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    I seem to be ploughing a mostly lonely furrow here!
    Elderly Dennis fire engine rear view (in Swindon's Steam Museum). M7, 35mm Summaron f2.8, Portra 400.

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    I haven't shot and scanned film for ages, but ran across a scene I shot in Poznan, Poland in 1979


    Leica M2 + Elmar 5 cm f3.5, Agfachrome 50S

    There's still 6 frames on the last film in my M2, maybe I should go out and take some shots and see what the whole film brings, can't remember what other images would be on there
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    There's still 6 frames on the last film in my M2, maybe I should go out and take some shots and see what the whole film brings, can't remember what other images would be on there
    Here's my personal, totally unqualified opinion: yes, you should do that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Here's my personal, totally unqualified opinion: yes, you should do that
    I'll do that Jorgen, good advice. While looking up the camera I also found a roll of exposed FP4 and I figured there's HP5 in the camera, judging by the ISO setting on the "rose" (back dial) and my Gossen light meter setting, which were all stored in the same bag. So plenty of surprises looming when I find the time to take the final shots and develop the two films.

    Here's two more shots, I hope it doesn't matter that the first is with a IIIf (one of the M39 predecessors of the M-series Leica's)

    Ffestiniog railway (Wales, 1973):

    IIIf + Elmar 50/3.5, Ilford FP4


    Street musicians in Poznan (Poland, 1979)

    M2 + Elmar 90/4, Agfachrome 50S
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    This was said to be "the second most photographed site in Nova Scotia" after Peggy's Cove lighthouse. I have no idea how one would justify such an unquantifiable statement but there you are. One thing's for sure, it can't be true anymore, as the house collapsed a year after this was taken, which was in 2013.
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    ....... While looking up the camera I also found a roll of exposed FP4 and I figured there's HP5 in the camera, judging by the ISO setting on the "rose" (back dial) and my Gossen light meter setting, which were all stored in the same bag. So plenty of surprises looming when I find the time to take the final shots and develop the two films.
    Well, good news and bad news.
    I started with developing the HP5 from the camera (after taking some shots in the neighbourhood). It came back totally blank, also no frame numbers/film type around the perforation and no black part at the start of the roll. I used Ilfolsol 3 developer I got some time ago (and used some then). It was slightly darker than normal, but I remembered that the same happened to my bottles of Rodinal in the past so I wasn't too worried. Well, I guess that was wrong and the developer was wasted. I'll never know what was on the first ~ 25 exposures of that roll . Given I didn't care to develop it for about 6 years I think I didn't lose any masterpieces

    So off to the shop and bought some ID11 and developed the FP4. After that scanned the roll on an Epson V700. Here's a shot from Fort Oelegem in the winter, more to be posted later. Thinking back this was probably exposed somewhere feb/march 2013, so storing it 6 1/2 years as "latent images" worked out OK in the end.



    Didn't note the lens or aperture down, but it's probably the Summaron 35/2.8 at f4 or f5.6. For sure it was taken with my M2


    I also bought some more film and am planning a little film project to capture the pre-WW1 Forts and casemates around Antwerp. Wiki article on the two defense rings around Antwerp. There's the inner ring (end 19th century) of brick forts as well as the outer ring (early 20th century) of concrete forts. Seems a suitable subject to brush up my film developing and processing skills
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    Regarding Ilfosol 3, I fell foul of the same problem some years ago. It was not long after I had 'gone back to film' and unearthed all my darkroom kit from the loft. After settling on Ilfosol 3 as my new 'go to' developer, I left the country for a couple of months. By the time I returned and had the opportunity to re-start developing, the Ilfosol was about 3 1/2months old and yes, was slightly dark but I figured it would be OK. Wrong! The results were as Pieter described - completely blank. Given that I do go some three to four months between dev sessions, since then I have relied entirely on Rodinal.
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    Sturdy suspension. M7, 35mm Summaron f2.8, Porta 400 converted to b&w.

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    Here's two more from the film that was exposed 6 1/2 years ago and developed this week

    1: Castle of 's Gravenwezel

    Leica M2 + Elmarit 90/2.8


    2: Primary school "De Tuimelaar" (The Tumbler) in Schoten

    Leica M2 + Summicron 50/2 DR


    And two from a new film, shot a few days ago

    3: Fort Oelegem entry bridge and gate

    Leica M2 + Elmar 90/4


    4: A WW2 bunker in the woods nearby, added to pre WW1 fortifications by the Germans around 1942

    Leica M2 + Summaron 35/2.8

    All FP4plus, developed in ID11, scanned with an Epson V700 and further processed in Lightroom
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    One from my bicycle ride yesterday, developed yesterday evening and scanned today

    Another pre WW1 bunker, hidden in the woods

    Leica M2, Summicron 50/2 DR, f8, 1/100

    HP5plus, developed in ID11, scanned with an Epson V700 as 16 bit monochrome and further processed in Lightroom

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    The film bug really got me
    And there is no antidote!
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    And there is no antidote!
    Fortunately not. It's nice going out and limiting yourself to 36 shots which asks for better planning than a big memory card (I just go out to shoot one roll, no spare with me). Then no possibility for chimping but replaced by the excitement and first impression when the film comes from the tank and is hung to dry. And finally scanning to see how the details and sharpness look. And for sure the M2 is still a great camera and my lenses still operate very smooth, so the shooting itself is nice as well.

    Somehow I'm not missing the darkroom printing, sitting in a dark smelly room all day to produce a handful of prints is now converted to a digital workflow after the film is developed, which does wonders for the speed as well as consistency of the end result (I never really mastered darkroom printing well)

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    Another experiment that would have been very hard to pull off in a printing darkroom, a pano of two handheld shots

    De schans van Schilde, built in 1905, partly blown up by the commander on oktober 9, 1914 when the Germans came too close with their "Fat Bertha" 42 cm mortar.
    Left "as is" for 105 years now


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    Someone could not wait... M7, 35mm Summaron f2.8, Portra 400.

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    Someone could not wait... M7, 35mm Summaron f2.8, Portra 400.
    Looks like the holes in the window are only big enough to pull some minced meat through

    Question: how do you process your porta 400? Do you develop it yourself or do you bring it to a lab? Do they print or scan it for you, or do you scan it yourself (from prints or negatives)? I'm currently only doing B&W, but if there is a managable workflow I'd be willing to try some colour film as well.

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    Pieter, with colour films (C41 & E6) I send them to a lab for 'dev only'. When I have received the negs or transparencies, I scan them on my Epson V700. Post-processing is in LR CC. So really, very little difference at all between b&w and colour in terms of PP'ing.
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    Thanks Keith, I still have some colour negatives somewhere from my old film days, never tried scanning any of them on my V700. Given the coloured base I always assumed getting the colours right would be a nightmare (like colour printing in the darkroom). You make it sound relatively easy, so I just need to try how it works and see for myself.
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    I have recently been using Negative Lab Pro plugin for Lightroom and like it for both B&W and color negatives scanned from my camera/lightbox or scanner.
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    Thanks Keith, I still have some colour negatives somewhere from my old film days, never tried scanning any of them on my V700. Given the coloured base I always assumed getting the colours right would be a nightmare (like colour printing in the darkroom). You make it sound relatively easy, so I just need to try how it works and see for myself.
    Good film scanning software has a setting for each film type. I believe that's what takes care of the coloured base. I use Silverfast 8 (came with my Plustek 35mm scanner), and I'm quite happy with that.

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    Good film scanning software has a setting for each film type. I believe that's what takes care of the coloured base. I use Silverfast 8 (came with my Plustek 35mm scanner), and I'm quite happy with that.
    I use both Silverfast 8 and VueScan. When I use Silverfast for colornegs, I try different colorfilm settings and try to get the most neutral colors from start because correcting crossed color curves in post is almost impossible. This means that for Kodak colornegs I play around with the different Kodak profiles until the colors are mostly neutral and I don't do any color tweaking at this stage other than selecting different color profiles and watching neutral gray. However, I strongly recommend trying different film types in Negafix AND trying out the different basic options before starting a scan of the whole film. That's pretty much a good starting point for the film being scanned and after testing I stick to that.

    VueScan doesn't have the likes of color negative profiles/curves so there I am using the Color Tab and use settings like Color balance Neutral or Auto Levels. I also use the color tab for best exposure/contrast. In my opinion Vuescan is faster to use and gives somewhat better results with color negative film. Slide film is IMO a real PITA and to get neutral colors I have to manually adjust colors in Silverfast and in post in Lightroom. For slide film I use Silverfast because of the extensive color editing features.
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    Looking up at Corfe Castle. M7, 50mm Summilux-M ASPH, yellow filter, Tri-X.

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    Look who's lurking in the bushes


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    It's a shot I took in our garden in 1994 or 1995 when we lived in League City (Texas). I developed the film then but never printed or scanned it until today. Can't remember which lens I shot it with but I do remember trying to focus with a rangefinder on the eye of this creature was very difficult and inconsistent. This is about the best I got out of a total of more than 10 (mostly out of focus) shots.
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    Two more from the same film, from a visit to the Mesa Verde cliff dwellings in 1994. The only two B&W pictures I took that vacation, all others were colour slides with an OM2 or colour negatives with my wife's OM10.

    Overview while walking the trail down



    Inside the settlement, the entrance to a kiva on the left


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    In the kitchen - Avebury Manor (National Trust). M7, 50mm C-Sonnar f1.5, Acros100.

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    I scanned and processed this image for other reasons, but that shouldn't stop me from posting it here I think.

    From our visit to the Grand Canyon north rim in 1982 at sunrise. The camera is an M2 but I forgot which lens, but I had a Summaron 35/2.8, Elmar 50/3.5 and Elmar 90/4 with me.



    Film was FP4, probably pushed 1 or 2 stops in development (looking at the grain)
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    I'm very slowly working on a project to document the remains of the pre-WW1 fortifications around Antwerp on B&W film. I'm probably less than 5% done, but it gives me a fun challenge to use film in a way that has some purpose to keep me going.

    For daylight I mainly use my Leica M2 (with 35, 50 and 90 mm lenses) and inside with a Minolta 505si (with 20, 24 and 35 mm lenses). I've now pretty much standarised on mildly pushed FP4 for outside and either pushed HP5 (to iso 1600) or Delta 3200 for inside.

    Here's an early result with the M2, a Summaron 35/2.8 @ f5.6 and FP4 pushed to 200 iso in Fort Ertbrand

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    Fallen giant. M7, 35mm Summaron f2.8, Acros 100, Ilfasol 3.

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    River Avon in spate. M7, 75mm Summarit f2.5, Acros 100, Ilfosol 3.

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    After a pause of a few month (due to other activities, mostly good) I picked up my project on the pre WW1 defense systems that are still scattered in the area where I live. Most of them are located along the "anti-tank canal" which also meant they were largely overgrown, since that's now mainly a recreational forest. However as part of the forest maintenance they are clearing all the bushes and 90% of the trees on the banks of the canal. That gives some fresh viewpoints I've never seen before in the 22 years I now live here. Here's two from saturday. It's actually the same bunker, as seen from different sides of the canal.







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    For illustration, this is how the same bunker looked last summer.



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    That's all not too far from Operation: Market Garden. Must be a fascinating area you live in. Different war, of course.

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    Operation Market garden is located about 1,5 hours drive by car to the north-east from here. But at the time Belgium and the south of the Netherlands were already liberated.

    The forts, redoubts and bunkers that I live close to (all within a 1 hour bicycle ride) are indeed from the previous war, or actually before. The were built in the very early 1900's and never played a key role then. The Germans just developed their "Fat Bertha" gun which pierced the concrete of all these installations easily so the Belgian army surrendered quickly in November 1914 and the whole idea to defend the harbour of Antwerp this way fell apart. What I find amazing is that about 80% of all these installations is still there after now more than 105 years after the start of WW1
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    I've been busy scanning film! Both photos from 1998, taken with either M6 or M3 and probably 35 Summicron.
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