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    Re: New M43 GF1 - Possibly

    Quite simple and ingenious!

    I will do that right away.

    Thanks, Cindy!

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    Re: New M43 GF1 - Possibly

    Hi Cindy, could you please post an illustration?

    Thanks for the tip - the paint on my buttons has already rubbed off (after light use)... so it's a bit late for me

    The rubber skin is OK so far though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Quite simple and ingenious!

    I will do that right away.

    Thanks, Cindy!
    This makes my point. Vivek really knows his stuff, but his G1 must look like .....

    Plaster and epoxy on the grip, Magic Markers all over the lens, and packaging tape over the controls. Diane, you need to donate one of your many bags to him.
    But I did see a picture of Winogrand's Leica and I guess it had the same Vivek look and feel to it, so there can't be too much wrong that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    This makes my point. Vivek really knows his stuff, but his G1 must look like ...
    ...if nothing else, I'll bet it makes it theft-resistant. A snatcher would take one look and say, "Ewwww..."

    I haven't had any trouble with my control labels wearing off yet, but I wonder if a tiny drop of silicone on the "problem" buttons would help. I did this on the AEL button of my Nikon D80; it not only preserved the label, but built up the button a bit to make it easier to press.

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    The silicone sounds like a good idea--except I would be afraid that I would overdo and it would leak down the sides (simply my issue--probably no one else would have the same problem LOL). My buttons are not gone, but def. much lighter, so I may still try this--or better yet, let my spouse do it (he's much better with fine detail than I seem to be with tools and such).

    I'd love to see Vivek's camera as it looks today--how 'bout it Vivek?? I'm also wondering, how did the crack in the grip happen--just 'stuff'??

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    Re: New M43 GF1 - Possibly

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Hi Cindy, could you please post an illustration?

    Thanks for the tip - the paint on my buttons has already rubbed off (after light use)... so it's a bit late for me

    The rubber skin is OK so far though!

    Kind Regards

    Brian
    My new Blue G1

    I think I will be able to do a better job the second time around. It is just hard to not get fingerprints on the tape. It might work better to use screen protector material to cut the circle from and then just use packing tape for the outside.

    Last edited by Cindy Flood; 27th August 2009 at 13:37.

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    Another suggestion: clear vinyl repair tape might be better than packaging tape. It's thicker, but also more flexible and would conform better to the contours of the buttons, with less bulging and creasing. If you can't find any in a hardware store, try an auto parts store -- 3M sells it for repairing tears in vinyl upholstery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    Another suggestion: clear vinyl repair tape might be better than packaging tape. It's thicker, but also more flexible and would conform better to the contours of the buttons, with less bulging and creasing. If you can't find any in a hardware store, try an auto parts store -- 3M sells it for repairing tears in vinyl upholstery.
    The problem is, you need two layers over the buttons because you don't want the tape to actually stick to the buttons. I'm not sure how thick the vinyl repair tape would be??? Ranger, do you think two layers of it would be too much?

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    Hi Cindy, it looks as I expected - I hope Panasonic see this illustration

    ...or maybe they already have done something different for the GH1 - I've read somewhere that the texture is different on the button paint.

    I think I'd certainly go for a G1/GH1 in blue - it looks excellent.

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    Re: New M43 GF1 - Possibly

    Any such ingenious solution involves the simplest of the materials and application. I would not bother with vinyl, silicone, blah and blah.

    Thanks again, Cindy!

    (PS, Works like a charm on mine as well).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    I think I will be able to do a better job the second time around. It is just hard to not get fingerprints on the tape. It might work better to use screen protector material to cut the circle from and then just use packing tape for the outside.
    Very creative, but I can guarantee that my wife would never go for such a solution on her blue G1 . I'm just wondering if by the time you wear out the buttons, you probably no longer need to really know what they say? Maybe Pana can go for etching instead of stamping in a future model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by photoSmart42 View Post
    I'm just wondering if by the time you wear out the buttons, you probably no longer need to really know what they say? Maybe Pana can go for etching instead of stamping in a future model.
    That's exactly what happens. I hadn't looked at my buttons since February until it was brought to my attention that some had their buttons' 'name' wearing off. Sure enough, mine are much lighter--but I have long ago learned their function and I don't need to know what they say. However--I think others are more concerned about selling the cameras in the future--and the flaw may (likely will) force a lower price. I'm toying with buying the GH1 (or perhaps the GF1) but probably won't sell the G1 as I like 2 bodies, but at some point with upgrading, perhaps I would want to sell the G1. Selling price would likely have to be less than if the buttons matched the condition of the rest of the camera (my camera otherwise looks like new and I do shoot every day with it).

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    It is just hard to not get fingerprints on the tape.
    Stick the tape onto some waxed paper first. Then cut out the waxed paper and tape together. Don't peel off the waxed paper until you're ready to do the final assembly. This reduces the risk of getting fingerprints onto the sticky side of the tape, and makes it easier to handle.

    Cindy, as to the vinyl repair tape being too thick -- it might be, depending on how much "feel" you need to retain from the buttons. It's the sort of thing that requires a bit of experimentation.

    Yet another thought, for people who don't want to cover up the whole thing with tape but are afraid of the silicone getting out of control: Sometimes at electronics stores you can find stick-on "feet" made for applying to the bottom of a disk drive enclosure (some disk drives come with a sheet of them.) Picture-frame "bumpers" from a framing-supply store are similar, but larger; you'd need to trim these down with an art knife. Whichever you use, try cutting to size and sticking onto the buttons. They get knocked off fairly easily, but when that happens, just stick on another one.

    Note that these do raise the button considerably... but that might make it easier to locate and press. It might be a good way to make the focus buttons easier to find and press when you're holding the camera up to your eye.

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    When I bought my first G1, I bought a black one. I didn't think I would like blue or red. Then I saw Terry's blue one and it was not as "blue" as my mind had imagined. I just bought my second one a few weeks ago, I am carrying them both together, so having two colors makes it very easy to pick up the right one out of my bag.

    I don't have to look at the buttons any more, but I just don't want them ruined. Somewhere down the line, I will sell the blue G1. My black G1 (that has lost the paint on the buttons) has been converted to Infrared only, so I will probably keep it for a long time.

    Ranger, Thanks for the wax paper trick. I wll try that for my next application. (So far this application has worked for several weeks!)

    I hope Panasonic addresses this button paint issue on future bodies.

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    My earlier suggestion of silicone was not only to protect the print, but to "build up" the buttons a bit to make them easier to press. But if the only issue people are having with the buttons is paint wearing off them, I wonder if it would help simply to apply some clear nail polish over the labels...?

    As with the silicone, the concern would be that it would run off into areas where it shouldn't be. To reduce that risk, I'd apply it with the end of a toothpick rather than using the brush in the cap. It stays in place pretty well when applied this way.

    DISCLAIMER: To make sure the stuff won't dissolve the ink used for the screen-printed lables, "test first in an inconspicuous area."

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    Quote Originally Posted by photoSmart42 View Post
    Very creative, but I can guarantee that my wife would never go for such a solution on her blue G1 . I...snip...
    No one notices the tape. They are so taken with the beautiful blue body and the sleek Pen-F lens...topped with the black Luigi leather!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    My earlier suggestion of silicone was not only to protect the print, but to "build up" the buttons a bit to make them easier to press. But if the only issue people are having with the buttons is paint wearing off them, I wonder if it would help simply to apply some clear nail polish over the labels...?

    As with the silicone, the concern would be that it would run off into areas where it shouldn't be. To reduce that risk, I'd apply it with the end of a toothpick rather than using the brush in the cap. It stays in place pretty well when applied this way.

    DISCLAIMER: To make sure the stuff won't dissolve the ink used for the screen-printed lables, "test first in an inconspicuous area."
    Ranger, Clear nail polish was my first thought, too. I happen to have some in my arsenal (long nails are probably the reason the paint wore off my first G1 so quickly). I decided against it because of my fear of dissolving the paint. I think I might play with your silicone idea, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    Yet another thought, for people who don't want to cover up the whole thing with tape but are afraid of the silicone getting out of control: Sometimes at electronics stores you can find stick-on "feet" made for applying to the bottom of a disk drive enclosure (some disk drives come with a sheet of them.) Picture-frame "bumpers" from a framing-supply store are similar, but larger; you'd need to trim these down with an art knife. Whichever you use, try cutting to size and sticking onto the buttons. They get knocked off fairly easily, but when that happens, just stick on another one.

    Note that these do raise the button considerably... but that might make it easier to locate and press. It might be a good way to make the focus buttons easier to find and press when you're holding the camera up to your eye.
    Good tip for me. I'm not very sure of applying silicone or even clear nail polish (which I have also).

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    Getting back to the GF1...

    Oops, some fast-fingered readers apparently caught screenshots of a GF1 banner ad when it appeared briefly on dpreview:



    Looks as if there will be a choice of colors... nice.

    Tip of virtual hat to the 43Rumors guys for spotting this and saving me the trouble of wading through dpreview threads to find it.

    I'm guessing this means there will be an official announcement within, say, 12 hours, on the theory that it appeared early because the dpreview guys got their ams and pms mixed up...

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    Oh no! no blue?!?! what went wrong? I thought blue was the big G1 seller?

    Cheers

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    Nice snag by the 43rumors guys! I am really looking forward to giving one of these a shot... love the G1 already.

    As always I will probably opt for black.

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    A red one for me!

    But I want the 20/1.7 today!

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    43Rumors are saying 6:00am London Time for announcement.....

    I'll take a black one with EVF and 20/1.7 and then....

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    Ack! Colors. This is the bane of a camera dealer, no matter what color you have in stock, the buyer wants something else...

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    I could live with all but the white I guess. There's actually a bigger spread of this on FM--someone caught it
    http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/809719

    Concerning colors, I've noticed on Vimeo a number of people interested in a red GH1 and were unhappy they couldn't find one, so I guess the red is catching on also.

    Some on FM were saying sorry there was no EVF. I don't think we can say that until we see if there is an 'accessory', can we??

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    yehh... I wouLd want a pink GF one...& a M9...ala-carte titanium with tartan plaid covering... with matching strap.

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    If the camera works as well as it looks to me, I'll take any color at all. Preferably black for this one, but I really don't care much (except not white).

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    well, with the prices cited in another thread here, I'll get one with the 20mm lens so that I can use the 20mm on my G1 and get a GF body tossed in for pittance!

    Yeeee harrrr

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    FYI- GF1 is up both on DPReview and on Amazon. I placed a pre-order for one with the 20mm lens

    Let the fun begin!

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