finally replaced?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kweide View Post
    ... ähem... it says 3 CCD Sensor. If that is true, we see a new Sensor generation ! Or is it due bad translation ???
    bad translation, probably from the 3" LCD spec transposed

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    Re: The consensus E-P 1 leak has arrived

    From a DPReview interview with Akira Watanabe, product planning manager of Olympus's SLR division at the E-P1 launch event in Berlin:
    "When we launched Four Thirds we created a roadmap in response to calls from the market, we arranged them into a series of priorities and started to create those lenses. In Spring, we will launch at least a wide zoom or a high magnification zoom after that we will listen to voices from the market. If customers request prime lenses first, they'll be first on our priorities list."

    These primes could follow the compact, 'pancake' design of the 17mm lens launched today: "this is our second pancake lens, following the 25mm F2.8 Four Thirds lens. The 25mm was very well accepted - better than we expected, so we will follow customer requests."
    Sounds suspiciously like the business-as-usual Olympus lens development philosophy: zooms, zooms, and more zooms, plus a token prime or two (but only if it's a leap year, all the planets align, and the zoom-obsessed Olympus user base suddenly starts requesting prime lenses).

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    If they had missed the EVF or the articulating LCD/TFT screen from their "market research", it shows how brilliant they are.

    "Some things are worth waiting for"?

    Not.

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    Shutter sound?

    What I have yet to see confirmed is whether this will have the same "clacky" shutter sound as the G1. This is the only real niggle I have with my G1 - it's not "stealthy" enough.

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    The only shutter related spec I saw was
    "Computerized focal-plane shutter."

    Not quite sure if that means it's the same as a G1 or not.

    The Olympus rep will have a demo here this week, I'll let you know what the shutter sounds like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    If they had missed the EVF or the articulating LCD/TFT screen from their "market research", it shows how brilliant they are.

    "Some things are worth waiting for"?

    Not.
    I know - how Leica ever managed to sell the M8 without an articulating screen is beyond me.

    Let's see how it works in real life.

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    I agree--wait and see, but I do know from experience with the G1 that the only time I use the LCD for focusing MF lenses is on tripod. I don't really care much about 'articulating' LCD--but I know others do. I care most about a VF--and now that I've seen it with a zoom on, it loses appeal for me without the 17 f/2.8 or maybe the 20 f/1.7 (I don't do street shooting anyhow). The G1 with a 20 or 17 will be small enough for me. I know others like the size--and the styling (which I generally like very much also, but.....).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    I agree--wait and see, but I do know from experience with the G1 that the only time I use the LCD for focusing MF lenses is on tripod. I don't really care much about 'articulating' LCD--but I know others do. I care most about a VF--and now that I've seen it with a zoom on, it loses appeal for me without the 17 f/2.8 or maybe the 20 f/1.7 (I don't do street shooting anyhow). The G1 with a 20 or 17 will be small enough for me. I know others like the size--and the styling (which I generally like very much also, but.....).

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    The Dpreview interview with an Olympus executive says they are working on an EVF now. I think that one will be the genuine competition to the G1. But by then, Panny will have something new too.

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    Re: The consensus E-P 1 leak has arrived

    Only if the EVF is interal to the camera and has no hump....

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    I know - how Leica ever managed to sell the M8 without an articulating screen is beyond me.

    Let's see how it works in real life.

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    Leica always had an OVF. This was and is on my wishlist prio 1
    But, okay, the new Oly isn´t that shabby or ?? And if it is true that thru MMF-1 adapter Zuiko Digital lenses can perform AF ( slow, what ever that means ) and there is somewhat readable control for manual focussed lenses that will be OK as well. BTW: My wish was D-LUX4 sized. OKAY it is now a little bigger but has an even bigger sensor as well.
    This new OLY will establish a new market ! Small, compact mirrorless systems, with interchangeable lenses. LEICAs from OLY for the massmarket...

    And i am happy it does NOT have a build in mini flash with GN 5 or so....My Metz58 AF-1 O will give that little E-p1 a strange look but it will work.
    It is a pocketable cam not more and not less and it will have damned good picture quality... I have a spare place in my photobag.
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    Okay, the official un-leak is here, and with all the "hands-on previews" and such, it hasn't taken me long to distill my own key factoids:

    Pros:
    -- Looks extremely cool.
    -- Very compact.
    -- In-body stabilization (does it work with all lenses?)
    -- ISO to 6400 (how good?)

    Cons:
    -- Focus only via LCD, which washes out in bright light.
    -- Very slow autofocus (according to DPReview.)

    So, functionally, you've got a very compact camera that you can use with autofocus lenses, which it focuses slowly, or with adapted manual-focus lenses, which focus inconveniently assuming you can see the LCD at all.

    Sounds like the 17mm lens/optical finder combo is the sweet spot: should be a great carry-around camera for stylish travelers, since the 17 should AF better than the zoom, and the optical finder gives a bright-light alternative to the LCD.

    But focusing is kind of a big deal for me, so it looks as if I'll be staying with Panasonic. Drat -- the Olympus looks sooo good...

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    Sounds like the 17mm lens/optical finder combo is the sweet spot: should be a great carry-around camera for stylish travelers,..
    Sorry to point out the obvious, Ranger. You overlooked the custom cases and the matching colored straps.

    I think Olympus have a winner here. Watch out Luigi!

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    The Dpreview interview with an Olympus executive says they are working on an EVF now. I think that one will be the genuine competition to the G1. But by then, Panny will have something new too.
    Thanks Woody. I read that interview but 'speed read' it and missed that.

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    All this is nice, but will it blend?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FWv21EgRZU&NR=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    All this is nice, but will it blend?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FWv21EgRZU&NR=1
    I had just read about the Youtube ad on another forum--thanks for the link so I didn't have to search for it. BUT--did you notice, he had it out in front looking in that dang LCD LOL. Hope it sells bunches though. I want MORE m4/3rds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    I had just read about the Youtube ad on another forum--thanks for the link so I didn't have to search for it. BUT--did you notice, he had it out in front looking in that dang LCD LOL. Hope it sells bunches though. I want MORE m4/3rds.

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    Heh! Subtle.

    Olympus promo for the G1, Robert? Thanks for the link.

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    The Olympus rep will have a demo here this week, I'll let you know what the shutter sounds like.
    Looking forward to it, thanks Monza.

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    Re: Articulating Screen

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    I know - how Leica ever managed to sell the M8 without an articulating screen is beyond me.
    Same here. They lost a customer with that and not taking a page from Epson's book and motorizing the advance instead of a cocking-lever à la RD-1.

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    It sounds "Klick" and is very silent.....reported from one who had his hands on it today in Berlin...
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    Re: The consensus E-P 1 leak has arrived

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    I know - how Leica ever managed to sell the M8 without an articulating screen is beyond me.

    Let's see how it works in real life.

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    You can focus and frame using the built in viewfinder/RF patch (most lenses).

    The very essence of an RFless, Mirror Reflex less and the ability to focus using solely Liveview is apparently perfected by Panasonic and appeared to have caught Olympus flat footed.

    If I want a P&S cam, the choices are plenty.

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