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    Testing the G1. Tips?

    I just got a Pana G1 test unit that I will keep for a few days and I was hoping for some quick advice on how to maximize it's potential so that I can get everything I may out of it. One doubt that I have straight away is how to use manual lenses with it. I've put a pentax 50mm on it via adapter and the camera told me to check if the lens was well locked or something like that.

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    Re: Testing the G1. Tips?

    rafa

    dont have a g1 .. but do recall people saying that you have to set a menu to say 'don't confirm lens' or something when you are using manual lenses

    cheers

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    Re: Testing the G1. Tips?

    First up you need to go into the menus and the one with a C and a wrench (for custom setup). The last option on the last page you need to set "shoot without lens" to "on".

    This will allow you to use whatever lenses you want. No need to set it back to off. The camera knows what to do. To manually focus the lens, go to MF and then you are in manual focus. If you hit the left arrow key you can move the focus point around. then when you hit the center (menu/set) you will have an enlarged view of the focus area to fine tune your focus.

    Do you have the manual with the camera. At the beginning this will be useful.

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    Re: Manual Lenses

    Press the Menu button and on the left there are several icons, go down to the second one (it's a C with a spanner) called the Custom Menu look for "Shoot W/O Lens" which is at the very end on "page" 5. Click it to "On". You can then forget about it because it won't affect the kit lenses, but it must be on for the camera to accept third party lenses such as your Pentax.
    For manual focus assist press the left arrow then the Menu button in quick succession, it's clumsy at first but then you almost roll your thumb across the two buttons without hardly thinking about it. Remember to open up the diaphragm for precise focussing and then stop down to whatever you're using, otherwise you're focussing "stopped down" and apart from a darker viewfinder it's not going to be that exact.

    Terry beat me to it. Naturally, she says "wrench" where I say "spanner" but you get the idea!
    Last edited by m3photo; 5th September 2009 at 14:20. Reason: Pipped at the post.

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    Re: Testing the G1. Tips?

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    ...To manually focus the lens, go to MF and then you are in manual focus. If you hit the left arrow key you can move the focus point around. then when you hit the center (menu/set) you will have an enlarged view of the focus area to fine tune your focus.

    Do you have the manual with the camera. At the beginning this will be useful.
    Am I correct in assuming that for manual focus legacy lenses, it doesn't matter whether the Focus Mode Dial is set to AF-S, AF-C, or M? I use Leica M-mount and Pen F lenses almost exclusively with my G1 and can't see that the Focus Mode Dial setting makes any difference with these lenses. I've always thought that its main purpose is to allow one to manually focus the AF Panasonic and Olympus lenses.

    Also, a PDF of the manual can be downloaded from this link. Just enter "DMCG1K" into the Enter Model Number field and click the Search button.

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    Re: Testing the G1. Tips?

    Hey Jonathan - my bad. I haven't put a MF lens on the G1 in a while.

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    Re: Testing the G1. Tips?

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Hey Jonathan - my bad. I haven't put a MF lens on the G1 in a while.
    Terry, I wasn't suggesting any "badness" on your part. I was more wondering whether -- as a newbie G1 user -- I'd missed something, given that I haven't put an AF lens on my G1 in a while.

    Well, that's not strictly true. I did use the 14-45 kit zoom in order to figure out the G1's menus and controls when I first got the camera. And I put it back on again briefly a couple of weeks ago then immediately realized how much I hated it. In fact, in the forty years since I first started photographing, I can't recall a lens I've disliked more than the Panny 14-45.

    I do have very high hopes for the 20/1.7 and the 45/2.8 though. And perhaps the 14/2.8 that's on the roadmap. Those three lenses might persuade me to spend some of my time in AF-land. But not all of it.

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    Re: Testing the G1. Tips?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon Delacour View Post
    Am I correct in assuming that for manual focus legacy lenses, it doesn't matter whether the Focus Mode Dial is set to AF-S, AF-C, or M? I use Leica M-mount and Pen F lenses almost exclusively with my G1 and can't see that the Focus Mode Dial setting makes any difference with these lenses. I've always thought that its main purpose is to allow one to manually focus the AF Panasonic and Olympus lenses.
    if the focus mode isn't set to MF, you can't invoke the manual focus assist with legacy lenses by
    hitting the left arrow, then the center button.

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    Actually, the focus mode can be set to any setting if there is a legacy lens on the camera. Pressing left arrow, then center button will activate the focus assist.

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    Re: Testing the G1. Tips?

    Quote Originally Posted by lcubed View Post
    if the focus mode isn't set to MF, you can't invoke the manual focus assist with legacy lenses by
    hitting the left arrow, then the center button.
    Well, on my G1 -- with Pen F, Leica M, or Nikon F lenses mounted -- manual focus assist can be invoked ("by hitting the left arrow, then the center button") no matter what option is selected on the Focus Mode Dial.

    I suspect what you mean is what I said in my earlier comment, that the MF setting on the mode dial is used to enable manual focus for AF lenses. In which case, it can be invoked either via the left cursor button or by rotating the focusing ring on the lens.

    Ah, monza got there first.

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    Re: Testing the G1. Tips?

    Thanks guys. 2 more questions.
    1 - How go I get the LCD monitor to display exactly what the photo will be like? At the moment I can adjust iso, shutter and the image on the LCD is always the same.
    2 - How can I make the light meeter be "always live". At the moment I only get readings when I half press the shutter button, but I want the light meeter to be constantly updating the reading as I move the camera or adjust the settings.

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    Re: Testing the G1. Tips?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    Thanks guys. 2 more questions.
    1 - How go I get the LCD monitor to display exactly what the photo will be like? At the moment I can adjust iso, shutter and the image on the LCD is always the same.
    2 - How can I make the light meeter be "always live". At the moment I only get readings when I half press the shutter button, but I want the light meeter to be constantly updating the reading as I move the camera or adjust the settings.
    1. The screen will gain up so that isn't what you need to rely on. You really need to turn on and use the histogram. But also get yourself familiar with the white vs. yellow histogram. When it is white the camera is capturing what you see but when you dial in EV etc the histo will turn yellow. A bit of reading up on this will be useful to you. While you may think it silly that the screen gains up, in some low light situations you will be happy.

    2. It isn't always live like you said. I don't know any cameras that are or you would be eating batteries and your camera would go nuts as you carried it around pointed it in all different directions.

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    So, there's no way to use the LCD like you do when you're shooting with a compact? A "what you see is what you get" type of deal? With such an amazing LCD like this there has to be a way to set it to work like this. Since this is trial unit I don't have a the manual but I'm going to look for a PDF around to see if it is possible to get it to work like this.

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    Re: Testing the G1. Tips?

    The pdf link is above in this thread.

    I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Yes you can use the LCD like you do when using a compact. The scene as a whole will be what you see is what you get. The LCD is not going to alter the shadow vs highlight area although the LCD will keep the scene brighter so you can see on the LCD what's going on. Can you better describe the issue you are having?

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    What I mean is that with the E-P1 you can select if you want the camera's lcd to be always bright so you know what's going on or if you want the light to be "exactly" like it is (if you point the camera to a dark place it will show you dark, if you move it from that place to a lighter place it will show you lighter). So far with the G1 the lcd is always bright no matter where I point it. I went over the PDF and I could not find anything, but I’m sure there has to be a setting to change this. Does anyone know?

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    I think I've got it. Could it be this?:

    "[LCD MODE]
    These menu settings make it easier to see the LCD monitor when
    you are in bright places.
    [OFF]
    „ [AUTO POWER LCD]:
    The brightness is adjusted automatically depending on how bright
    it is around the camera.
    … [POWER LCD]:
    The LCD monitor becomes

    • The brightness of the pictures displayed on the LCD monitor is increased so some subjects
    may appear differently from actuality on the LCD monitor. However, this does not affect the
    recorded pictures.
    • The LCD monitor automatically returns to normal brightness after 30 seconds when recording
    in Power LCD mode. Press any button to make the LCD monitor bright again.
    • If the screen is difficult to see because of light from the sun etc. shining on it, use your hand or
    another object to block the light.
    • The number of recordable pictures decreases in Auto power LCD and Power LCD modes.
    "

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    Nope...tried it over lunch and this is not it. I'll try to film the G1's LCD with the E-P1 to show you.

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    Re: Testing the G1. Tips?

    why not just take some photos with it?

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    Re: Testing the G1. Tips?

    What was this thread about, Rafa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    What was this thread about, Rafa?
    It was about love but it's quickly turning into hate. Hahaha just kidding, fellas. It's always love with me.

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    Re: Testing the G1. Tips?

    I'm giving the camera back after the trial. Nice camera. Better than the E-P1 in many ways. That being said I'm afraid I've picked my place among those who feel that at the moment micro 4/3 cannot really match a good DSLR. I like the concept and I fell it has lots of nice qualities but for me the IQ is closer to that of a REALLY good compact than of a good DSLR without really delivering the best from both worlds.

    I'm yet to see a micro 4/3 camera that can deliver images like this:











    Bare in mind these are simply jpeg files from the D90 quickly treated on PS.

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    yehh...Looks like photoshop'd magic... don't see much lens signature left in those pics...hardly supporting evidence of optical or sensor quality... just saying...

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    I knew people were going to says this. There's no magic. All I did on PS was enhance the contrast and that's it. Which is WAY less than the "magic" I use to treat micro 4/3 images. BTW, I'm not here to convince anyone that my opinion is right or to be convinced. Thank God for diversity. I'm still a huge supporter of the format and what it represents...it's just not for me NOW (who knows what tomorrow will say).

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    yehh...irony is wasted on children...



    G1... switar 26mm... 4000 @ 2.8
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    That looks very good but it doesn't look like the same at all. To my eyes (again, it's a personal opinion) DSLRs have a way more organic film like feel to it. With micro 4/3 SOMETIMES you can come close using DOF, but in a wide open shots it's really visible. Again, I'm not saying it's bad. It's just not for me.

    But never mind. I absolutely hate these types of discussions, how long they can go on for, and how stressful they are. Lets just say you (and A LOT of other people) feel one way about micro 4/3 and I (and A LOT of other people) feel a different way.
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    [email protected] as what...are you smoking?



    * eye suggest sum johnny [email protected] bLack labeL...



    this is t' worLd wide web...3 mega pixxies cover t screen...your looking at Light images... not reflected images...

    I feeL your pain...*


    * Your right, Rawfa, they are not the same...My Bokeh's better than yours...hehehe...
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    No, my friend, I feel YOUR pain for having such a strong necessity of proving your self over something so pathetically trivial. So here's another personal opinion for you: if silly stuff like this makes you go off like this I really think you should start spending less money on photo equipment and more money on therapy. You have some serious issues. The next thing you know you’ll be pressing a gun to people’s heads on a bakery because they don’t like the same type of bread as you. Did you shoot that horse to death after you've photographed it?

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    I was thinking of buying a new camera bag...



    I don't nO if this one is big enough, though...

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    Re: Testing the G1. Tips?

    I think I have gone through many of your posts on this subject (ie m4/3rds image quality for display screens), to say this, Rafa.

    A few of my observations (also based on my own experience):

    1. Post processing does matter very much to get the best quality images from a G1 file. The as supplied routines (SilkyPix, for example) suck.

    2. Without any "special" lenses, this format is pretty much dead.

    3. Those who aren't used to (or do not want to get used) the revolutionary live view (Swivel TFT and EVF) feature will not appreciate the advantage of the G1.

    BTW, I was quite surprised that YBH took to the G1 so strongly. AFAIK, he has slew of the most expensive Leica lenses that are out there and uses them for their strengths.

    Some of YBH's horse photos can easily hang in major galleries.

    It is one thing to talk about the likes and the dislikes of a piece of gear or a format but IMHO, it is better not to get personal on a photographer's abilities and such when you are faced with a contradictory opinion.

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    I'm not taking sides here, but this is too funny not to comment on!

    Quote Originally Posted by Y.B.Hudson III View Post
    yehh...irony is wasted on children...



    G1... switar 26mm... 4000 @ 2.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    I'm yet to see a micro 4/3 camera that can deliver images like this:

    .... see photos above ...

    Bare in mind these are simply jpeg files from the D90 quickly treated on PS.
    It appears to me that the dslr photos presented above suffer from crushed blacks/shadows, some lens flare and very nervous bokeh. They may not be the best candidates to prove a D90 over a G1.

    Not that they aren't enjoyable photos, just don't impress me as technically superior.

    Thanks for posting them.

    I have a lowly D50 with the 18-70 Nikkor that is fun but I haven't touched it since I received my G1 with 14-45.

    After my first evaluative comparisons I've left the Nikon in the closet.

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