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    One man's photoshop is another person's dodge & burn

    I ran across this recently and had a sense of deja vu. Today we process images in photoshop but anyone stating that their iconic film images are more 'natural' or 'real' should read this as a reminder that the straight print has never really existed.

    http://petapixel.com/2013/09/12/mark...ited-darkroom/
    http://theliteratelens.com/2012/02/1...room-printing/
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    Re: One man's photoshop is another person's dodge & burn

    Thanks, Graham!

    I always loved the contact prints of Clearing Winter Storm and Moonrise Hernandez. They are hugely different from the famous images.

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    Re: One man's photoshop is another person's dodge & burn

    You mean that what we think as just being possible with Photoshop is not actually true? For example, the 1857 (no typo) photograph The Two Ways of Life by Oscar Gustave Rejlander that is a combination of 32 separate glass plates. Or how 19th century photographers collected cloud pictures so they could burn them into their landscapes. And retouching negatives was common. Let not forget airbrushing prints--does anyone really think fashion photography in the past was more honest?

    But that is the problem with history--it was so long ago.
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    Re: One man's photoshop is another person's dodge & burn

    say it isn't so ... My illusions have been shattered further!!
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    The illusion goes much further than Photoshop with a new generation of photographers. Many believe that the image quality they are looking for should come directly out of the digital camera and match the classic prints, based on the same assumption that before Photoshop no manipulation was possible. Hence so much agonising over tone and colour balance and if this camera can't do it then buy another camera. I shudder every time I hear 'I only adjust contrast and brightness' made as a boast.

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    Re: One man's photoshop is another person's dodge & burn

    Egan!
    You mean black and white is illusory?

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    Re: One man's photoshop is another person's dodge & burn

    Undo is the big differentiator.
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    Re: One man's photoshop is another person's dodge & burn

    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    Undo is the big differentiator.
    Back in the film only days instead of Undo we had Do Over.

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    Re: One man's photoshop is another person's dodge & burn

    Quote Originally Posted by GaryAyala View Post
    Back in the film only days instead of Undo we had Do Over.
    At the print stage maybe, but if you messed up the developing or damaged the neg it was 'now what the heck do I do?'
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    Re: One man's photoshop is another person's dodge & burn

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    At the print stage maybe, but if you messed up the developing or damaged the beg it was 'now what the heck do I do?'
    That is what reducers and intensifiers were for. Certainly airbrushing could add and subtract lots of stuff. If you really were having problems, you could hire a stripper. You could do all kinds of stuff then...

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    Re: One man's photoshop is another person's dodge & burn

    I've hired a few strippers when I was younger. And yep ... all kinds of stuff.
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    Re: One man's photoshop is another person's dodge & burn

    Quote Originally Posted by GaryAyala View Post
    I've hired a few strippers when I was younger. And yep ... all kinds of stuff.
    Hey, I was a stripper. It is amazing what you can do with lith film.

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    Re: One man's photoshop is another person's dodge & burn

    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Hey, I was a stripper.
    Me too - it's amazing what you can get away with at an institution for the blind (you wouldn't want to see that!!)

    On a serious note, I'm always in awe of what people manage to do with analog film materials, be it spotting or reconstruction, multiple exposure blending plus obviously creative performance art when dodging & burning. I collect Christopher Burkett prints and his cibachromes are the result of multiple correcting contrast and colour masks that put photoshop layer techniques to shame in terms of how simple our life is today digitally.
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    Re: One man's photoshop is another person's dodge & burn

    Jerry Uelsmann. And I understand he is still doing his work in the darkroom.

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