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    Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    Hello Lumix Photographers

    Lumix Life is Panasonic's new project to find the best undiscovered photographers and give them the chance to have their photos exhibited in a real life gallery.

    Simply submit your top 10 Lumix photos to www.lumixlife.com.au to enter Panasonic's online gallery with the best 50 photographers having their work exhibited in the prestigious Sydney Global Gallery.

    A web cam will be set up so you can view you the exhibition live if unable to make the big event.

    Would be great to see you showcase your skills to the world!

    Team Panasonic

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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    I guess we now know that Panasonic looks at this forum.... Wanna spill the beans on the GF1 ???????

    p.s. That's American for tell us your secrets!!!!

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    Thanks, PanasonicAustralia! I submitted!

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    Can I submit Leica DLux4 shots?

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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    I guess we now know that Panasonic looks at this forum.... Wanna spill the beans on the GF1 ???????

    p.s. That's American for tell us your secrets!!!!
    And please tell us how to get our 50% members discount.

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    Thank you for your comments and to those who have already entered Lumix Life.

    The competition is reserved for Lumix cameras only so sorry Leica can not be accepted. As for the GF1 unfortunately we can not comment on the rumours circulating only that Panasonic is committed to developing its Micro 4/3rds technology.

    We hope you'll enjoy our photographic competition and be sure to vote for your favorite photographer for the people's choice awards, visit www.lumixlife.com.au

    All the best,
    The Panasonic Australia Team

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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    Panasonic:

    I was quite keen to enter some shots there upon your invitation.

    Your "selection criteria"

    12. Each entrant warrants that if any person who is not the entrant is pictured in the submitted photograph, and is easily identifiable in the photograph, that the entrant has obtained all necessary permission from those identifiable persons pictured to submit the photograph for the purposes of the promotion.
    Spelled out here: http://www.lumixlife.com.au/entry_fo...oncriteria.cfm

    makes this impossible.

    With that kind of a criterion and condition, I can not submit any "candid" street photographs. Such a criterion/condition is anathema to any street photographer and especially me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    With that kind of a criterion and condition, I can not submit any "candid" street photographs. Such a criterion/condition is anathema to any street photographer and especially me.
    Kicks me off the playing field too.

    This legal jibberish is naturally concocted by lawyers who have absolutely no care for art in any of its forms and only seeks to limit its client's liabilities.

    Ergo; business as usual in the photographic "competition" world:

    Come ye all inocuous "pretty" sunsets ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3photo View Post
    Kicks me off the playing field too.

    This legal jibberish is naturally concocted by lawyers who have absolutely no care for art in any of its forms and only seeks to limit its client's liabilities.

    Ergo; business as usual in the photographic "competition" world:

    Come ye all inocuous "pretty" sunsets ...

    One of my all time favorite street shots (a few fellow street photogs I asked, picked this one):



    (not taken with anything remotely Lumix)

    was the very reason why I was so keen on the G1 (swivel TFT and all, hey this shot would fulfill that gibberish but alas that was a Nike cam with a self made T/S 28mm lens).

    Guess what? Even after an year, not a single G1 shot remotely comes close to it.

    Yes, we have all heard it from all those old farts. It isn't the gear..

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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Such a criterion/condition is anathema to any street photographer and especially me.
    Alas, the 'model release' has become a standard request here in North America. And paranoia has prompted security guards to chase me from their buildings; I suppose I might be photographing ways to break in, or places to set explosives? Today I was told that I couldn't take pictures inside the buildings at a "pioneer village" recreation. Apparently, they'd had a theft of artifacts and believed that the thieves had taken pictures beforehand to case the joint. I'm told that in the U.S. buildings may be "copyrighted" and that extends to images of them.

    Sigh.
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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    Quote Originally Posted by JBurnett View Post
    Alas, the 'model release' has become a standard request here in North America.
    Sigh.
    Jburnett,


    No, it has not unless there is a corporation/promotion/financial interest involved.

    If it is a "real" photo gallery as Panasonic claims here that clause should not be there and especially the last line in that clause.

    If you are out on a street and I stick a form asking you to agree to a model release agreeing to a Panasonic promotion why would you sign it?

    I can imagine the reactions of the people to such a request and I would love to capture all their reactions upclose () but would I lie that I got a model release and submit that to promote a brand name? No.

    So, this whole thing is nothing but a spam, IMO.

    Panasonic: Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

    I will be happy if you could set that right and clarify my doubts.

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    Read folks. Basically means they can use your image without compensation to promote the contest. You still own your copyright. ALWAYS READ the fine print

    All entries (which shall include photographs) submitted remains the property of the Entrant. Entries will not be returned to any entrant. . Each entrant warrants to the Promoter that each entry submitted is an original artistic work of the entrant that does not infringe the rights of any third party. The entrant agrees to indemnify the Promoter against all costs and claims by third parties arising from a breach of this warranty. Entrants consent to any use of their entry which may otherwise infringe their moral rights pursuant to the Copyright Act 1968 (Cth).
    As a condition of entering into this promotion, each entrant licences the Promoter without any reward, payment or fee to use their entry in media including but not limited to the exhibition, and promotional, marketing or publicity purposes related to the exhibition
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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    Vivek,
    That clause eliminates me also.
    I have never had a collector, gallery or museum ask for a model release.
    Panasonics lawyers have taken the freedom we as photographers share and killed any creative intent we could share.
    They may very well be protecting their client but they force us to do controlled images.
    Life is not that way in reality, at least not in my life.
    Thanks for posting the clause.
    I was about to send some images with Pres. Bush and some Generals at a funeral we did at Arlington.....
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    As a working Pro I NEVER enter these types of contests. There is always some clause in the fine print that I do not like, I see two glaring at me here. Read these things folks and if you ever have a question e-mail me personally if you want. Be happy to look at it and advice [email protected]
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    Make that 3 now


    The Promoter collects personal information in order to conduct the Promotion and may, for this purpose, disclose such information to third parties. Entry is conditional on providing this information. The Promoter may, for a (limited period which would be the duration of the promotion13th august to 31st October) unless otherwise advised, use the information for promotional, marketing and publicity purposes including sending electronic messages or telephoning the entrant. Entrants should direct any request to access, update or correct information to the Promoter.


    Need I say more here.
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    Don,

    The Dutch laws are fairly generous with respect to street photography but as soon as any such non sense creeps up with respect to the subjects in a photo, the photographer is toast.

    I agree with you.

    Guy, Thanks for your posts and advice.

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    Your welcome just hate to see members getting screwed on these things. Obviously there are some contests that are very good and I don't want to ban them from getting posted either , just want folks to read the fine print before sending off that precious image that you may actually lose on in the end and give away to much. Simple thought your image, your rights and never give it up. But i will start locking threads that I think smell bad and will let you folks know why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    The Promoter collects personal information in order to conduct the Promotion and may, for this purpose, disclose such information to third parties. Entry is conditional on providing this information. The Promoter may, for a (limited period which would be the duration of the promotion13th august to 31st October) unless otherwise advised, use the information for promotional, marketing and publicity purposes including sending electronic messages or telephoning the entrant. Entrants should direct any request to access, update or correct information to the Promoter.
    This and the previous clause means that the "Promoters", (to be fair - in this instance it's Panasonic but they all do it) dangle the carrot in front of every entrant's nose in the form of a prize. Only a few at the top get the corresponding prizes but they always win because they can then use all entries for the pursuance of marketing strategies whether they were deemed "worthy" of a prize or not. For them it's a much cheaper form of advertising.
    I remember one such instance where I submitted five framed photographs in an exhibition sponsored by a certain beverage company. None of my entries obtained even so much as a mention but when I went to collect them there were stars next to all five and the person "responsible" said I couldn't have them because they were marked for future use in their publicity campaign. Needless to say I was packing them away in the boot of my car while this person rambled on about said company's rights etc. I simply retorted with "if they're so good, where's my money then? - here's my card; if your company wants my work they can contact me to arrange payment." I'm still waiting. Sadly others would have fallen for it and subsequently given away their work.

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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    If you want a 'fair' agreement/contract, you need to have your own legal advises to protect your interest. When the Panasonic lawyer puts all the legal terms in the contract/agreement, of course the whole agreement is so one sided that it is strictly for the benefit/convenience of the 'promoter' - Panasonic. It is just the Panasonic lawyer doing his/her job.

    Like most of us in this forum, who does not make a living from selling images or is a working pro shooter, personally I don't think the risk of entering the Panasonic contest is such a big deal. But, I cannot see any images that show recognized faces can go to a public contest without the proper model release. We have way too many lawyers in North America.
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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    Stephen Lau,

    I do not think you understand the situation clearly. No real gallery asks for a model release of a street photograph.

    By adding the clauses presumably drafted by the legal team hired by Panasonic, it is clear they also do not have a clue what it is about.

    I don't blame the lawyers but the company that wastes the resources on nothing and tries to make a profit on the gear they are producing.

    So, who is paying for it? Ultimately the ones who buy anything with LUMIX plastered on it.

    BTW, I have friends who can offer me legal advice on local laws or international law, in particular, on copyright.
    Last edited by Vivek; 31st August 2009 at 14:14.

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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    Stephen,
    I agree with Vivek entirely. Panny will have the right to use your image as they see fit. This is why they need a release....

    I also have Copyright attorneys that actually collect my work...and I get much advice from them.
    I do make part of my living from images, years ago..all of my money came from it but...
    I am not interested in giving up rights to my work. Besides, street work does not need a release if the image is not used for making money...
    what does that tell you about what may be going on.....?

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    I want to leave it this way: law is very similar to photography - highly subjective, subject to interpretation and there is no absolute right or wrong.

    I am just happy to be a photographer.
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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    This has been a very interesting and valuable thread - I note that dpreview deleted the contest from their forums... thanks Guy, for maintaining a personal feeling to this forum

    Cheers

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    Thanks Brian and i was going to delete it and actually ban the OP to be real honest. Jack suggested not to ban him and I wanted to leave this up because it is something important that members need to understand. I know some people don't care and will send them in and that is okay but I feel i should say something since I been in the business so long and seen many of these. The issue is one may not care until they see there image on the side of a bus and trust me when they put there hand in there pants and no money comes out of that pocket than they will care A LOT. LOL
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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    What this has done to me, personally, is to take away any residual enthusiasm for a certain brand that I spent a good bit of effort to smear and make it invisible.

    This isn't a beverage company. It is supposed to be tool maker for photographers.

    Oh, the amount of restrain I am exercising in expressing my feelings..

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    Hmm, over to you Mr. Panasonic Australia. Two posts spaced by a week. Today's the day for the third. Care to comment?

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    Maybe he's waiting for a good news day... tomorrow could be good

    Kind Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    What this has done to me, personally, is to take away any residual enthusiasm for a certain brand that I spent a good bit of effort to smear and make it invisible.

    This isn't a beverage company. It is supposed to be tool maker for photographers.

    Oh, the amount of restrain I am exercising in expressing my feelings..
    Yes and no Vivek. We have to remember this is being catered to the true soccer mom type shooter ( sorry for the stereotype) and folks here are much more serious in there work with photography . Seriously I have yet to see a member a real green rookie on this forum. Anyway that is there target and this actually maybe regional and not international like a Canon, Nikon contest. I would not be too hard on them but I also want our members to know the real facts behind these kinds of contests, and enter if they wish but when that bus goes by with their image on it , well I told you so. LOL

    Seriously though Pana is a good company and don't let this ruin your faith in them. It's just there target market and this forum is NOT it
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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    What this has done to me, personally, is to take away any residual enthusiasm for a certain brand that I spent a good bit of effort to smear and make it invisible.

    This isn't a beverage company. It is supposed to be tool maker for photographers.

    Oh, the amount of restrain I am exercising in expressing my feelings..
    That's exactly the problem with the big picture, no pun intended....or maybe it is.
    These are people in the photography business that do not understand photographers or images/usage. That makes me crazy and kinda angry.

    They really should pay more attention to their intent...as we are forced to do with ours...
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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    Cheers, Guy!

    These nit-wit$ should have asked for your take before spamming.

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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    Well, it's actually good that Guy & Jack left the thread on the forum. There are many that will benefit from the conversation.

    Good Moderating guy's....

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    Panasonic's desire to use the photos for commercial purposes is the reason they need the assurance that the photographer has a model release. They want to use photos taken for editorial purposes and use them for commercial purposes. And they are trying to put the burden on the photographer. Notice that they aren't asking for actual releases from subjects, just your assurance that you have a release while you give up your control.

    But the liability is real no matter what your original intent in taking the photo nor your final use and exhibition of it. When in doubt get a release. The person in the photo has rights to privacy, may have rights to publicity and has rights against defamation. Then there are more undefined rights of property owners against association and conversion. Even if he tells you it's okay at the time, he also has the right to change his mind and if you don't have it in writing you don't have anything.

    ASMP has some good pages on this. They tell the story below:

    The passage of time doesnít necessarily reduce your risk. In the Nov. 22, 1999, edition of the New York Observer, an article relates that Peter Beard was threatened with a lawsuit for a photo heíd taken a dozen years earlier. In 1987, Beard had photographed a 17-year-old girl near Lake Rudolph in Kenya. But by 1997, that girl had moved to Los Angeles, where she was waiting tables and looking for work as a model. A New York friend called to tell her that a SoHo gallery was selling her picture for thousands of dollars. She reacted by hiring a lawyer and demanding $50,000 plus 15 percent of Beardís sales. (It appears that the matter was settled out of court, so we donít know what really happened.)
    http://www.asmp.org/tutorials/proper...-releases.html

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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    ..use them for commercial purposes. And they are trying to put the burden on the photographer.
    Exactly!

    Two thumbs down to Panasonic.

    A street photog friend just sent me a message on this brand. I would like to hear what he says after reading this fiasco.

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    Hi Guy and other forum members,

    I wanted to quickly clear up some of the confusion around the terms and conditions. I hope this helps.

    With regard to the subject release/approval, it's important to note that there are a number of cultural sensitivities in Australia when taking photographs of some subjects. These include some members of the country's indigenous community, children and even taking photographs of people on some of Australia's beaches. While it may not be technically illegal, it is nonetheless frowned upon by many in the community here. This can even include national icons, such as Uluru, although I am not sure it extends to ducks.

    I also wanted to stress that the only way in which images submitted will be used is in the promotion of the exhibition, such as sending links to the site to interested journalists or putting the galleries up on our website to promote the initiative. Panasonic Australia respects the intellectual property rights of photographers and would not dream of using any images beyond this purpose without proper consent and compensation, as negotiated by the photographer or their agent.

    Finally, with regard to the collection of information for distribution to third parties. This explicitly refers to providing information and possibly contact information to program organisers, gallery staff and - when OK - media who might wish to write a story about a photographer's submission.

    I'm sorry that the terms and conditions have inadvertently caused so much concern. The spirit of this initiative is very much in good faith, giving undiscovered photographers a chance to have their work shown in a Sydney gallery. Those of us who have been fortunate enough to have their own show will know what a thrill this can be.

    I know that there may be dubious and exploitative 'competitions' on the web and that you need to be careful, but this is not one of them. Quite frankly we have too much respect for our customers, our brand and the photographic community to undertake anything that was not fit and proper.

    I hope this explanation is useful, and I'd be happy to answer any additional questions in relation to this exhibition that you may have.

    Kind regards,

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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    I am happy to hear back from you, Panasonic.

    With regard to the subject release/approval, it's important to note that there are a number of cultural sensitivities in Australia when taking photographs of some subjects. These include some members of the country's indigenous community, children and even taking photographs of people on some of Australia's beaches. While it may not be technically illegal, it is nonetheless frowned upon by many in the community here. This can even include national icons, such as Uluru, although I am not sure it extends to ducks.
    Aside from the humor ( ), yes, some of us may be even aware of the sensitivities mentioned by you, and they are serious, indeed.

    Dutch law (for example) permits photographs of people (and use for non advertisements, commercials) in public areas provided that no photograph depicts them in a bad light. Since it is quite broad, the boundaries can only be realized when one understands it in its spirit. As is, people around my city might have seen me carrying a camera and making photos, sometimes even the subjects themselves invite me to take a photo.


    For example, this young man.


    (taken with a another brand camera, IR capture)

    While posing for a photo or allowing a photo to be taken is one thing, I am not sure if most folks would like to see any of their photos anywhere with "LUMIX" or any other brand name raining down on that image while showing.

    So, that part isn't clear to me at all.


    Once again, Guy and Jack- thanks for keeping this thread!

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    Re: Exhibit your photos with Lumix Life

    I have decided not to enter this.

    1. As I said earlier, if I agree to all of the conditions enlisted there, I will not be honest.

    2. I value my interest in photography (and how it gets expressed) way above any brand name or the tools I use. It may be G1 today and NX tomorrow. A few Euros will buy them. Simple and easy. As long as the features suit my purpose, I will decide to use my cash on any of them and as I see fit.

    I appreciate Panasonic's invitation and thank them for it. Clearly, out of mutual respect, I do not want any part of this.

    If any of my photos have any merit, they will stand on their own and will display no brand names.

    Vivek.

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    Well, I entered all landscape images, and they're on exhibit in Sydney right now.

    Sorry it excluded so many good photographers. But, I am a strong proponent of Panasonic, and enjoy their products.

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