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    Re: GF-1 specs announced...

    And I thought I wanted a G11. Plans changed again. If new launches continue to come this frequently, I'll never be able to make up my mind

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    $900 with the 20...that's a lot more than a G11, but it's a lot more camera.

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    Re: GF-1 specs announced...

    Looks pretty good. Where did you see the US Prices?

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    It's linked at the bottom of the dpreview pages to the Amazon pre-order page. The body only and kit zoom isn't linked yet. Curious how much the EVF will be.

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    I saw £186 for the viewfinder. Not sure what a $ price will be yet.

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    Those lenses look nice. Fun times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewteee View Post
    Those lenses look nice. Fun times.
    Indeed. The samples of the 20mm look pretty good. Check out the samples gallery

    http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/pana...mples19573758/

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    Now we have to see next week if Leica launches something that is m4/3 ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Looks pretty good. Where did you see the US Prices?
    "UK: £549.99 (body), £783 (with 20mm lens), 14-45mm kit TBA" + currency conversion = $1300 USD for the camera+20 lens combination!

    Seems awfully expensive for such a small camera. I would have expected the price to be closer to the LX3 ($500-ish with the 20 lens) which it's replacing. At these prices I might as well buy a GH1 or even a cheaper G1 which is more camera. Not sure what Panasonic is thinking in terms of their target market. Too expensive for regular consumers, and maybe even too expensive for pros considering it would just be a rangefinder/backup camera. I hope it sells well enough to keep Pany in business...

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    It's linked at the bottom of the dpreview pages to the Amazon pre-order page. The body only and kit zoom isn't linked yet. Curious how much the EVF will be.
    1001 Noisy Cameras says $200 US. That means camera body plus either lens plus EVF will be right around $1100. Not bad, but it makes the G1 look like an even bigger bargain, especially considering that the built-in EVF has about twice the pixel count as the GF1's add-on.

    Still, I was impressed at how well the GF1's add-on EVF integrates with the camera body, at least according to the pictures. And it tilts up 90 degrees, which should lessen some of the sting of not having an articulating LCD.

    (I wonder if there'll be an extension cable allowing you to remove the EVF from the camera entirely...? No reason it couldn't be done...)

    Now it'll be interesting to wait until 9-9 to see if Leica announces a new D-Lux with an uncannily similar resemblance (a vulcanite body covering and a red dot would look nice on the GF1 body.) The Leica video did promise a range of products for novice through professional, so it's at least plausible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by photoSmart42 View Post
    "UK: £549.99 (body), £783 (with 20mm lens), 14-45mm kit TBA" + currency conversion = $1300 USD for the camera+20 lens combination!

    Seems awfully expensive for such a small camera. I would have expected the price to be closer to the LX3 ($500-ish with the 20 lens) which it's replacing. At these prices I might as well buy a GH1 or even a cheaper G1 which is more camera. Not sure what Panasonic is thinking in terms of their target market. Too expensive for regular consumers, and maybe even too expensive for pros considering it would just be a rangefinder/backup camera. I hope it sells well enough to keep Pany in business...
    Actually it is available for pre-order on Amazon. $899 with 20mm lens.

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    I'll lay odds on the Leica variant. And will predict a $1999 price for the body and 40mm macro lens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by photoSmart42 View Post
    Seems awfully expensive for such a small camera... At these prices I might as well buy a GH1 or even a cheaper G1 which is more camera. Not sure what Panasonic is thinking in terms of their target market.
    Some people want small and are willing to pay for it. Look at all the people who complained about the G1's "hump" and grip and said they'd prefer something smaller and more rangefinder-camera-like... well, now they can put their money where their mouths are.

    BTW, I don't think it's a replacement for the LX3, since it has interchangeable lenses. I suspect eventually there'll be an LX3 replacement with a fixed lens, at a lower price point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    I'll lay odds on the Leica variant. And will predict a $1999 price for the body and 40mm macro lens.
    That'd be a big price premium for vulcanite and a red dot. But undoubtedly there'll be people who pay it...

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    After seeing the E-P1 I was planning on holding off buying a m4/3s camera for a while, but then Panasonic comes and releases what is looking like a very nice model. The 7-14, 20 and 45 macro together would be very nice. (Shame it's not 45mm f/2!) At least I'm safe for a little longer. This month is tripod month. I was supposed to get it last month but couldn't pass up a hell of a deal on a 12-60mm, VA-1 and a FL50-R. Aperture support and a couple more lenses will seal it for me, assuming these perform well.
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    There is an official Panasonic page here http://www.panasonic.net/avc/lumix/s...gf1/index.html

    The brochure PDF link is on that page also.

    The live viewfinder looks very much like they took a leaf out of Ricoh's book with the GX100/200 viewfinder.

    its here http://www.panasonic.net/avc/lumix/s...ies.html#acc01

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    I'm pleased that they didn't use the "joystick" that the LX3 has, I could never see the point as the LX3 had the diamond control as well

    This shows some detail of the control set http://a.img-dpreview.com/previews/P...lroundview.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjlacz View Post
    Aperture support and a couple more lenses will seal it for me, assuming these perform well.
    Don't hold your breath on Aperture support. It still doesn't support the LX3/DLux4 or G1

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    Looks great.
    I noticed that it uses the same batteries as the G1. Perfect. :-)

    Camera, viewfinder, 20mm lens ... soon as Camera Raw/DNG Converter/Lightroom support it.

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    They have included an in camera 1:1 format http://www.panasonic.net/avc/lumix/s...tml#raw_format

    Interesting!

    Another first is the moveable guide lines, this is something I've wanted for a while.

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    Yehh...let's hope it drives down t' price of the G1...I need another body

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    Don't hold your breath on Aperture support. It still doesn't support the LX3/DLux4 or G1
    Yeah, I know. It's something that's kept me from considering those cameras too. Still, I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    ... soon as Camera Raw/DNG Converter/Lightroom support it.
    Seems the same as the LX3 they are bundling Silkypix 3.0 http://www.panasonic.net/avc/lumix/s...luded_software

    Makes you wonder if the Leica version will be more expensive and include Capture One like the DLux4 did. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Looks great.
    I noticed that it uses the same batteries as the G1. Perfect. :-)
    predictably it was high on my items to look for in the spec


    Camera, viewfinder, 20mm lens ... soon as Camera Raw/DNG Converter/Lightroom support it.
    but in the mean time I want that 20mm lens for my G1 and hey as I also want the GF I'm in a good position to "justify" the kit.

    :-)

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    MY question is, will they be able to keep up with supply??

    Hopefully it won't be another LX3 frustration.

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    Looks tempting. Pana shows Oly the direction. Am concerned for my EP1 and guess I'll have to apply soon for membership in the gear slut club. Who is its president, again?

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    an E-P1 killer
    but, still love the gh-1

    btw,
    panasonic release other prime lens
    "LEICA DG MACRO-ELMARIT 45mm F2.8 ASPH. MEGA O.I.S."

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    prices in Germany


    • DMC-GF1 (UVP: 649 Euro)
    • DMC-GF1K KIT (UVP: 849 Euro)
    Kamera in schwarz, titansilber, rot oder perlmuttweiß mit Standartobjektiv: LUMIX G VARIO 3,5-5,6/14-45mm (28-90mm KB)
    • DMC-GF1C KIT (UVP: 949 Euro)
    Kamera in Schwarz mit „Pancake“ Objektiv: LUMIX G 1,7/ 20mm (40mm KB)

    • Pancake-Objektiv : LUMIX G 1,7/ 20mm (40mm KB)/ ASPH (UVP 399 Euro)
    • Makroobjektiv : LEICA DG MAKRO-ELMARIT 2,8/ 45mm (90mm KB)/ ASPH/ OIS (UVP: 799 Euro)


    I loooooove my GH1 .... 10x better ;-)

    GF1 EVF = weak 202.000 pixels, 200 extra dollars :-(
    GH1 EVF = 1.440.000 pixels



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    Quote Originally Posted by retow View Post
    Looks tempting. Pana shows Oly the direction. Am concerned for my EP1 and guess I'll have to apply soon for membership in the gear slut club. Who is its president, again?
    That would be Mike Hatam.
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    It has two things that I wish the E-P1 had. One the EVF (though 220 MPIXELS is disappointing) and the fast auto focus. If Oly can fix the AF issue and in an E-P2 builds in a high quality VF either optical or electronic they would come out ahead as the build quality of the Oly is better. I guess we will have to see what Leica brings forth. I noticed the GF1 offers an R lens adapter. I forgot to add that the GF1 is missing one thing I really like in the E-P1 and that is in body IS. Makes MF and Prime lenses much more usable.
    Last edited by barjohn; 2nd September 2009 at 06:19.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hot View Post
    prices in Germany


    • DMC-GF1 (UVP: 649 Euro)
    • DMC-GF1K KIT (UVP: 849 Euro)
    Kamera in schwarz, titansilber, rot oder perlmuttweiß mit Standartobjektiv: LUMIX G VARIO 3,5-5,6/14-45mm (28-90mm KB)
    • DMC-GF1C KIT (UVP: 949 Euro)
    Kamera in Schwarz mit „Pancake“ Objektiv: LUMIX G 1,7/ 20mm (40mm KB)

    • Pancake-Objektiv : LUMIX G 1,7/ 20mm (40mm KB)/ ASPH (UVP 399 Euro)
    • Makroobjektiv : LEICA DG MAKRO-ELMARIT 2,8/ 45mm (90mm KB)/ ASPH/ OIS (UVP: 799 Euro)


    I loooooove my GH1 .... 10x better ;-)

    GF1 EVF = weak 202.000 pixels, 200 extra dollars :-(
    GH1 EVF = 1.440.000 pixels



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    GH-1 or G-1 still has the best performance per cost ratio
    GF-1 just look like a modularized G-1

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    Want. : )
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    Quote Originally Posted by pancasj View Post
    GH-1 or G-1 still has the best performance per cost ratio
    GF-1 just look like a modularized G-1
    I agree. I am still hoping for something with the G1 features, but with a more robust body. I'll wait to see what Leica comes up with next week. Hope it is not just another pimped up Panasonic P&S with a red dot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    Seems the same as the LX3 they are bundling Silkypix 3.0
    I have no interest whatever in Silkypix or Capture 1. Lightroom and Photoshop are my image management/processing tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    It has two things that I wish the E-P1 had. One the EVF (though 220 MPIXELS is disappointing) and the fast auto focus. If Oly can fix the AF issue and in an E-P2 builds in a high quality VF either optical or electronic they would come out ahead as the build quality of the Oly is better. I guess we will have to see what Leica brings forth. I noticed the GF1 offers an R lens adapter. I forgot to add that the GF1 is missing one thing I really like in the E-P1 and that is in body IS. Makes MF and Prime lenses much more usable.
    I'm curious how you can assert that the E-P1 build quality is "better" without ever having held or seen a GF1 in person?

    Neither fast AF nor in-body IS are all that important to me. What I see is an improved shape to the body (taller = more purchase for my fingers), better control positioning, identical menu/control structure to the G1 (which I like a lot), and more viewfinder versatility. While the clip-on EVF is lower res than I'd prefer, just having one for eye level work is a plus ... and I can still easily use OVFs in the hot shoe.

    The 20/1.7 is just what I've been waiting for, the 45/2.8 Macro OIS is appealing too.

    As a complement to the G1, L1 and E-1, it's just what I've been looking for. I hope it is up to the same finish spec that the L1 is ... that would be great ... but the G1 spec is fine for all practical purposes.

    Styling wise, I like its stark appearance and simplicity. But I prefer to spend my time looking through a camera rather than looking at one. ;-)

    Yes, I do wonder what Leica will present on 090909 ... If they do a version of the GF1, it might be my next Leica, the advantage being primarily Leica service and support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    And I thought I wanted a G11. Plans changed again. If new launches continue to come this frequently, I'll never be able to make up my mind
    You too!

    Well I made up my mind--downpayment already sent

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    Hi,

    This is turning out to be quite an interesting, though very expensive system. Let's see what we have up till now:

    - G(H)1: I have an Olympus E-420 and I find it much too big for ubiquitous photography, so replacing it with either of these is no option. I'm in the market for something smaller. But both cameras look very interesting for people who are looking for something similar to my E-420 setup: a small and very flexible package. Add OIS lenses, HD movies and lots of other goodies and they're quite attractive. G-1 is very affordable, so is the GH-1 if you're into video.

    - E-P1 and GF-1: this is where things become interesting for me. Both are the same size and weight, give or take a mm or a gram somewhere. Both can take 2 nice pancakes. The E-P1 has in-body stabilisation, while the GF-1 focuses much more quickly and possibly more realiably in low light. The E-P1 has a low res display that is very forgiving of the angle you look at it, which is very practical. The GF-1 has a higher res display which is more squinty and flare prone and adds a clip-on EVF which is very low res, just in case you need it. Looks about even to me. The GF-1 also has a tiny flash which is nice if you need it. I don't, so for me, it's a choice between a very interesting camera with IS or a very interesting one without it but with some other niceties.

    - E-P2 ? If this one will have a clip-on EVF and maybe faster AF, it will be more expensive than the E-P2. If it has a built-in EVF, it may be cheaper but its size will put me off again.

    - Leica ? If they should release a µ43 body on 9-9-9, it'll be more expensive than any other body released before.

    Conclusion for me: the small bodies look very interesting and I'm looking forward to trying one out. If they're small and light enough to carry in a belt pouch with a pancake (pref. the 20/f1.7), I might get one. But my main worry is that the system is starting to look really expensive. I paid €650 (IIRC) for my E-420 with its pancake one year ago. With both the Olympus as well as the Panasonic offering, I should expect to add 50%. €900 is a lot of money to me, particularly for a system with just a pancake. I will still need to add a convertor ring for my FourThirds lenses and probably the EVF for the GF-1, then a case and new memory cards, add in a second battery...


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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterLeyssens View Post
    I paid €650 (IIRC) for my E-420 with its pancake one year ago. ... I will still need to add a convertor ring for my FourThirds lenses and probably the EVF for the GF-1, then a case and new memory cards, add in a second battery...
    the thing is that I think its a different system almost completely from the 4/3rds. I view it that way. Certainly micro 4/3rds stuff won't work on the normal 4/3rds stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    I agree. I am still hoping for something with the G1 features, but with a more robust body. I'll wait to see what Leica comes up with next week. Hope it is not just another pimped up Panasonic P&S with a red dot.
    Apparently (according to this thread) the latest rumor/leak calls for Leica's "X1" compact camera to have an APS-C-size sensor, rather than joining the Micro Four Thirds family.

    I'm guessing Samsung NX guts in a Leica-assembled body -- "Solmsung"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    MY question is, will they be able to keep up with supply?
    This translation says initial production will be 15,000 units per month. As 1001 Noisy Cameras says, "good luck getting the camera outside of Japan"...

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    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    the thing is that I think its a different system almost completely from the 4/3rds. I view it that way. Certainly micro 4/3rds stuff won't work on the normal 4/3rds stuff...
    Yes, I know. My plan would be to get rid of the E-420 and to reuse my FourThirds lenses on the new body. I could put those in a bag for when I need it, but carry just the body+pancake everywhere. Getting from standard FourThirds to µ43 does save some money, but the extras needed for the switch to a new system are still there. My main point is still that a simple body+pancake is quite a large purchase.

    If the Leica APC compact rumour is true, that would be another option to think about. Probably also much more expensive. For me, the Ricoh line-up is also worth watching. And of course, µ43 evolutions...

    Very interesting times in photography: now the rush for megapixels is over, the vendors are going back to photography features.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    This translation says initial production will be 15,000 units per month. As 1001 Noisy Cameras says, "good luck getting the camera outside of Japan"...
    LOL--glad I decided to be patient .

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    Yea lot's of fun stuff coming out. Not sure what i want now but I do want something besides my G10 which my daughter has her eye on and I can be sandbagged pretty easily from her to give it up. But what about Dad. LOL

    I will wait it out a couple more weeks. Like to have something new for the Oregon workshop to play with. Of course Terry has about 20 different 4/3rds camera now and she is coming to Oregon. may have to have a 4/3rds shoot off. LOL
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    Of course Terry has about 20 different 4/3rds camera now and she is coming to Oregon. may have to have a 4/3rds shoot off. LOL
    Hey, I have a "Queen of the Gear Whores" reputation to uphold

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    Careful I may just put that in your signature . LOL
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    Re: GF-1 specs announced...

    I was reading through the GF1 specs and saw this list on DPReview of 43rds AF lens supported. I'm a little bummed that the Oly 9-18mm, 14-54mm swd and the 70-300mm aren't on the list. Especially the 9-18mm - DANG!

    • Micro Four Thirds mount lenses
    • Four Thirds mount lenses via adapter (DMW-MA1PP)
    Autofocus only available with:
    - Olympus Zuiko 25 F2.8 'Pancake'
    - Olympus Zuiko Digital ED 14-42mm F3.5-5.6
    - Olympus Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm F4-5.6
    - Panasonic Leica D Summilux 25mm F1.4 ASPH
    - Panasonic Leica D Vario-Elmar 14-50mm F3.8-5.6 ASPH. Mega OIS
    - Panasonic Leica D Vario-Elmar 14-150mm F3.5-5.6 ASPH. Mega OIS

    Hopefully it's an oversight.... Scroll down to the lens on this link.
    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0909/09...onicdmcgf1.asp

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    Re: GF-1 specs announced...

    now there's a Leica R lens adapter for it listed on their site.

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    Re: GF-1 specs announced...

    Here is the lens list from the Panasonic site....I think you are OK with the 9-18

    http://panasonic.jp/support/global/c...onnect/g1.html


    Quote Originally Posted by slosync View Post
    I was reading through the GF1 specs and saw this list on DPReview of 43rds AF lens supported. I'm a little bummed that the Oly 9-18mm, 14-54mm swd and the 70-300mm aren't on the list. Especially the 9-18mm - DANG!

    • Micro Four Thirds mount lenses
    • Four Thirds mount lenses via adapter (DMW-MA1PP)
    Autofocus only available with:
    - Olympus Zuiko 25 F2.8 'Pancake'
    - Olympus Zuiko Digital ED 14-42mm F3.5-5.6
    - Olympus Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm F4-5.6
    - Panasonic Leica D Summilux 25mm F1.4 ASPH
    - Panasonic Leica D Vario-Elmar 14-50mm F3.8-5.6 ASPH. Mega OIS
    - Panasonic Leica D Vario-Elmar 14-150mm F3.5-5.6 ASPH. Mega OIS

    Hopefully it's an oversight.... Scroll down to the lens on this link.
    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0909/09...onicdmcgf1.asp

    Don

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